UN appeals for billions in aid in face of ‘worst humanitarian crisis since WWII’

[mettech]

Taking side in a war that is not ours to  fight is a way to sell all of the old war ammo stock pile and promote work at home for making new one in the mean time all of this Nato and UN is a waste of money and time to listen to them.

[craigt3365]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Do even know who are the many groups fighting in Aleppo and their tribal / political / Imam allegiances. Provided below is a link that is likely out of date as alliances are constantly shifting, but let us know which ones are actively being controlled by the US, with creditable references.

 

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=us+supported+rebels+fighting+aleppo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=_WRGWLCoN8Xu8wfg2qmIDg#q=battle+of+aleppo+combatants

 

He definitely doesn't understand the situation.  Or is getting info off the wrong websites.  Probably RT! LOL

[craigt3365]

2 hours ago, Jblood said:

Since Kerry is conducting the negotiations you should direct that question to him. I would assume most of them US controls, otherwise what's the point of the negotiation?

Kerry isn't in charge.  Nor is Lavrov.  Guaranteed Putin is calling the shots.  With Kerry, it's more than one person.

[craigt3365]

3 hours ago, elgordo38 said:

Has the US brought their UN dues up to date as of now. 

I guess so.

http://www.un.org/en/ga/about/art19.shtml

[Morch]

11 hours ago, ezzra said:

The UN have been rising billions of donations for years now, and nothing seems to have changed for the better, there're still hundreds of millions of desuetude people in the world the problem is that the UN itself has become a joke and irrelevant while their people lives in fancy opulent offices and hoses and drawing mega salaries... And every time I fly from BKK to OZ the crew is going around collecting small change "for the children " with no accountability as to where the money goes to....

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Since soldiers are young and inexperienced they don't need much sending. Albert Einstein once said you don't need brains to be a soldier, just a strong backbone for marching. If every country was populated by 50 year old's you couldn't have a war, they aren't that stupid.

Which is why the mandatory retirement age for junior ranks is 45 in my country. Don't want the sheeple refusing to fight.

The age for senior officers is higher as they stay miles and miles behind the line while sending young men to their death.

 

As for the OP, not one more cent while the politicians stay in that obscene building in New York, talking and talking and talking and never changing anything.

Devolve everything down to the local level.

[gemini81]

7 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

US arms sales are going down while Russia and Europe's are rising:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/05/news/economy/arms-sales-russia-u-s-/index.html

 

 

They are still by far the largest international arms dealer, and have been for years.- doesn't change the fact.

[craigt3365]

26 minutes ago, gemini81 said:

They are still by far the largest international arms dealer, and have been for years.- doesn't change the fact.

Actually, the post was in reply to a post with inaccurate information. It had to do with exports.

[elgordo38]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Although it's off topic, think you will find US is negotiating with Russia, not the myriad factions, to facilitate safe passage for 'rebel' withdrawal to facilitate humanitarian support for civilians, though unlikely to succeed with a lasting solution.  In Syria currently US is primary focused on supporting Kurdish fighting groups and some other minorities to retake Raqqa.

Why don't all parties just abandon the place there is not much left to fight over. Bulldoze her down and the Americans can borrow money and rebuild the place problem solved. 

[elgordo38]

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

I guess so.

http://www.un.org/en/ga/about/art19.shtml

Great to hear give them a blank check to fill out for their contribution. No peaking now. 

[Jblood]

" Makes no sense if one sees it all through Russian propaganda goggles. The US got leverage with some factions, not all. Nothing by way to total control. If a ceasefire and safe evacuation routes are agreed upon there are quite a few ways of conveying the message to the local populace - it's only difficult to grasp if one really tries not to. "

 

Whatever Kerry and his gang did before the last ceasefire worked really damn well for putting the ceasefire in place inititally. Who are you trying to fool here? If they can exercise such high level of control over all of the factions which has already been demonstrated that US does, it's pretty obvious that US is a bit more than just sleeping in bed with all those factions. And I repeat ALL of them. Maybe you need goggles, but it's actually just elementary logic.

[gemini81]

58 minutes ago, Jblood said:

" Makes no sense if one sees it all through Russian propaganda goggles. The US got leverage with some factions, not all. Nothing by way to total control. If a ceasefire and safe evacuation routes are agreed upon there are quite a few ways of conveying the message to the local populace - it's only difficult to grasp if one really tries not to. "

 

Whatever Kerry and his gang did before the last ceasefire worked really damn well for putting the ceasefire in place inititally. Who are you trying to fool here? If they can exercise such high level of control over all of the factions which has already been demonstrated that US does, it's pretty obvious that US is a bit more than just sleeping in bed with all those factions. And I repeat ALL of them. Maybe you need goggles, but it's actually just elementary logic.

That is for sure- when you follow the money, arms, supplies, training, cables, leaks- and history.

[simple1]

 

All a so what as Russia and China have vetoed a ceasefire with the obvious outcome of further tens of thousand of IDP's and refugees.

 

Based on their record very much doubt China & Russia will contribute any additional funds for UNHCR. In 2016 Russia contributed $2.8 million and China $2 million, in other words peanuts for humanitarian relief

 

http://www.unhcr.org/575e74567.html

[craigt3365]

8 hours ago, Jblood said:

" Makes no sense if one sees it all through Russian propaganda goggles. The US got leverage with some factions, not all. Nothing by way to total control. If a ceasefire and safe evacuation routes are agreed upon there are quite a few ways of conveying the message to the local populace - it's only difficult to grasp if one really tries not to. "

 

Whatever Kerry and his gang did before the last ceasefire worked really damn well for putting the ceasefire in place inititally. Who are you trying to fool here? If they can exercise such high level of control over all of the factions which has already been demonstrated that US does, it's pretty obvious that US is a bit more than just sleeping in bed with all those factions. And I repeat ALL of them. Maybe you need goggles, but it's actually just elementary logic.

The US does have "some" leverage with "some" factions.  There are many, as you well know.  Nobody is in total control.

 

Ceasefires have been declared in the past, and didn't work.  Kinda hard to deliver aid when their convoys are attacked.  By either Russian or Syrian planes.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-idUSKCN11P146
 

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Kerry called on Moscow to halt Syrian government airstrikes, including on aid convoys, and indicated that the United States had not received official word from Russia that the ceasefire deal was dead.

 

"The Russians made the agreement. So we need to see what the Russians say," Kerry said before meeting Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef in New York. "But the point – the important thing is the Russians need to control Assad, who evidently is indiscriminately bombing, including of humanitarian convoys."

 

 

Kerry is not in control.  Putin controls Assad.  And these two groups are the ones causing the most damage.  It's for sure not ISIS. 

[liberty9133]

https://www.ft.com/content/7014f288-ba08-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080

 

[craigt3365]

7 hours ago, gemini81 said:

That is for sure- when you follow the money, arms, supplies, training, cables, leaks- and history.

Spot on!  Who's making the most money here?  You hit the nail on the head.  It's all about money.  And all about Russia.  Desperately needed cash for their economy.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37507207

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Syria war: How Moscow’s bombing campaign has paid off for Putin

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/syria-war-showroom-russian-arms-sales-160406135130398.html

 

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Syria's war: A showroom for Russian arms sales

Moscow's arms exports hit a record $14.5bn in 2015 with orders surging to $56bn, according to President Putin.

 

 

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, liberty9133 said:

https://www.ft.com/content/7014f288-ba08-11e6-8b45-b8b81dd5d080

 

Can't get to that article, but here's the title:

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UN under fire over response to Nigeria humanitarian crisisFinancial TimesEuropean aid officials have lashed out at the UN's handling of the humanitarian crisis in north-east Nigeria as a growing number of agencies warn of an impending famine there.

 

[soalbundy]

18 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Can't get to that article, but here's the title:

 

let them eat scam

[Morch]

15 hours ago, Jblood said:

" Makes no sense if one sees it all through Russian propaganda goggles. The US got leverage with some factions, not all. Nothing by way to total control. If a ceasefire and safe evacuation routes are agreed upon there are quite a few ways of conveying the message to the local populace - it's only difficult to grasp if one really tries not to. "

 

Whatever Kerry and his gang did before the last ceasefire worked really damn well for putting the ceasefire in place inititally. Who are you trying to fool here? If they can exercise such high level of control over all of the factions which has already been demonstrated that US does, it's pretty obvious that US is a bit more than just sleeping in bed with all those factions. And I repeat ALL of them. Maybe you need goggles, but it's actually just elementary logic.

 

You assume the US got total control over all factions opposing Assad's rule, not supporting this with any shred of evidence. There were more than a few detailed posts and links (some even on this topic, I believe) which attempted to present how things stand with regard to these factions and the relations between themselves and between them and the US. I would be the first to admit that it's complicated to actually follow all the details, changes, twists and nuances concerned. That some choose not to make the effort is not an issue, but not even attempting to get a handle on things and spewing oversimplified,  one-sided and unsupported propaganda bits is not an opinion - just ignorance.

 

Logic got little to do with how things are in Syria.

[gemini81]

15 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Spot on!  Who's making the most money here?  You hit the nail on the head.  It's all about money.  And all about Russia.  Desperately needed cash for their economy.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37507207

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/04/syria-war-showroom-russian-arms-sales-160406135130398.html

 

 

 

All about the US backed terrorists failure to overtake Syria. They have nearly liberated Aleppo. Suck it up buttercup.

[nausea]

Another money making machine.