It's official - Thai real estate bubble pops.

[hugh mckee]

44 minutes ago, Senechal said:

 

Most everyone here loves living in Thailand, Hugh. 

 

I don't care to be honest about this, you whinging guys who don't have a good thing to say about thailand are not the type of people I wish to meet, sure you love Thailand and you love to bad mouth it too.

[inThailand]

4 minutes ago, trogers said:

Some people are unsure of their move to purchase and seek assurance from such forums.

 

Alas, to come across such posts that give sleepless nights.

 

I bought, with a clear purpose and timing. And when it's time to sell, I would. But all considerations in an investment perspective. No sleepless nights.

Yup! No sleepless nights over property, girls another thing!

 

When you go in with open eyes and solid knowledge of what your getting your self into its not stressful.

 

I would say that condo management and the amount of monkey business going on is worse, but even worse, is how hard it is to combat.

[hugh mckee]

14 minutes ago, trogers said:

Some people are unsure of their move to purchase and seek assurance from such forums.

 

Alas, to come across such posts that give sleepless nights.

 

I bought, with a clear purpose and timing. And when it's time to sell, I would. But all considerations in an investment perspective. No sleepless nights.

I read this forum before buying and knew that a very small group of people on here can make a loud noise, sure after buying your negative comments maybe annoy me more hence posting.

 

as for sleepless nights about investments? I don't have any investments, my condo is going to be my second home, my first home is a property I bought in 2007, 10 years later I probably would get £25k less than I paid for it 10 years ago, how many sleepless night have I had over this?...eh none.

 

my last post all you cyber bullies and racists on here, maybe I'll post some photos and good reviews 6 months from now of my beautfiful holiday home 50 yards from the beach, all bought and paid for by a working class guy.

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2017 by hugh mckee

[ExpatOilWorker]

5 minutes ago, hugh mckee said:

I read this forum before buying and knew that a very small group of people on here can make a loud noise, sure after buying your negative comments maybe annoy me more hence posting.

 

as for sleepless nights about investments? I don't have any investments, my condo is going to be my second home, my first home is a property I bought in 2007, 10 years later I probably would get £25k less than I paid for it 10 years ago, how many sleepless night have I had over this?...eh none.

 

 

 

 

When is your Pattaya condo due for completion?

[hugh mckee]

8 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

When is your Pattaya condo due for completion?

why do you ask me this? in hope that it fails? life's a gamble, I like to gamble, gambling paid for my condo,

I paid 100% upfront, yes have a good laugh, it's my gambling nature, condo will be finished early next year,

all floors complete and windows mostly fitted now in all apartments, condo is beautiful and right next to beach,

it will not fail and if i wanted to sell then being in such a great location with great sea view will mean I'd sell no problem,

my wish is I have it 'til I die.

 

now guys sorry but must leave you, got a flight to las vegas, leaves in 3 hours....see ya

Edited October 2, 2017 by hugh mckee

[inThailand]

Watching as your off plan condo purchase may actually get finished, actually get condo registration, an occupancy permit, and actually getting your lease or FF title deed registered can be nail biting.

[lkn]

Hugh McKee is correct that there is a lot of negativity on this board, often directed at others, either directly or indirectly, like you’re a fool if you buy property, want to start a business, Thais are bad people who wants to scam you, not to forget all the personal insults that are thrown your way if you make the mistake to try an argue with some of the ludicrous statements that are so often uttered on this forum.

 

Thailand does indeed have some real issues (corruption, lack of democracy/free speech, poorly educated workforce, ambiguous laws with lax/random enforcement, little consumer protection, and of course human trafficking) and the sustainability of the current real estate developer’s business model is also questionable.

 

But if you’re an affluent educated white guy, chances are good that you’ll have a great time in Thailand and many of the things written on this forum is just so far from the reality that I experience in Thailand.

 

In general I do like to be subjected to opinions that are different from my own, but I have found that some people on this forum just repeat the same negative stuff over and over again (or tell us all to invest in gold bitcoin), and it’s pointless to start to argue with them, so when I spot a pattern, I just block them.

 

In fact, the person who started this thread is currently on my ignore list, because he was popping up in most threads about real estate just to tell us all how stupid it is to buy in Thailand.

 

Meanwhile I am really enjoying the condo that I paid eight figures for, even though I had to join the board and basically take over the duties of the JPM because he was incompetent, but now I am in charge of the building’s finances, and I talk with our building manager regularly, so how our staff or even JPM would be able to steal from us (unnoticed and without consequences), as you so often read here, is a mystery to me.

 

Will I be able to sell my condo for what I paid? This is not at all a concern for me, as I bought the condo to use in the foreseeable future and actually just bought the 20 year PE visa, implying that I will be coming here for a long time.

 

What worries me much more than condo prices is the faith of the Thai democracy, this is what makes me have second thoughts about having bought a condo in Thailand.

 

But currently, I just don’t know of any other country that offers the same as Thailand: Great food, climate, nature, infrastructure, friendly people, high living standards (if you have money) with access to most Western products.

Edited October 2, 2017 by lkn

[ExpatOilWorker]

2 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

why do you ask me this? in hope that it fails? life's a gamble, I like to gamble, gambling paid for my condo,

I paid 100% upfront, yes have a good laugh, it's my gambling nature, condo will be finished early next year,

all floors complete and windows mostly fitted now in all apartments, condo is beautiful and right next to beach,

it will not fail and if i wanted to sell then being in such a great location with great sea view will mean I'd sell no problem,

my wish is I have it 'til I die.

 

now guys sorry but must leave you, got a flight to las vegas, leaves in 3 hours....see ya

 

You really are judgmental to the extreme. It is like trying to make small talk to somebody at a bar by asking "How do you think the weather will be tomorrow?" while you casually look at the grey sky and his answer is "Ohh, so you just want it to rain. You really enjoyed the 2011 flood, didn't you? You like to see people lose their home and life?"

When you quietly take your beer and move away, it dawns to you why this sad old man is always sitting alone.

[hugh mckee]

34 minutes ago, lkn said:

Hugh McKee is correct that there is a lot of negativity on this board, often directed at others, either directly or indirectly, like you’re a fool if you buy property, want to start a business, Thais are bad people who wants to scam you, not to forget all the personal insults that are thrown your way if you make the mistake to try an argue with some of the ludicrous statements that are so often uttered on this forum.

 

Thailand does indeed have some real issues (corruption, lack of democracy/free speech, poorly educated workforce, ambiguous laws with lax/random enforcement, little consumer protection, and of course human trafficking) and the sustainability of the current real estate developer’s business model is also questionable.

 

But if you’re an affluent educated white guy, chances are good that you’ll have a great time in Thailand and many of the things written on this forum is just so far from the reality that I experience in Thailand.

 

In general I do like to be subjected to opinions that are different from my own, but I have found that some people on this forum just repeat the same negative stuff over and over again (or tell us all to invest in gold bitcoin), and it’s pointless to start to argue with them, so when I spot a pattern, I just block them.

 

In fact, the person who started this thread is currently on my ignore list, because he was popping up in most threads about real estate just to tell us all how stupid it is to buy in Thailand.

 

Meanwhile I am really enjoying the condo that I paid eight figures for, even though I had to join the board and basically take over the duties of the JPM because he was incompetent, but now I am in charge of the building’s finances, and I talk with our building manager regularly, so how our staff or even JPM would be able to steal from us (unnoticed and without consequences), as you so often read here, is a mystery to me.

 

Will I be able to sell my condo for what I paid? This is not at all a concern for me, as I bought the condo to use in the foreseeable future and actually just bought the 20 year PE visa, implying that I will be coming here for a long time.

 

What worries me much more than condo prices is the faith of the Thai democracy, this is what makes me have second thoughts about having bought a condo in Thailand.

 

But currently, I just don’t know of any other country that offers the same as Thailand: Great food, climate, nature, infrastructure, friendly people, high living standards (if you have money) with access to most Western products.

so happy to read this, thankfully a bit of honesty and realism

 

the guy who started this topic funinsuninbangkok is posting very recently on another topic how he supports US having a war and bombing North Korea, I would have thought no one in the world would have wished that, proves what type of person he is and how he should never be taken seriously.

 

Edited October 2, 2017 by hugh mckee

[Senechal]

45 minutes ago, hugh mckee said:

so happy to read this, thankfully a bit of honesty and realism

 

the guy who started this topic funinsuninbangkok is posting very recently on another topic how he supports US having a war and bombing North Korea, I would have thought no one in the world would have wished that, proves what type of person he is and how he should never be taken seriously.

 

 

I found this comment to be completely inappropriate for this forum and this discussion. Please take your pretense of moral righteousness elsewhere.

 

If you want to discuss trends in real estate, this is the right place. If you want to use ad hominem attacks or you assume that your definitions of political correctness are universally shared, you're probably in the wrong place. 

 

Edited October 2, 2017 by Senechal

[JohnLick]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

 

You really are judgmental to the extreme. It is like trying to make small talk to somebody at a bar by asking "How do you think the weather will be tomorrow?" while you casually look at the grey sky and his answer is "Ohh, so you just want it to rain. You really enjoyed the 2011 flood, didn't you? You like to see people lose their home and life?"

When you quietly take your beer and move away, it dawns to you why this sad old man is always sitting alone.

 

You nailed it. Most people here share opinions and articles, he just barks at everything with "fake news" and "you are horrible human being" while waiting for an off-plan condo to be finished. While nobody has crystal ball he managed to buy his home months before the 2008 financial crisis.

 

Having track record "a property I bought in 2007, 10 years later I probably would get £25k less than I paid for it 10 years ago" one would expect this person to be much more careful and open minded.

[Naam]

18 minutes ago, JohnLick said:

 

You nailed it. Most people here share opinions and articles, he just barks at everything with "fake news" and "you are horrible human being" while waiting for an off-plan condo to be finished. While nobody has crystal ball he managed to buy his home months before the 2008 financial crisis.

 

Having track record "a property I bought in 2007, 10 years later I probably would get £25k less than I paid for it 10 years ago" one would expect this person to be much more careful and open minded.

you mean he should have known that the Baht will appreciate vs. Pound Sterling by 65% and that the Lehman crisis in 2008 caused a depreciation of Sterling? gimme a break man!

[JohnLick]

25 minutes ago, Naam said:

you mean he should have known that the Baht will appreciate vs. Pound Sterling by 65% and that the Lehman crisis in 2008 caused a depreciation of Sterling? gimme a break man!

 

nobody is talking about baht vs pound, but about real estate

 

[funandsuninbangkok]

5 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

why do you ask me this? in hope that it fails? life's a gamble, I like to gamble, gambling paid for my condo,

I paid 100% upfront, yes have a good laugh, it's my gambling nature, condo will be finished early next year,

all floors complete and windows mostly fitted now in all apartments, condo is beautiful and right next to beach,

it will not fail and if i wanted to sell then being in such a great location with great sea view will mean I'd sell no problem,

my wish is I have it 'til I die.

 

now guys sorry but must leave you, got a flight to las vegas, leaves in 3 hours....see ya

Las Vegas huh?

 

lighting strikes twice?

[funandsuninbangkok]

3 hours ago, lkn said:

Hugh McKee is correct that there is a lot of negativity on this board, often directed at others, either directly or indirectly, like you’re a fool if you buy property, want to start a business, Thais are bad people who wants to scam you, not to forget all the personal insults that are thrown your way if you make the mistake to try an argue with some of the ludicrous statements that are so often uttered on this forum.

 

Thailand does indeed have some real issues (corruption, lack of democracy/free speech, poorly educated workforce, ambiguous laws with lax/random enforcement, little consumer protection, and of course human trafficking) and the sustainability of the current real estate developer’s business model is also questionable.

 

But if you’re an affluent educated white guy, chances are good that you’ll have a great time in Thailand and many of the things written on this forum is just so far from the reality that I experience in Thailand.

 

In general I do like to be subjected to opinions that are different from my own, but I have found that some people on this forum just repeat the same negative stuff over and over again (or tell us all to invest in gold bitcoin), and it’s pointless to start to argue with them, so when I spot a pattern, I just block them.

 

In fact, the person who started this thread is currently on my ignore list, because he was popping up in most threads about real estate just to tell us all how stupid it is to buy in Thailand.

 

Meanwhile I am really enjoying the condo that I paid eight figures for, even though I had to join the board and basically take over the duties of the JPM because he was incompetent, but now I am in charge of the building’s finances, and I talk with our building manager regularly, so how our staff or even JPM would be able to steal from us (unnoticed and without consequences), as you so often read here, is a mystery to me.

 

Will I be able to sell my condo for what I paid? This is not at all a concern for me, as I bought the condo to use in the foreseeable future and actually just bought the 20 year PE visa, implying that I will be coming here for a long time.

 

What worries me much more than condo prices is the faith of the Thai democracy, this is what makes me have second thoughts about having bought a condo in Thailand.

 

But currently, I just don’t know of any other country that offers the same as Thailand: Great food, climate, nature, infrastructure, friendly people, high living standards (if you have money) with access to most Western products.

Spain, Portugal, Italy,Greece,Cyprus,Turkey,Malaysia

 

to name a few

 

but since you ignore me you will never know

[Naam]

19 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

4 hours ago, lkn said:

But currently, I just don’t know of any other country that offers the same as Thailand: Great food, climate, nature, infrastructure, friendly people, high living standards (if you have money) with access to most Western products.

Spain, Portugal, Italy,Greece,Cyprus,Turkey,Malaysia

 

except for Malaysia you are ignoring the high income tax liabilities when buying property and/or living in the countries you listed.

[Naam]

1 hour ago, JohnLick said:

 

nobody is talking about baht vs pound, but about real estate

 

except for Malaysia you are ignoring the high income tax liabilities when buying property and/or living in the countries you listed.

[Naam]

1 hour ago, JohnLick said:

nobody is talking about baht vs pound, but about real estate

 

but you talked about "Lehman 2008" and blame him that he bought shortly before.

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  ...he managed to buy his home months before the 2008 financial crisis.

 

[xylophone]

23 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Record number of condos under construction 

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/Real_Estate/30326306

 

What could go wrong ?

 

Depending upon what mindset you are, there are good and bad signs in Thailand with articles suggesting that there are a record number of condos under construction and other articles suggesting that there are a record number of unoccupied/unfinished/abandoned condo buildings around the place!

 

Here in Phuket we have articles suggesting the former, despite the fact that in the party/entertainment centre here, Patong, there are quite a number of abandoned structures around, not to mention many barely completed ones. Go figure.

 

Add to that the many apartments and houses which are for sale and have been for many years and the picture is confusing to say the least, however I tend to look at the houses in the areas I know and that have been for sale for 10 years or more and use those as a sort of benchmark.

 

Several houses in a quiet cul-de-sac here have been on the market for years at the 5 million baht plus figure and none have moved, yet just weeks ago one of these actually sold for.........2.5 million baht! That was just about the price it was built for some 14 years ago and it has had some money spent on it just recently with a couple of new bathrooms and other renovations and in the end it became a sort of fire sale. Another friend sold his 62 m² apartment last year for 1.5 million baht, mainly because he had been trying to sell it for a long time with no takers.

 

Having said that, just today I caught up with someone I haven't seen for a few years and who is in real estate and when I asked him how things were, he stated, "there's a lot of development going on at the moment", which tells one nothing about the real state of things here in Patong other than the fact that the new developments and the abandoned and scarcely occupied ones are perhaps on an even keel?

Edited October 2, 2017 by xylophone

[Destiny1990]

Guys a friend of mine likes to buy older spacious condo in pattaya in wongamat.

He checked and according to him foreign quota is already 65% but he says he can still get it freehold because between the years 1999 and 2004 they were not enforcing that 49/51 law due to a crissis and in that period that condo was built. Is that true?

[JohnLick]

29 minutes ago, Naam said:

but you talked about "Lehman 2008" and blame him that he bought shortly before.

 

 

No blame there... just stating the facts

[chrisandsu]

2 hours ago, Naam said:

but you talked about "Lehman 2008" and blame him that he bought shortly before.

 

Are you saying you couldn't see the bubble happening prior to the collapse ? I'd be worried if you said no . 

[funandsuninbangkok]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Thailand/comments/6gs0lz/is_a_property_crash_on_the_horizon/

 

[Naam]

52 minutes ago, chrisandsu said:

Are you saying you couldn't see the bubble happening prior to the collapse ? I'd be worried if you said no . 

no, i did not see any bubble in 2007 and if you saw one i take my hat off and salute you because you must have made billions which dwarf the couple of millions i made post Lehman.

 

my wake-up call was (i admit in hindsight quite late) in march 2008 when Bear Sterns collapsed and started to affect negatively my emerging market sovereign and corporate bond investments.

 

so how do you like your 300' yacht and is the water deep enough that you can moor her close to the shore of your private island in the Caribbean?

 

[Destiny1990]

56 minutes ago, Naam said:

no, i did not see any bubble in 2007 and if you saw one i take my hat off and salute you because you must have made billions which dwarf the couple of millions i made post Lehman.

 

my wake-up call was (i admit in hindsight quite late) in march 2008 when Bear Sterns collapsed and started to affect negatively my emerging market sovereign and corporate bond investments.

 

so how do you like your 300' yacht and is the water deep enough that you can moor her close to the shore of your private island in the Caribbean?

 

And again he is his time ahead of us because (according to him anytime now) when the property market crashes in Thailand then he will buy up whole condo buildings for 25% of the current prices.Watch wait and learn from the master!

[funandsuninbangkok]

On 10/22/2016 at 3:29 PM, Asiantravel said:

I can sympathise with you fully Adrian. Let me tell you an equally horrifying tale.

A few years ago where I was living at the time in Pattaya my European neighbour had contracted (through a company that he had owned for about 12 years) to buy a house here.. Fortunately for him he was extremely methodical and kept every piece of paper, summary of all discussions he had with the developer and even calculations all neatly and chronologically stored  in two or three files.

But like you he also was very unhappy with the finished house and over a period of  four or five years engaged in litigation to sue for compensation and  breach of contract using a Bangkok lawyer.

There were several phases to this litigation and several court appearances and many had occurred before I had even arrived in Thailand myself. There were some vague attempts at settlement but   my neighbour thought they were grossly inadequate. When it got closer to the end of the 4 or 5 year litigation saga, he invited me and another European that lived in the same building to accompany him to the court case at the court building on Pratamnak Hill in Pattaya.

The defendant (developer) didn’t attend the court case and initially I don’t think any of us attributed much importance to that.

But the thing that was astonishing was that after hearing the Bangkok lawyer present his case on behalf of my neighbour, the judge asked the lawyers if everybody could assemble in an adjoining room outside. None of us really understood the significance of moving but when we got into the room the judge spoke to the lawyers in Thai and advised them that the developer was known to be a dangerous man if he was pushed too far and that off the record it would be far better for my neighbour (the plaintiff) to settle the matter out of court! Naturally I was gobsmacked that a judge could be saying all  this. And it is always left an indelible impression on me never ever to rely on the so-called justice system in this country.

 

I wonder why the property market on the islands has collapsed?

[funandsuninbangkok]

12 hours ago, hugh mckee said:

I don't care to be honest about this, you whinging guys who don't have a good thing to say about thailand are not the type of people I wish to meet, sure you love Thailand and you love to bad mouth it too.

Hugh,

 

this might come in handy

 

On 9/30/2017 at 1:30 PM, AdrianBerry said:

Since it has been nearly a year when I began my fight with the developer, I thought that I would update everyone (and posterity as Thai Visa always comes up on some relevant searches when I am looking for information) as I had promised to do.

Getting the lawyer at Pattaya City Hall to do anything effective for me was a massive waste of my personal time – he did attempt to put both parties in the same room together in order to negotiate but in no way was he an arbitrator – especially if the developer sends someone that is not authorised to speak on their behalf and has no financial / decision making authority to sit at the table.

 

Each time that I wanted to speak with him, I had to ‘pop-in’ to his office and hope that he was there and hope he had time to speak to me – the staff there soon got to know me in the coming weeks as I visited 2-3 times each week with only a 20% success rate.  In the end, after 2 meetings with the developer (one with me present and one without) he said that he could do nothing for me further and that I should just engage a lawyer and take them to Civil Court (I am glad that I did not as then the Office for Consumer Protection Board (OCPB) would not deal with me as I had legal representation already.

 

While the two parties were meeting in late October (maybe I was given the wrong location) I took advantage and took a photo / video record of the units and the common areas for proof that they have still not complied with the terms of the Contracts.  The units were in better shape this time – previously I had complained that they had used the cheapest lighting they could find – the showrooms (long since demolished) had a much better finish.  I had referred to my photos and copies of the sales brochures (which form part of the contract as well) to get them to make changes (they called them extras later).  They never even kept any on the photos and had asked me for mine!

 

My first inspection found a couple of small easy-to-fix electrical faults in my units but my last inspection found some major issues that would take the builder/developer some serious money to rectify and were indeed life-threatening – the building does not meet the Thai Electrical Code!.  As well, they were building some external stairs that day for the Juristic office out of some undersized / too-thin tube steel (it will not last too long that close to the sea).  OK, Thailand does not have a standard for stair design, but I have designed hundreds of them in my days as a Structural Designer, I do know a few things…

 

After being given the brush-off by the Pattaya official, I redoubled my efforts with getting the Bangkok office of the OCPB to take on my case… Emails did not work, faxes did not work – letters, properly translated into Thai (I used Google and that started to get some action.  I found one lady there that I could talk to when I phone to follow-up and she was very helpful in bringing my case to the top of the pile for attention.

 

I finally got a preliminary meeting with a case officer in mid-February to discuss my case and to see if it was worthy of bringing it to the sub-committee – I presented them with copies of the Contracts, the cancellation letter and the relevant information for consideration.

At the end of June, both myself and the developer were summoned to the sub-committee hearing to present our cases and to try and arbitrate a resolution.  I was brought in front of 3 uniformed OCPB officers to make my presentation – the developer never even bothered to show up.  They took my evidence as presented with nothing refuted to the Negotiation Committee and fined the developer 10,000 Baht.

 

Just yesterday, I returned to Bangkok with both parties called to present to the Negotiation Committee – this time there were 15 people facing me including the Chairman of the OCPB, the President of the Thai Lawyers Association and Fraud Police as well as a host of others (including the photographer of course).  I made my presentation (I was much better prepared this time with all of the relevant facts at hand tabled and a copy for the translator) – I had assumed that the developer had not showed up again – but they had sent one of the more junior staff members to take the meeting (no doubt so they would not get fined again).  I don’t think that the Committee even spoke to her as she had no Power of Attorney or remit to negotiate anything – certainly I did not want to try and go down this path again!

 

From here, it gets bumped up a level.  For those who do not know, the courts are multi-levelled with the lowest-level ones simply negotiation bodies, they are there to attempt to get a suitable resolution before it gets to a ‘trial’.  That means for me, the next level is that my case goes before the Selection Committee to see if the OCPB will represent my case in a Civil action – I have been put on the docket for the March hearing, some 6 months from now.

 

In the meantime, I will put to the readers a couple of questions:

 

1.            I have made it clear that I wish to cancel the units nearly a year ago.  They (in theory and as they had threatened a year ago) could have put my units back on the market and sold them out from under me.  Could I place a Caveat on the units pending an outcome of the trial?  Is this easily done by myself?

 

2.            One of the things that the Selection Committee is looking at is ‘wrongful fraud’ (i.e. Civil fraud) and they would be representing my case for me without cost but they will not be forthcoming in pursuing a legal case in charging them with ‘criminal fraud’ – that is something that I could start now (concurrently) with the Civil case.  I do have emails that show that they have purposely withheld late fees and interest on investors and (through inaction) refused to pay my money back – is that enough?  Maybe it is something that I could address to put more pressure on them… Thoughts?

 

[chrisandsu]

2 hours ago, Naam said:

no, i did not see any bubble in 2007 and if you saw one i take my hat off and salute you because you must have made billions which dwarf the couple of millions i made post Lehman.

 

my wake-up call was (i admit in hindsight quite late) in march 2008 when Bear Sterns collapsed and started to affect negatively my emerging market sovereign and corporate bond investments.

 

so how do you like your 300' yacht and is the water deep enough that you can moor her close to the shore of your private island in the Caribbean?

 

No wonder your living in Thailand after such a collapse in personal

wealth ?

[hugh mckee]

14 hours ago, Senechal said:

 

I found this comment to be completely inappropriate for this forum and this discussion. Please take your pretense of moral righteousness elsewhere.

 

If you want to discuss trends in real estate, this is the right place. If you want to use ad hominem attacks or you assume that your definitions of political correctness are universally shared, you're probably in the wrong place. 

 

you found my comment to be inappropriate? I'm in the wrong place?...who are you? some faceless guy sitting at his keyboard,

sure I'm in the wrong place, I'm don't want to communicate with the likes of you.

[hugh mckee]

13 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Las Vegas huh?

 

lighting strikes twice?

what's that comment got to do with property but I see no message from senchai so it must after all be appropriate

Edited October 3, 2017 by hugh mckee