Having to cancel my expired visa before apply for extension??

[Nokkeaw]

Before I was working for a school in Nontamburi with my Non B and WP. I left in July so after that I went to Vietnam to get a tourist Visa and then I got a job in another school in Bangkok. I changed the tourist visa to Non B and got work permit with my new school and today when I went to extend my Non B the officer in the counter told me I had to go to Nontamburi Inmigration to cancel my previous visa. I was shocked because that visa expired months ago and I already got my new Non B and WP with my new school in Bangkok. It makes no sense to me to go there to cancel something that has already expired.

Is this the normal procedure or I got unlucky? Am I going to have to pay any fee for this non sense? Thanks.

[ubonjoe]

They are correct in a way since you did not cancel your extension of stay (it is not a visa) before leaving the country. The proper procedure is to cancel you extension by submitting a termination letter from you employer.

Where are applying for your new extension at?

Some offices have fined people for an overstay for not doing it which is 500 baht a day up to a max of 20k baht.

[Nokkeaw]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They are correct in a way since you did not cancel your extension of stay (it is not a visa) before leaving the country. The proper procedure is to cancel you extension by submitting a termination letter from you employer.

Where are applying for your new extension at?

Some offices have fined people for an overstay for not doing it which is 500 baht a day up to a max of 20k baht.

I am applying in the Goverment Complex in Bangkok. Oh don't scare me... I didn't over say. I left the country before the visa expired and came back with my tourist visa. I thought leaving the country without a permission of stay was the same as canceling all my visas.

[lopburi3]

The rule is your extension of stay expires on the date your reason for its issue ends - for work that would be the day your job ends/work permit returned.  You are required to visit immigration to cancel that extension of stay - this has been explained in form you sign when the extension is issued for the past several years so that people would not believe they could continue to remain in Thailand.

 

Yes you lost the extension with an exit but you did not formally cancel at immigration as is the requirement for those ending work.  So now you are being asked to do that.  As stated above if you stayed beyond your work ending date you could have to pay fine.

[ubonjoe]

48 minutes ago, Nokkeaw said:

I am applying in the Goverment Complex in Bangkok. Oh don't scare me... I didn't over say. I left the country before the visa expired and came back with my tourist visa. I thought leaving the country without a permission of stay was the same as canceling all my visas.

It seems immigration has gotten tougher on canceling your extension before leaving the country.

I think it is the first report for Bangkok doing it but others have.

Perhaps because to many people  just walk away form their job without notice.

[Nokkeaw]

1 hour ago, lopburi3 said:

The rule is your extension of stay expires on the date your reason for its issue ends - for work that would be the day your job ends/work permit returned.  You are required to visit immigration to cancel that extension of stay - this has been explained in form you sign when the extension is issued for the past several years so that people would not believe they could continue to remain in Thailand.

 

Yes you lost the extension with an exit but you did not formally cancel at immigration as is the requirement for those ending work.  So now you are being asked to do that.  As stated above if you stayed beyond your work ending date you could have to pay fine.

How can they know if I stayed beyond my work ending date? I don't have any termination letter from my last school. There is no proof.

I did leave my job and went back to my country with a re entry permit for my Non B. When I came back in April my extension was saying stay permited until 27 Jul and on the 26th I went to Vietnam. How likely is it that I will be fined?

[lopburi3]

You will likely require that letter to cancel your extension of stay so if you were here on that extension after the letter date of termination a fine would be likely I suspect - especially as this involves two different immigration offices.  But I could well be wrong.  But from above I read you returned using re-entry on old extension and stayed several months?  

 

This not canceling normally is not an issue unless, as you have done, you want to work here again.  Although some exit points have stopped travelers from leaving Thailand until they actually canceled there extensions of stay.  And they found out by asking why they were leaving without a re-entry permit.  

[Nokkeaw]

9 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

You will likely require that letter to cancel your extension of stay so if you were here on that extension after the letter date of termination a fine would be likely I suspect - especially as this involves two different immigration offices.  But I could well be wrong.  But from above I read you returned using re-entry on old extension and stayed several months?  

 

This not canceling normally is not an issue unless, as you have done, you want to work here again.  Although some exit points have stopped travelers from leaving Thailand until they actually canceled there extensions of stay.  And they found out by asking why they were leaving without a re-entry permit.  

Is it possible to cancel the extension of stay without a termination letter?  I had some problems with my agency so I don't think they will be willing to help me now after so many months.

[lopburi3]

I expect a call from immigration police may get the letter if you can not yourself.  But perhaps immigration will not require so nothing lost in trying.  

[Nokkeaw]

UPDATE: So I went to inmigration in Nontamburi to try to cancel my visa and they required the termination letter which I don't have. They also pointed that I could be fined if the termination letter and the day I left the country didn't match.

So I went to my last agency, English Planet, and they told me some bullshit about waiting between 15 and 30 days to get the document (I think the truth is that they don't want to help me) and also I don't have that much time before my visa expires.

So on Monday I will go to Labour and I will get a document certifying when my last work permit ended. I think that my WP didn't expire before I left to Vietnam so I that case I won't be fined. This document should be enough to cancel my previous extension of stay.

I just post this for other people to know. I had no idea about this, no one explained to me so hope other people get the message.