Appeals Court upholds death penalty for Koh Tao murders

[sanemax]

16 minutes ago, bannork said:

Maybe the British police know more than anyone on this site does.

Although the British Police do not have the authority to interfere with other Countries Policing and its not their place to defend two Burmese Nationals

[Khon Kaen Dave]

All the TV sleuth's can assume and guess at what they want.These two, were guilty before they even got to court.Never mind about DNA, contamination of crime scenes, The British police, the Main suspect getting away with it.All the shit, defence, prosecution.etc. The Thais knew this would gi viral, they knew what a problem it could cause for the Island.They had to move quickly.These two boys were faces for the frame.And they fitted.The prosecution, and the defence was purely a formality.The whole outcome, hangs on the Judge.The one man who has the power of death or release over the accused.It must be remembered that there are no juries here, so he has full sway over the verdict.One man,whom,if he was in a bad mood that day, or got the brush off from his mia noi, or had a bad case of the shits, any reason at all.His decision is final.he Cannot be seen to be wrong.There was probably no real money in it for him, because there was no one with any money to pay him.Not enough, anyway.He said that the prosecution had proved their point.Not a question on the  validity of the DNA. So they got a guilty, because the boys don't matter.They are a pair of nothing's. Do you honestly think that this Judge was going to say "um, upon further reflection, i could have been wrong" Thats like the Jew's admitting they were responsible for the death of the Nazerine.It would never happen.It didnt happen , and it isnt ever going to happen.In the future years, when this has all died down, these two may be found dead in ttheir cells.Suicide due to severe depression.Or they will be lost in the Prison system and will be out of reach forever, because all records will either be lost or unavailable.The families have been told to accept the Burmese boys as the  muderer's because there is no chance of bringing the true murderer to book.So, every body can say, assume, detect, surmise, think, and post what they like. This case is over, and no amount of global investigation will alter it.I dont know about in the Uk, but over here, there are no real comments, other than what we are allowed to read, have beenmade by the parents.

God bless David and Hannah,you were innocent's abroad, but unfortunately the powers that be, now,  want you forgotten, so they can continue to make their filthy proceeds,on their vile island, by the disgusting owners.

[thetruth revealer]

46 minutes ago, Eligius said:

You are right, my friend: it is like  a piece of dreadful Hollywood fiction. Except that tragically this particular scenario is TRUE and involves REAL living persons (the Burmese Two), whose lives are now hanging in the balance ...

...living the nightmare !!

[smedly]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

So why did the defence team not call Jane Taupin, the Australian expert in DNA for forensic science, to the stand to testify about irregularities in the DNA collection?

And why did the British detectives sent to review the investigation not raise any questions about the DNA evidence too?

because the prosecution did not submit anything she could question

[smedly]

1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

I got the impression that the court (at that time) really knew sod all about DNA evidence, and that JT could have been seen as an interfering Farang who would embarrass/confound the judges, this being Thai sensitivities in play. But you'd have to ask the defence team on that.

As to the British detectives, it seemed they were spoon-fed by the RTP, and didn't carry out any investigation themselves. Again you would need to ask them that.   

the British police were a token gesture and could not influence anything, they were also not allowed to comment on anything they observed - if they had been allowed I am 100% sure it would have been extremely daming

[evadgib]

26 minutes ago, MorristheRunt said:

Cooperation in what??

Hmmm, drug running, money laundering, human trafficking, extradition, security & anything else the Romans ever did for us!

[smedly]

37 minutes ago, bannork said:

Maybe the British police know more than anyone on this site does.

maybe there are British police posting on this site

[MorristheRunt]

19 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Although the British Police do not have the authority to interfere with other Countries Policing and its not their place to defend two Burmese Nationals

But it's their duty to help the two British victims and their families to seek justice.

 

And also Britain was the bastion of democracy and freedom, Back in the day would have fought tooth and nail if two innocent Burmese were the patsy's that they are.

 

[MorristheRunt]

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

maybe there are British police posting on this site

Maybe the perpetrator's and friends are too

 

[smedly]

36 minutes ago, MorristheRunt said:

Maybe because the hair MYSERIOUSLY DISSAPEARED, along with a lot of other substantial evidence.

 

and not one fingerprint was ever taken - you know why....................because it cannot be falsified erased manipulated faked in any way - it is solid irrefutable evidence that cannot be questioned

[localczar]

On 2017-03-01 at 6:29 PM, greenchair said:

Yahoo. Guilty as sin. 

Justice was served for hannah who was left lying on the beach with her brain smashed to bits and violated in the worst possible way. 

I hope people give a thought for her whilst dishing out sympathy for those 2 sods. 

Well done thai police. 

well done thai police: pretty much the norm, botching up from start to finish and blaming someone else, certainly fooled the platinum member, whose agenda is??

[smedly]

IN my opinion Hannahs murder was about some coward Thai thug that frequents the bars in the area and routinely prays on young western women and thinks he is something approached Hannah and got (on no uncertain terms) told were to get off  in front of his underling mates and he didn't like it - neanderthal  mentality with a low IQ  and lots of hate for farangs 

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

So who did the blonde hair Hannah was clutching belong to? Presumably that means not dyed, ie a Westerner.

And has no journalist tried to chase up the Scottish  guitarist with blood all over his guitar since he fled to Italy/ 

 

The blonde hair is interesting. One of the senior investigating officers had several meetings with a pathologist in Bangkok about it, and was caught out perjuring himself in court at the trial about how many meetings they'd had. Those meetings make it clear that the hair was an important piece of evidence. But the police chose not to use it, instead claiming that they'd got nothing from it, and it was used up (!!!) in testing.

[MorristheRunt]

Greenchair, as you rightly pointed out, the female victim had her "brain smashed to bits" ..so this was the action,  according to the prosecution, of the two Burmese whom were  "aroused" by the victims...Bullshit....

 

Hanna's injuries were caused by an evil <removed> who were looking for revenge and whom vented their anger in a vicious, hideous manner.

And whom also "posed" her body in a sickening , provocative way.

 

 

[transam]

I hope "what goes around comes around" for the real killers...That has followed me all my life...Just hope my vibes prevail....Wait and see....

 

And folk who want the B2 taken out because of their interests....."what goes around will come around".......

[MorristheRunt]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I hope "what goes around comes around" for the real killers...That has followed me all my life...Just hope my vibes prevail....Wait and see....

 

And folk who want the B2 taken out because of their interests....."what goes around will come around".......

The truth always comes out......eventually

 

[smedly]

Top primary motives for murder and IMO opinion this was murder not rape

 

Revenge - in Thailand losing face

hate -  in Thailand losing face

Jealousy - in Thailand losing face

money

 

[AGareth2]

isn't it strange that all the good evidence that could identify the murderers has been lost

[Eligius]

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

Top primary motives for murder and IMO opinion this was murder not rape

 

Revenge - in Thailand losing face

hate -  in Thailand losing face

Jealousy - in Thailand losing face

money

 

I think you are largely right. It is highly significant and symbolic (in a psycho-pathological way) that the poor victim was literally made to 'lose her face' (by having it smashed in almost beyond recognition) -  which speaks volumes. As you indicate, this was most likely a crime fuelled by massive loss of face and a seething, furious desire for REVENGE.

Edited March 4, 2017 by Eligius

[smedly]

12 minutes ago, MorristheRunt said:

Greenchair, as you rightly pointed out, the female victim had her "brain smashed to bits" ..so this was the action,  according to the prosecution, of the two Burmese whom were  "aroused" by the victims...Bullshit....

 

Hanna's injuries were caused by an evil <removed> who were looking for revenge and whom vented their anger in a vicious, hideous manner.

And whom also "posed" her body in a sickening , provocative way.

 

 

correct

[MorristheRunt]

6 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

isn't it strange that all the good evidence that could identify the murderers has been lost

Even stranger that the Burmese even had to stand trial with the lack of any credible evidence/ motive against them.

 

It's scary that having a drink and a sing song on a public beach, can lead you to an execution by a sovereign nation.

[AGareth2]

coming back to the phone

were the B2 fingerprints found on the phone?

[Eligius]

4 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

coming back to the phone

were the B2 fingerprints found on the phone?

As far as I know, the police did not bother to check for fingerprints at any point in this case - or so we are told. If true, this alone proves that the police were not serious in wanting to do everything possible to catch the real murderers.

Edited March 4, 2017 by Eligius

[sanemax]

11 minutes ago, smedly said:

IN my opinion Hannahs murder was about some coward Thai thug that frequents the bars in the area and routinely prays on young western women and thinks he is something approached Hannah and got (on no uncertain terms) told were to get off  in front of his underling mates and he didn't like it - neanderthal  mentality with a low IQ  and lots of hate for farangs 

This is my take of events , using facts and possible scenarios :

    Hanna was in the bar drinking with some Thais , David walked in and began socialising with Hanna.

    Hanna left her Thi company and began drinking with David .

The Thais got upset by this "rejection" and an argument began between David and the Thais .

    David and Hannah walked out and went to the beach  together , maybe being joined by the B2 .

   The Thai guys from the bar were furious about this and then went to the beach to remonstrate with them , picking up a hoe along the way .

   They walked up behind David and hit him over the back of the head , one of the Thais continued attacking David , whilst the other attacked Hannah

  Once David was dead and Hannah had been raped, Davids killer then raped Hanna . The Scottish guy was also there , as back up to the Thais , expecting just an argument .

   Once he saw the extent of the attack , he may have tried to stop it a nd then ran off

   The two Thais then went running after him, with the intent of killing him as well and making it look like a suicide and then blaming him for Hanna & Davids murders

After not managing to capture him, the Thai needed to pass the blame onto someone else

   

[AGareth2]

^ David held the hoe

[transam]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

This is my take of events , using facts and possible scenarios :

    Hanna was in the bar drinking with some Thais , David walked in and began socialising with Hanna.

    Hanna left her Thi company and began drinking with David .

The Thais got upset by this "rejection" and an argument began between David and the Thais .

    David and Hannah walked out and went to the beach  together , maybe being joined by the B2 .

   The Thai guys from the bar were furious about this and then went to the beach to remonstrate with them , picking up a hoe along the way .

   They walked up behind David and hit him over the back of the head , one of the Thais continued attacking David , whilst the other attacked Hannah

  Once David was dead and Hannah had been raped, Davids killer then raped Hanna . The Scottish guy was also there , as back up to the Thais , expecting just an argument .

   Once he saw the extent of the attack , he may have tried to stop it a nd then ran off

   The two Thais then went running after him, with the intent of killing him as well and making it look like a suicide and then blaming him for Hanna & Davids murders

After not managing to capture him, the Thai needed to pass the blame onto someone else

   

Sort of, but something along those lines..

[balo]

Funny most of you only mention Thais as the real killers, the island was full of foreigners and migrant workers. We have a lot of suspects if B2 is innocent.

[bannork]

8 minutes ago, sanemax said:

This is my take of events , using facts and possible scenarios :

    Hanna was in the bar drinking with some Thais , David walked in and began socialising with Hanna.

    Hanna left her Thi company and began drinking with David .

The Thais got upset by this "rejection" and an argument began between David and the Thais .

    David and Hannah walked out and went to the beach  together , maybe being joined by the B2 .

   The Thai guys from the bar were furious about this and then went to the beach to remonstrate with them , picking up a hoe along the way .

   They walked up behind David and hit him over the back of the head , one of the Thais continued attacking David , whilst the other attacked Hannah

  Once David was dead and Hannah had been raped, Davids killer then raped Hanna . The Scottish guy was also there , as back up to the Thais , expecting just an argument .

   Once he saw the extent of the attack , he may have tried to stop it a nd then ran off

   The two Thais then went running after him, with the intent of killing him as well and making it look like a suicide and then blaming him for Hanna & Davids murders

After not managing to capture him, the Thai needed to pass the blame onto someone else

   

So why has the Scottish guy Sean McAnna not come forward ? He was last known to be living in Italy with his girlfriend.

[transam]

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

So why has the Scottish guy Sean McAnna not come forward ? He was last known to be living in Italy with his girlfriend.

A junky.............History of yuck stuff....He will be back in his woodwork...

[brewsterbudgen]

My suspicion is - and it is nothing more than a suspicion, based on the totally pointless British police visit to Koh Tao - that the British Government has put politics and trade ahead of decency and morality - and decided not to blow open this whole scandal on an international scale, as only an entire major government could do. It's very sad - indeed, appalling (if true). Thailand is not the only corrupt nation on earth (although here the blatant, shameless, in-your-face HUGE daily corruption is astonishing) ....

Since when have the British government and media been in cahoots? Jonathan Head (BBC) has reported extensively on the case, including the recent appeal. The average Sun reader has little interest in the fate of two Burmese nationals and the British press is all about sales.