rooster59 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Government insists it is taking Rolls-Royce scandal seriously By THE SUNDAY NATION THE GOVERNMENT denied yesterday that it was complacent over the Rolls-Royce bribery scandal allegedly involving such state-run enterprises as Thai Airways International and PTT. Government spokesman Lt-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd said the junta had ordered an investigation into the allegations that officials of those companies had accepted bribes from the British engineering giant. “The perpetrators must be punished. And measures are being set to prevent the problem in the future. All Thai people must help – whether they are politicians, state officials, private-sector employees or citizens. They must not be involved in corruption,” the spokesman said. “They should not push the burden of tackling corruption to the government only,” he added. However, a Pheu Thai Party politician said the government should be serious about tackling the corruption problem by fairly treating cases against all sides, including people close to government figures. Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30304639 -- © Copyright The Nation 2017-01-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Yes they have to take this seriously and protect their small elite group of HiSo Thai-Chinese so the serfs will not revolt against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thailand Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Who got the big bucks? Be honest now and amnesty is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Change the defamation laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatawonderfulday Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Of course they are taking it seriously. After all PTT was just a port of call for "retired" Generals. Taking a huge salary for no business input or expertise whatsoever, irrespective of whether it was a civilian government who allowed their appointments or a Junta. Now let's see if they are taking it seriously with an unbiased investigation into the purchase of RR compressors a few years back !!!!! I would put money on that they, whoever they are, will find nothing whatsoever amiss. Edited January 22, 2017 by whatawonderfulday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 we will know they are taking it seriously when all the assets are seized. all those involved are charged and are handed jail sentences with no bail allowed. Once all their assets are taken from them they then become common people which will destroy any future they think they had, an appropriate punishment. If the govt is serious about sopping this then they do need to seize all assets and sell them off to repay the country including interest on what they gained illegally, allowing their wives and families to keep any of it needs to stop and the ones that did it or were involved in it should get automatic jail time with no bail at all. The way it is here now hi-so's simply get a slap on the wrist and keep all their ill gotten gains, this needs to stop, loss of face and all money will soon sort them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 This is why decent companies (like Volvo buses) won't sell to Thailand...they want to keep a good reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyphodb Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The only thing that they will take seriously is the chance to screw more money from a "Farang" company... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 I'd love to see these 800 engines they bought with 6 Boeing 777 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 This is why decent companies (like Volvo buses) won't sell to Thailand...they want to keep a good reputation.Is that why Thailand might eventually get some new Malaysian ermmm Chinese busses ? after all the taxes are paid....in the meantime they could use the busses confiscated from the Chinese zero dollar company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, johng said: Is that why Thailand might eventually get some new Malaysian ermmm Chinese busses ? after all the taxes are paid....in the meantime they could use the busses confiscated from the Chinese zero dollar company. Yes this is why Volvo didn't want to join the bidding for new buses, very smart from them. Now RR looks like a cheap corrupt company, what a shame. Soon the only companies who will sell to the Thai will be in China i guess. I don't understand why it takes so long before those new buses are on the road, installing gps can be done in a few hours i would think. When Thailand bought the Siemens skytrains there were also issues about payments, and the 300 new firetrucks from Austria are still rotting away for almost 10 years now, never ever used. They also have an aircraft carrier but no aircrafts so it's useless. It will take many many years to build up a good reputation again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdgbb Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, fruitman said: Yes this is why Volvo didn't want to join the bidding for new buses, very smart from them. Now RR looks like a cheap corrupt company, what a shame. Soon the only companies who will sell to the Thai will be in China i guess. I don't understand why it takes so long before those new buses are on the road, installing gps can be done in a few hours i would think. When Thailand bought the Siemens skytrains there were also issues about payments, and the 300 new firetrucks from Austria are still rotting away for almost 10 years now, never ever used. They also have an aircraft carrier but no aircrafts so it's useless. It will take many many years to build up a good reputation again. Volvo withdrew from the bidding after it could not meet the Thai criteria that was required for the buses, they were initially bidding for the contract so obviously Volvo wanted it. Those fire engines will never be used, Thailand was compensated with millions of dollars by the corrupt Austrian company that supplied them and the Thai officials received long prison sentences. The aircraft carrier has not been involved in any corruption allegations and although it is not being used for it's main designed purpose due to financial restraints it is far from useless, the ship has been involved in many disaster and emergency situations and rescues. Edited January 22, 2017 by gdgbb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, gdgbb said: Volvo withdrew from the bidding after it could not meet the Thai criteria that was required for the buses Of course they could meet the criteria but didn't want it and had reasons for that. If you call Volvo and ask the price for 500 (or 3500) buses you sure will get it. They do their business the western way and if a customer doesn't want that they will withdraw. Take it or leave it, simple as that. They build excellent buses and are exactly what BKK needs. Now let's see if the Thai have enough towtrucks which can handle buses in the BKK traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdgbb Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, fruitman said: Of course they could meet the criteria but didn't want it and had reasons for that. If you call Volvo and ask the price for 500 (or 3500) buses you sure will get it. They do their business the western way and if a customer doesn't want that they will withdraw. Take it or leave it, simple as that. They build excellent buses and are exactly what BKK needs. Now let's see if the Thai have enough towtrucks which can handle buses in the BKK traffic. Volvo couldn't meet the requirements. If they didn't want the contract and didn't want the perceived risk of dealing with this country why would they have entered the bidding originally? "If you call Volvo and ask the price for 500 (or 3500) buses you sure will get it." Perhaps, but that is not the way a tendering process works! Do you really reckon that there is more chance of tow trucks being needed for the new buses that are subject to warranties and service/maintenance contracts than the existing buses? I don't think so. The manufacturer has been supplying buses for use in Thailand by private companies for years, how many have you seen needing towing or broken down so far? Edited January 22, 2017 by gdgbb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, gdgbb said: Volvo couldn't meet the requirements. If they didn't want the contract and didn't want the perceived risk of dealing with this country why would they have entered the bidding originally? "If you call Volvo and ask the price for 500 (or 3500) buses you sure will get it." Perhaps, but that is not the way a tendering process works! Perhaps they should have bought them of the shelf, paid cash and in time and they would already be driving here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdgbb Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 1 minute ago, fruitman said: Perhaps they should have bought them of the shelf, paid cash and in time and they would already be driving here. Why would buses that didn't meet Thailand's requirements be bought off the shelf or otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 What about looking at RR who instigated these commission payments in the first place. It was greed to obtain business & certainly approved by upper management. Why are RR going to confession now? Why did not the new CO of RR just say, From now on no" brown envelopes" & leave it at that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
performance Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The regime Prayut and bro Preecha missed out on a 1st class feast. So let's put the BATMAN suit on and play the dark Knight now lol. Hubba Bubba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 3 hours ago, dominique355 said: I'd love to see these 800 engines they bought with 6 Boeing 777 There weren't "800 engines". They were Trent model 800 engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, gdgbb said: Why would buses that didn't meet Thailand's requirements be bought off the shelf or otherwise? Because there is money in it for the purchaser? Edited January 22, 2017 by Chicog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, gdgbb said: Why would buses that didn't meet Thailand's requirements be bought off the shelf or otherwise? I doubt it was that volvo couldnt produce buses to meet the specification unless the spec was so sub standard that they refused to build and supply meeting the criteria. More likely is they were unwilling meet the meet the "payment structure" demanded by the agents acting on behalf of the Thai government. Edited January 22, 2017 by Reigntax Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 "Government" "insists" it is taking a problem "seriously". Yeah, only if red shirts did something. Otherwise get a bigger broom and larger carpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobz Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Instead of insisting they should just do it and show the results. But hey, talk is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, hobz said: Instead of insisting they should just do it and show the results. But hey, talk is cheap. They are also vely serious to get that monk out of his ufo....or to stop the deadly roadaccidents...or the price of lotterytickets....or to get motocydrivers wear a helmet... But i bet those italian boys who pulled some flags down are still in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonmoon Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Good. Just like how most of us are taking the words of this government and its dear PM seriously too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdgbb Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 11 hours ago, Reigntax said: I doubt it was that volvo couldnt produce buses to meet the specification unless the spec was so sub standard that they refused to build and supply meeting the criteria. More likely is they were unwilling meet the meet the "payment structure" demanded by the agents acting on behalf of the Thai government. Doubt away all you want, Volvo couldn't meet the Thai criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 5 hours ago, gdgbb said: Doubt away all you want, Volvo couldn't meet the Thai criteria. Yes, of course. Volvo can produce buses to meet the standards required in almost every developed country but cant meet the Thai standard which of course would be 6 wheels, 2 doors and a few seats and a quick acting front door so that Somchai the bus driver can escape quickly and bolt when he crashes into a few vehicles after going through red lights. Good luck with the Chinese, i mean Malaysian quality fleet, if they are still functioning and capable of being driven out of the impound.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanukjim Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Oh Yes, It is called "Covering your axx". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 "I think it is better to kill one corrupt official than deploying the whole army to stage a coup," he said. Wanchai Sornsiri, the NRSA's political reform chairman He's old-school. And he forgot to add, "...as long as her name is Yingluck". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 It would take RR and the British government to expose the names of the recipients....without this, Thailand will simply just make noises and produce nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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