Decent good value red wine

[xylophone]

50 minutes ago, superal said:

Had a discussion a while back with  Xylophone who is well informed on wines to whether fruit wine gave the same benefits . He thought that there may be a dilution of the grapes potency . There is no info that I can find on the web to show if there has been tests on fruit wine .

Yes, superal, I do remember our discussion although I can't remember exactly what I said so I hope I'm not contradicting myself here!!!!!

 

Because of this latest thread and the fact it contains a few discussions on the term "fruit wine", I've done a little more looking around and there are couple of factors to take into consideration, the main one being that the percentage of "fruit juice or fruit extract" added to wines will not exceed that of the actual grape content and a few articles I've seen mention around 20%, so the antioxidant benefits inherent within red wine and that which goes to make it shouldn't be unduly affected.

 

Having said that, many dark skinned fruits also have antioxidant benefits, with the likes of blueberries being quite high, so it may be that overall not much changes!

 

There is one "turn up for the book" because when I was researching Montclair (again) there were several articles referring to the fact that Roselle (juice or plant, not sure) was the mystery ingredient, and it turns out that this crop is grown quite extensively in Thailand, and also that it is high in antioxidants! 

 

 

[lungnorm]

2 hours ago, superal said:

One of the reasons I like to drink red wine occasionally is because it is one of the few alcoholic drinks that is good for your health if drank in moderation  , the benefits coming from the grape . Had a discussion a while back with  Xylophone who is well informed on wines to whether fruit wine gave the same benefits . He thought that there may be a dilution of the grapes potency . There is no info that I can find on the web to show if there has been tests on fruit wine .

         Also I have to agree that P.V.  is passable and is fairly popular where I stay in the north east .  

 

The main health benefit of red wine is resveretrol which comes from the skin of the dark grapes and I do not think fruit wine has any grape skin in it.

[xylophone]

14 minutes ago, lungnorm said:

The main health benefit of red wine is resveretrol which comes from the skin of the dark grapes and I do not think fruit wine has any grape skin in it.

Maybe I'm not correct, but I thought the reference to "fruit wines" was to those wines which are labelled that over here, and contain some fruit juice as well as grape juice (or wine made from grapes/grape juice which have had skin contact) If that is the case than there are said to be some health giving benefits to it.

 

In addition, resveratrol although in the main comes from the grape skins, is also present in grape seeds and and indeed the stems which can also be processed with the grapes (some growers more than others). It has to be said that the longer the juice stays in contact with the grape skins, the more resveratrol is extracted.

 

Having said that, if you were lucky enough to have the likes of blueberry, blackcurrant or other similar fruit added to the wine mix, then you would also get some resveratrol from them. And there are other plants which contain resveratrol, although they wouldn't be put into wine as a rule!

 

I did mention the Roselle plant in another post and that seems to have its fair share of anthocyanins of which resveratrol is one and these are generally termed antioxidants, which have health benefits.

 

 

 

 

[superal]

44 minutes ago, lungnorm said:

The main health benefit of red wine is resveretrol which comes from the skin of the dark grapes and I do not think fruit wine has any grape skin in it.

Thanks , good info

[superal]

14 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Maybe I'm not correct, but I thought the reference to "fruit wines" was to those wines which are labelled that over here, and contain some fruit juice as well as grape juice (or wine made from grapes/grape juice which have had skin contact) If that is the case than there are said to be some health giving benefits to it.

 

In addition, resveratrol although in the main comes from the grape skins, is also present in grape seeds and and indeed the stems which can also be processed with the grapes (some growers more than others). It has to be said that the longer the juice stays in contact with the grape skins, the more resveratrol is extracted.

 

Having said that, if you were lucky enough to have the likes of blueberry, blackcurrant or other similar fruit added to the wine mix, then you would also get some resveratrol from them. And there are other plants which contain resveratrol, although they wouldn't be put into wine as a rule!

 

I did mention the Roselle plant in another post and that seems to have its fair share of anthocyanins of which resveratrol is one and these are generally termed antioxidants, which have health benefits.

 

 

 

 

Sounding better & better for fruit wine , it is affordable , many friends drink it regularly . Last year we had a mini wine & cheeses evening & P.V. was the preferred box wine out of 4 choices , sorry fruit wine . Having a mature cheese with red wine is so enjoyable . I had brought a selection back from the UK including mature stilton  . Have to say I quite enjoy the " Vintage Mature Cheddar " from Big C

[xylophone]

1 minute ago, superal said:

Sounding better & better for fruit wine , it is affordable , many friends drink it regularly . Last year we had a mini wine & cheeses evening & P.V. was the preferred box wine out of 4 choices , sorry fruit wine . Having a mature cheese with red wine is so enjoyable . I had brought a selection back from the UK including mature stilton  . Have to say I quite enjoy the " Vintage Mature Cheddar " from Big C

Yes, you are correct in what you say and provided we are talking about the same fruit wine (same stuff as Montclair, Peter Vella, Gossips cask etc) then the difference in health benefits will be minimal.

 

Personally I prefer the cask of Berri Estates red wine amongst all of those which I have tasted, but then again everyone to their own. AND the mention of Stilton has got my mouthwatering, and for me the combination of vintage port and stilton is just orgasmic – – good to know that they now sell Stilton in Makro, or is it?? (Waistline problems perhaps, not to mention having to seek out a bottle of expensive port).

 

Mainland, a New Zealand company, make a couple of nice mature Cheddars, and perhaps that's the one you are talking about?

[Jai Dee]

On 3/7/2017 at 6:06 PM, vsigrist said:

I enjoyed Taras red and white wine from Chile at Mae Rim Lagoon Resort and asked the owner where he had it from. The answer was

 

http://ambrosewine.com/index.html

 

I contacted them, and they sent me a 3 page Excel-list of their offers. Amongst Taras from Chile, they also have Hardy's from Australia, and many more good brands. They have outlets in Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, Samui and Chiang Mai, they deliver to your home, or you can pick up the wines at their outlets or any place in your area upon agreement. I was so excited that I bought 6 boxes of 12 bottles red and white, which will last far into the 2nd semester of this year. I try to attach their price list, which may, however, only reflect wines from their Chiang Mai channel. I believe they don't accept credit cards, thus you must pay cash or transfer the money upon takeover.

Chiangmai Price list 2017_OK.xlsx

That range and those prices are quite reasonable in my opinion, although the NZ wines can be found elsewhere quite cheaper.

[Jai Dee]

Quote

But what is fruit wine, and how does it differ from traditional wine?

According to several importers, fruit wine sold in Thailand is a mixture of grape juice comprising one or more varietals, and juice that’s made from a fruit (often mulberry). There is confusion, however, about the ratio of this mix. Some say it can be as much as 95% grape juice, while others say it is supposed to contain no less than 80% pure grape juice, the rest being fruit concentrate.
     
Because it’s a mixture, fruit wine falls into a lower category of excise duty compared to imported wine. According to official figures, imported wine comprising 100% grapes attracts a duty of 300-400%, whereas local wines (“input locally”) as well as wines made from grapes grown in Thailand carry an excise duty of just 100%.

 

See the full article here.

[xylophone]

8 minutes ago, Jai Dee said:

 

See the full article here.

Makes good reading and I posted it along with other links in post #42.......the other links are also worth a read. The more knowledge we have the better.

[superal]

7 hours ago, xylophone said:

Yes, you are correct in what you say and provided we are talking about the same fruit wine (same stuff as Montclair, Peter Vella, Gossips cask etc) then the difference in health benefits will be minimal.

 

Personally I prefer the cask of Berri Estates red wine amongst all of those which I have tasted, but then again everyone to their own. AND the mention of Stilton has got my mouthwatering, and for me the combination of vintage port and stilton is just orgasmic – – good to know that they now sell Stilton in Makro, or is it?? (Waistline problems perhaps, not to mention having to seek out a bottle of expensive port).

 

Mainland, a New Zealand company, make a couple of nice mature Cheddars, and perhaps that's the one you are talking about?

Man of my same mind ,   cheers 

[Khamtam Sutyoddi]

On 3/7/2017 at 4:37 PM, mike324 said:

If you don't know much about wine, download the vivino app, its free to use. You can scan / take a picture of wine bottle labels and automatically cross references to online database giving you a basic review from consumers. It also gives a basic description regarding to the type of wine / grape.

 

Reading the reviews also gives you a general understanding of the type of wine you are purchasing from reviewers.

Wow that's a great tip thanks!

 

 

[Khamtam Sutyoddi]

On 3/10/2017 at 1:46 PM, xylophone said:

Yes, superal, I do remember our discussion although I can't remember exactly what I said so I hope I'm not contradicting myself here!!!!!

 

Because of this latest thread and the fact it contains a few discussions on the term "fruit wine", I've done a little more looking around and there are couple of factors to take into consideration, the main one being that the percentage of "fruit juice or fruit extract" added to wines will not exceed that of the actual grape content and a few articles I've seen mention around 20%, so the antioxidant benefits inherent within red wine and that which goes to make it shouldn't be unduly affected.

 

Having said that, many dark skinned fruits also have antioxidant benefits, with the likes of blueberries being quite high, so it may be that overall not much changes!

 

There is one "turn up for the book" because when I was researching Montclair (again) there were several articles referring to the fact that Roselle (juice or plant, not sure) was the mystery ingredient, and it turns out that this crop is grown quite extensively in Thailand, and also that it is high in antioxidants! 

 

 

A lot to learn from this thread, thanks mate

[AliasJohn]

Good old Mateus Rose'. Always reliable and refreshing from Villa Market for 650 a bottle. An oldy and very drinkable.

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[xylophone]

12 hours ago, AliasJohn said:

Good old Mateus Rose'. Always reliable and refreshing from Villa Market for 650 a bottle. An oldy and very drinkable.

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Ah yes......remember it well and it was probably responsible for starting off many a wine lover and was certainly one of my first wines. Oh and the bottles were often used for lamps (along with Chianti flask type bottles) and candle holders.........

[xylophone]

On 3/16/2017 at 11:39 AM, Khamtam Sutyoddi said:

A lot to learn from this thread, thanks mate

If you are interested in learning more about wine, then it may be worth your while looking at the Montclair thread on ThaiVisa as there are many posts on that thread by people knowledgeable about wine, some beginners and some old hands and of course you get your usual "disagreements".