More ferries to be added on Pattaya-Hua Hin route

[JSixpack]

31 minutes ago, Mooner said:

A problem that a boat cant travel when there are waves over 3m seems a huge problem to me especially as seas tend to become rougher in low season.

 

It's inevitable that air and sea transport schedules are liable to disruption owing to weather conditions. You may google for ferry travel alerts around the world:

 

https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=ferry+travel+disruption

 

Been that way forever. I'm sure you know that quite well already. Yet we're hearing a lot of gum flapping as if that's something new and so if Thais had just planned better, then here, unlike everywhere else in the world, it would be no issue at all. Silly ain't it?

 

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You seem to have put alot of words in my mouth with your money laundering  and corruption spill.

 

Well, don't be so coy, man. If you don't think it's owing to stupidity, money laundering, or corruption (like most of the peanut gallery), then why keep us in agony wondering about your reason "they have decided to order more boats starting to service the public as we head in to low season." Or was that part of your post for purely informational purposes?

[HHTel]

The Bangkok registered 'Royal 1' high speed catamaran being operated on the service was built in 1991 by Wavemaster International of Henderson, Australia. Recently owned and operated by China Government under the name 'Wu Yi Hu', some of the vessel's life saving appliances still show the former name and port of registry. The vessel was in service on the Pearl River (Zhū Jiāng) and estuary in Guangdong.
 

Hope that clears up the 'Chinese built' ferry.

[lonewolf99]

 

Do you get fed and watered ? how much if you do ?

I have been on similar boats in Norway,  Brisbane Oz, Russia and China to Hong Kong on the Pearl River....they are lacking in toilets for the number aboard if packed out.

I also found other than in Norway / Australia - you are sealed in, the Sea Doors are shut and due to the speed I guess you do not get out for fresh air.

Is there a life jacket for everyone ? Is there a video presentation telling everyone how to don a life jacket? How many life raft are there - I've not seen any visible on

the press photos.

I am guessing if they are  getting more vessels - they are aiming at the tour groups and going to churn them back and fore on a day trips ?

If its chinese tourists and  there is a prawn buffet, I for one will give this trip a miss.......

 

Now I hand you all over to JSixPack who seems to love jumping all over other opinions of this ferry thread ............? ! ?

 

[zorro1]

Just in time for the low season / quietest time of the year, in a year when there appears to be many less tourists than normal.
 
It's been very busy at times around here but nothing like last year.
 
 

Have hit walking street several times last 2weeks and it's a solid wall of people from around 8pm. Most definitely a bumper crowd.

Russians are the big surprise. Thought they were gone but seems to be more than ever before

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[aguy30]

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

But they already have:

 

 

So much for your ferry expertise, sorry. But you weren't planning on taking it anyway, so what does it matter eh.

 

So you say that I'm wrong but it is your math expertise that is lacking. Your 27-30 knots must be Thai math to make 116 km in 2 hours. That doesn't included the low docking and departing speeds. It would require an average speed of a more than 31.31 knots to make the 116 km trip. Difficult to get that average with a range of 27-30. But then, you knew that, didn't you?

[HHTel]

Knots is the speed through water not the speed over land which can be very different depending on current.

[champers]

32 minutes ago, HHTel said:

Knots is the speed through water not the speed over land which can be very different depending on current.

You're raisin a good point there.

[impulse]

14 hours ago, HHTel said:

Hope that clears up the 'Chinese built' ferry.

 

There ya go, countering a good ol' Thai bashing with facts.

[kevkev1888]

14 hours ago, aguy30 said:

So you say that I'm wrong but it is your math expertise that is lacking. Your 27-30 knots must be Thai math to make 116 km in 2 hours. That doesn't included the low docking and departing speeds. It would require an average speed of a more than 31.31 knots to make the 116 km trip. Difficult to get that average with a range of 27-30. But then, you knew that, didn't you?

I took the ferry a few weeks back, fairly light seas, waves were just cresting (white horses?). From cast off Pattaya to docking Hua HIn 2 hours 15 mins.

[tompelli]

Who owns Royal Princess Liner Company?

[JSixpack]

16 hours ago, lonewolf99 said:

Do you get fed and watered ? how much if you do ?

Already answered earlier. You can feed yourself. You can get watered as much as you like but are not allowed to jump overboard.

 

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I have been on similar boats in Norway,  Brisbane Oz, Russia and China to Hong Kong on the Pearl River....they are lacking in toilets for the number aboard if packed out.

 

Most of our members can comfortably wear their adult diapers as usual. The cruise line has imposed no restriction. But if you don't have any, just buy here from Lazada at a discount:

 

http://www.lazada.co.th/certainty/?setLang=en

 

So, not an issue at all. Next.

 

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Is there a video presentation telling everyone how to don a life jacket? How many life raft are there - I've not seen any visible on

the press photos.

 

We don't believe no stinkin' press photos here. We know they're all fake. But if you'd bothered to read, wavemanwww said, and I reposted twice, Most importantly safety is of a high standard under each seat they had a safety vest and each exit door had a life raft to sufficiently carry all passengers. Plus the seats even had seatbelts if the seas got rough. So safety is not an issue.

 

However the abominable lack of a video presentation will mean that if the boat started, like, sinking you'd just be helplessly unable to figure out how to don the jacket, esp after all those airline presentations. And the other passengers might well not let you onto their life raft! And would you blame them after they'd seen you putting your legs through the armholes of your life jacket?

 

So then you'd (cough) merely drown. Sniff! Missin' ya already man.

 

Well, we've encountered a show stopper here, folks. You've found your excuse and now you'll definitely "be giving this trip a miss."

 

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I am guessing if they are  getting more vessels - they are aiming at the tour groups and going to churn them back and fore on a day trips ?

If its chinese tourists and  there is a prawn buffet, I for one will give this trip a miss.......

 

TAT: TVF has already determined that

 

• the boats will be nearly deserted at all times;
• Pattaya is dying and the tourists have disappeared;
• the crackdown on zero-dollar tours has dried up the market for Chinese;
• Chinese couldn't afford the ferry and
• Chinese only spend in Chinese venues.

So no problem there. But the point's moot given the lack of the video presentation on how to don your life jacket. D@mn!

 

 

Edited February 15, 2017 by JSixpack

[little mary sunshine]

Hope they can keep one afloat!

[gdgbb]

On 14/02/2017 at 8:53 AM, smutcakes said:

You only need to see how involved the Government are in promoting it as well as having armed forces escorts for the service to understand the likelihood of there being military personal interests in the project, and no doubt a fair tender for the operation permit.

Regular trips do not have "armed forces escorts" so "the likelihood of there being military personal interests in the project, and no doubt a fair tender for the operation permit" is negligible.

[gdgbb]

Gosh, a report of a successful and expanding public service in Thailand and certain regular detractors continue to denigrate it regardless.  Well done, everyone!

[gdgbb]

On 14/02/2017 at 11:05 AM, JSixpack said:

 

Testing, not operating--normal and good. Opened officially yesterday.

 

Not plagued by early problems--typical TVF exaggeration. Waves are always an issue with any ferry service and if we take a ferry we'd really like to know the ferry isn't operating under unsafe conditions. We want the schedule changed accordingly. So that's been some positive reassurance.

 

 

Yep, that's indeed what the article said. Excellent.

 

 

Yep. But you see that doesn't matter, as TVF posters can't see customers in venues where they don't want to see them. Hence CentralFestival Pattaya Beach is devoid of shoppers at all times and has been accordingly bankrupt for many years, just as we prophesied when it dared open. Moreover, it's not conceivable that there are sufficient customers at times other then when the near-sighted poster happened to visit. Hence we're left with chanting stupidity, money laundering, and corruption. Been said many times in the ferry threads already.

 

So, no big deal, par for the course. It's up to the ferry company to manage as it sees fit. Let's move on, shall we?

 

Now: we'll have a larger choice of departure times, all to the good for those who wish to use the ferry. If you're not going to use it for various "reasons," mostly because you can't afford it, why bother "commenting?"

Excellent.  You won't be popular here being rational, though!

[gdgbb]

23 hours ago, aguy30 said:

Just don't understand what they are thinking. Were any qualified people involved in the planning?

 

Not happy that they are using 30 year old Chinese ferries for the service that can't comfortably handle more than 2m waves. Interesting how that insignificant detail wasn't know by most people in Thailand. Seems like the old boats already reached end of useful life and that is why the Chinese got rid of them.

 

I see failure on the horizon.

 

 

Another poster who simply cannot read or who is just trolling.  Isn't that against the forum's rules?

 

Why would you suggest that in a successful operation there were no qualified people involved?

 

The ferries are brand new, not 30 year-old Chinese boats!  They obviously haven't reached the end of their useful lives and the Chinese did not "get rid of them".    Spreading mis-information, eh, why?

[HHTel]

34 minutes ago, gdgbb said:

The ferries are brand new, not 30 year-old Chinese boats! 

They're not quite 30 years old (25 years old) but neither are they 'brand new'.  See my earlier factual post.

[tompelli]

1 hour ago, gdgbb said:

Regular trips do not have "armed forces escorts" so "the likelihood of there being military personal interests in the project, and no doubt a fair tender for the operation permit" is negligible.

If you can call it a fair tender where there is only one bidder then not much point in trying to convince you.

[JSixpack]

18 minutes ago, tompelli said:

If you can call it a fair tender where there is only one bidder then not much point in trying to convince you.

 

How do you know that no other bidders were permitted? Well, you don't. Usual hot air.

 

In fact Siam Logistics also offered a proposal. Maybe it's more like no point in trying to convince you.

[Briggsy]

There is something fishy going on here and I suspect it involves transfer of large amounts of taxpayers' money from the Treasury via some approved departmental budget to the private bank accounts of connected persons.

[tompelli]

28 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

 

How do you know that no other bidders were permitted? Well, you don't. Usual hot air.

 

In fact Siam Logistics also offered a proposal. Maybe it's more like no point in trying to convince you.

Director-general of the department Mr Sorasak Sansombat revealed the operation of the ferry service across the Bay of Thailand on a 113 kilometre distance from Pattaya to Hua Hin after it has picked Royal Passenger Liner as the operator of the service.

 

As the Bangkok Post reported, he said the company is the only operator which submitted tenders to operate shuttle service after the department invited interested investors to submit tenders to operate ferry service on the route from the eastern coast covering Pattaya and Sattahip to the western coast covering Cha-am, Hua Hin and Pranburi.

My statement was:  If you can call it a fair tender where there is only one bidder then not much point in trying to convince you.

I did not use the word permitted.

Edited February 15, 2017 by tompelli

[gdgbb]

1 hour ago, tompelli said:

If you can call it a fair tender where there is only one bidder then not much point in trying to convince you.

 I don't know how many bidders were involved but if the regulations allowed for only one bid what is the issue?   No one, apart from you, is questioning the "fairness" of the tender so what is your point?

Edited February 15, 2017 by gdgbb

[JSixpack]

53 minutes ago, tompelli said:

My statement was:  If you can call it a fair tender where there is only one bidder then not much point in trying to convince you.

I did not use the word permitted.

 

You're still not addressing the point. Yes, a fair tender is one in which others were invited to bid. It's not a matter of "calling" it anything. Others didn't bid, so no particular reason to question the choice of the only one who did w/i the specs--as Siam Logistics didn't w/ their proposal & so didn't bid. So what snide little point is it you're convinced of exactly? I suppose you're trying to say it was rigged but as I noted you have no evidence of that & so falls into the category of more time-wasting hot air.

[Lovethailandelite]

On 2/15/2017 at 4:58 PM, JSixpack said:

 

You're still not addressing the point. Yes, a fair tender is one in which others were invited to bid. It's not a matter of "calling" it anything. Others didn't bid, so no particular reason to question the choice of the only one who did w/i the specs--as Siam Logistics didn't w/ their proposal & so didn't bid. So what snide little point is it you're convinced of exactly? I suppose you're trying to say it was rigged but as I noted you have no evidence of that & so falls into the category of more time-wasting hot air.

Loving your posts 
I am waiting with anticipation on the response from the TVF Pattaya Central Planning Bureau regarding the new Rayong link road and U-Tapao airport upgrade. I wonder if it will be on par with the Ocean marina complex that nobody was ever going to use..... Which is actually a success and looking very full from my balcony. For some obscure reason, the  TVF Pattaya Central Planning Bureau even have a problem with free tourist visa's. You certainly need to be a weird one to be on that committee 

[wavemanwww]

. What I said was fact It travels at about 30 knots whether I prepared  for the trip or not is not important. I'm a licenced boater in  Aussie Are you?

Edited February 19, 2017 by Rimmer
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