Thaksin’s daughter posts video of Songkran blessing

[jayboy]

29 minutes ago, Artisi said:

More like no face to come back. And every day that passes, he slips further away into the forgotten - and that he doesn't like, hence the news beat-ups every so often. But let's face it nearly gone -  and the sooner the better. 

If he is forgotten why are the unelected elites so terrified of him? The rigged constitution is specifically designed to limit the influence of a strong political party.The underlying motivation is the fear of Thaksin's influence, more specifically that the Thai people should challenge the corrupt old military/feudal structures.If a free general election was held now (fat chance) even his enemies recognize that the party associated with Thaksin would triumph.Thaksin is however getting old:in 15 years he will probably be dead.The biggest mistake the ruling elites could make would be to think Thaksin's demise ends their problem.

[Artisi]

4 hours ago, jayboy said:

If he is forgotten why are the unelected elites so terrified of him? The rigged constitution is specifically designed to limit the influence of a strong political party.The underlying motivation is the fear of Thaksin's influence, more specifically that the Thai people should challenge the corrupt old military/feudal structures.If a free general election was held now (fat chance) even his enemies recognize that the party associated with Thaksin would triumph.Thaksin is however getting old:in 15 years he will probably be dead.The biggest mistake the ruling elites could make would be to think Thaksin's demise ends their problem.

Not having analysed the "new" constitution to the enth degree I can't really comment on the role it will play in the near future or until the next coupè, or civil uprising (very unlikely in the land of mai pen rai) - and as a guest,  what I think doesn't count for a rats arse. 

 

But something someday will be resolved and what I see and hear from the average Thai people the majority couldn't care less - so long as they have something to eat and are not required to make any thinking decisions - the reason why someone like Thaksin got to where he did. 

[jayboy]

51 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Not having analysed the "new" constitution to the enth degree I can't really comment on the role it will play in the near future or until the next coupè, or civil uprising (very unlikely in the land of mai pen rai) - and as a guest,  what I think doesn't count for a rats arse. 

 

But something someday will be resolved and what I see and hear from the average Thai people the majority couldn't care less - so long as they have something to eat and are not required to make any thinking decisions - the reason why someone like Thaksin got to where he did. 

May I then with all due respect suggest you study the new constitution and the widely available commentaries on it.I shall ignore your fatuous comments on a civil uprising and the "land of mai pen rai"

 

Why you think political leadership imposed by brute force is better rather than that freely chosen by ballot box is hard to understand.You seem to believe the people of Thailand are not to be trusted since they don't "think." Many find that attitude patronising and contemptible.

 

Still it's wonderful that you have a special insight into the views of average Thais on the current political crisis, all the more so since you haven't bothered to research the key elements of the new constitution, let alone read its contents.

 

[scorecard]

16 hours ago, jayboy said:

 

You ignore the key point made in the Economist article and for that matter by every other serious commentator.Do some research.

You also concede my point in your reply when you say there was an opportunity to get rid of him "without making it political."If you are too dense to grasp the implications of that statement - so be it.


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Your dredging the bottom of the barrel with 'the Economist' article which was years ago and was criticized to hell for it's inaccuracies and lack of balance. 

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[jayboy]

 
Your dredging the bottom of the barrel with 'the Economist' article which was years ago and was criticized to hell for it's inaccuracies and lack of balance. 

There are multiple such opinion pieces as you well know in every international journal.If you have a yearning for an authoritarian state where the majority is held in contempt,so be it.But please don't lie about informed international opinion which has a consensus on the Thai tragedy


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[Artisi]

2 hours ago, jayboy said:

May I then with all due respect suggest you study the new constitution and the widely available commentaries on it.I shall ignore your fatuous comments on a civil uprising and the "land of mai pen rai"

 

Why you think political leadership imposed by brute force is better rather than that freely chosen by ballot box is hard to understand.You seem to believe the people of Thailand are not to be trusted since they don't "think." Many find that attitude patronising and contemptible.

 

Still it's wonderful that you have a special insight into the views of average Thais on the current political crisis, all the more so since you haven't bothered to research the key elements of the new constitution, let alone read its contents.

 

well seems you believe that you are fully up to speed on the average Thai and what they think, and to use freely chosen and ballot box in the one sentence to infer free, honest, and unencumbered by corruption elections is laughable in the extreme.

[Baerboxer]

On 4/16/2017 at 9:50 PM, jayboy said:

 

Do you not see how fatuous your first sentence is? Your school yard taunt about "knowing about" Thailand is bar room talk.As the New York Times recently pointed out much of the discussion about Thaksin is semi hysterical and you are providing plenty of examples of that silliness.




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Don't you ever tire of peddling the same pompous twaddle? 

 

We all know from your copious posts that you read certain newspapers given your love of quoting them as if somehow they are profound gospel. The NYT is pro Thaksin in the same tone it's pro Clinton and pro anyone who pretends to be socialist in outlook. Funny how many very very rich Wall St. connected champagne "socialists" there are to be found in politics who all get  lauded by certain media outlets isn't it. 

 

So what have I wrote that you, and please try and remember that your "we" does only speak for yourself, has found hysterical in reference to Thaksin? Which of the things I've posted do you actually dispute the truth of?

 

 

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

 

There are multiple such opinion pieces as you well know in every international journal.If you have a yearning for an authoritarian state where the majority is held in contempt,so be it.But please don't lie about informed international opinion which has a consensus on the Thai tragedy


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"Consensus on the Thai tragedy" - positively Shakespearean drama queen. Are you a thespian?  

 

Interesting that no government applies any sanctions, and most have continued to build business and cultural relations with Thailand and its current government. USA, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, India, China, Australia and many others continue to send Ministers and develop trade and other relations. 

 

And not one, not a single one, comes out and supports Thaksin, his sister, or their pretend political parties.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, jayboy said:

May I then with all due respect suggest you study the new constitution and the widely available commentaries on it.I shall ignore your fatuous comments on a civil uprising and the "land of mai pen rai"

 

Why you think political leadership imposed by brute force is better rather than that freely chosen by ballot box is hard to understand.You seem to believe the people of Thailand are not to be trusted since they don't "think." Many find that attitude patronising and contemptible.

 

Still it's wonderful that you have a special insight into the views of average Thais on the current political crisis, all the more so since you haven't bothered to research the key elements of the new constitution, let alone read its contents.

 

 

Yes much better to send the opposition home and then have secret votes with illegal multiple voters in the early hours. Democracy Shin style.

[jayboy]

 
Yes much better to send the opposition home and then have secret votes with illegal multiple voters in the early hours. Democracy Shin style.

Bear in mind which party has consistently won general elections with international endorsement.


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[jayboy]

 
"Consensus on the Thai tragedy" - positively Shakespearean drama queen. Are you a thespian?  
 
Interesting that no government applies any sanctions, and most have continued to build business and cultural relations with Thailand and its current government. USA, UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, India, China, Australia and many others continue to send Ministers and develop trade and other relations. 
 
And not one, not a single one, comes out and supports Thaksin, his sister, or their pretend political parties.
 
 

Don't be silly.Nobody had suggested sanctions be applied to Thailand.But only a fool would suggest the Junta has had the same positive international reception as the Yingluck government.China has good relations with every Thai government.


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[Baerboxer]

Just now, jayboy said:

 

 

Bear in mind which party has consistently won general elections with international endorsement.


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Thaksin's party's won elections. And then all went the same way - thinking they were above the law, could do as they please and could bribe, threaten or seemingly worse their way out of any consequences. Not dissimilar to some other  governments and political parties in other SEA countries. 

 

International endorsement - about as meaningful as most UN peacekeeping operations.

[jayboy]

 
Don't you ever tire of peddling the same pompous twaddle? 
 
We all know from your copious posts that you read certain newspapers given your love of quoting them as if somehow they are profound gospel. The NYT is pro Thaksin in the same tone it's pro Clinton and pro anyone who pretends to be socialist in outlook. Funny how many very very rich Wall St. connected champagne "socialists" there are to be found in politics who all get  lauded by certain media outlets isn't it. 
 
So what have I wrote that you, and please try and remember that your "we" does only speak for yourself, has found hysterical in reference to Thaksin? Which of the things I've posted do you actually dispute the truth of?
 
 

Sorry.I don't respond to incoherent paranoia.You'll be waffling on about the Carlyle and Bilderberg Groups next.In any case it's not just the NYT - that Marxist rag! It's every well regarded media outlet.


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[Artisi]

7 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

 

Bear in mind which party has consistently won general elections with international endorsement.


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Have you ever considered international endorsement is just being polite? 

[jayboy]

well seems you believe that you are fully up to speed on the average Thai and what they think, and to use freely chosen and ballot box in the one sentence to infer free, honest, and unencumbered by corruption elections is laughable in the extreme.

Don't be dishonest.It was you that presumed to speak for the average Thai not me.What I said was that if a fair election was held now there's a general consensus on which parties would do well.Hence the need for all the constitution jiggery pokery.


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[Baerboxer]

On 4/17/2017 at 5:37 AM, jayboy said:

 

Because we know from Wikileaks and elsewhere that those powerful unelected elites unhappy with Thaksin's popular support were desperately casting around for a "crime" to pin on him.Even now they look for any way to destroy him and his influence.None of this means he wasn't guilty of offences but by any reasonable definition it's certainly persecution.


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A "crime to pin on him".

 

Hmmm let me see. Let's start with the Krungthai Bank Fraud. Where Thaksin hasn't yet been to court to accept the charges as he's already on the run. But other co-defendants have. And some got 18 years. 

 

How about he comes back and defends that one for starters?

[jayboy]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

A "crime to pin on him".

 

Hmmm let me see. Let's start with the Krungthai Bank Fraud. Where Thaksin hasn't yet been to court to accept the charges as he's already on the run. But other co-defendants have. And some got 18 years. 

 

How about he comes back and defends that one for starters?

Getting a bit desperate now, aren't we? Yes Thaksin needs to account for the KT case.Do you think he would get a fair trial?

[Baerboxer]

6 minutes ago, jayboy said:

Getting a bit desperate now, aren't we? Yes Thaksin needs to account for the KT case.Do you think he would get a fair trial?

 

Desperate - what pointing out a real fraud case where co-defendant's have been tried, convicted and received stiff sentences. How do you equate that to desperate? 

 

He'll get the same fair trial anyone here gets under the existing Thai judicial system.

 

But a damn site fairer than the 3,500 murdered under his war on drugs got. 

[jayboy]

1 minute ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Desperate - what pointing out a real fraud case where co-defendant's have been tried, convicted and received stiff sentences. How do you equate that to desperate? 

 

He'll get the same fair trial anyone here gets under the existing Thai judicial system.

 

But a damn site fairer than the 3,500 murdered under his war on drugs got. 

Goodnight.

[rixalex]

18 hours ago, jayboy said:

Getting a bit desperate now, aren't we? Yes Thaksin needs to account for the KT case.Do you think he would get a fair trial?

In the case of Thaksin (or for that matter pretty much any rich person with power and influence in Thailand) a "fair trial" usually just means a trial in which they are allowed to use that aforementioned power and influence to sway the court's decision in their favour.

 

I have no doubt that in Thaksin's eyes, the rejection of his pastry box bribe was demonstration that that trial was unfair. A fair trial to him would be one such as his assets concealment trial, in which the judges found in his favour as they feared the consequences of doing otherwise.

 

When this is how you define fair and unfair, i suspect the answer to your question may well be "no".

[jayboy]

In the case of Thaksin (or for that matter pretty much any rich person with power and influence in Thailand) a "fair trial" usually just means a trial in which they are allowed to use that aforementioned power and influence to sway the court's decision in their favour.
 
I have no doubt that in Thaksin's eyes, the rejection of his pastry box bribe was demonstration that that trial was unfair. A fair trial to him would be one such as his assets concealment trial, in which the judges found in his favour as they feared the consequences of doing otherwise.
 
When this is how you define fair and unfair, i suspect the answer to your question may well be "no".

I don't disagree with most of what you say.But my question remains - would Thaksin be able to get a fair trial now? The answer is almost certainly not.


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[Artisi]

34 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

I don't disagree with most of what you say.But my question remains - would Thaksin be able to get a fair trial now? The answer is almost certainly not.


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Why not? 

[jayboy]

40 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Why not? 

I'm not in the business of giving you tutorials especially as you can't be bothered to research even basic details - such as the fundamentals of the new constitution.In any case I believe to wax on the biased nature of the Thai judiciary is contrary to forum rules.But there's plenty of information on line.Google  'politicisation of Thai justice" and take it from there.

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, jayboy said:

 

I don't disagree with most of what you say.But my question remains - would Thaksin be able to get a fair trial now? The answer is almost certainly not.


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So you have no issue with Thaksin trying to bribe the judges previously?

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, jayboy said:

I'm not in the business of giving you tutorials especially as you can't be bothered to research even basic details - such as the fundamentals of the new constitution.In any case I believe to wax on the biased nature of the Thai judiciary is contrary to forum rules.But there's plenty of information on line.Google  'politicisation of Thai justice" and take it from there.

 

Had Thaksin not runaway and faced up to the Krungthai Bank Fraud, he would have been in court before the new constitution, before the coup and whilst (probably) one of his own parties were in government with a proxy PM.

 

Although as co-defendants have been convicted and received lengthy sentences maybe his fleeing is for a more obvious reason.

[Artisi]

7 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you have no issue with Thaksin trying to bribe the judges previously?

No, doesn't suit the one track argument. 

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[Stargeezr]

A corrupt billionaire on the run, nice to see him spending some of his fortunes to

survive and stay out of jail.

Geezer

[Dumbastheycome]

[sead]

I dont care of others opinions. That family was and would still be the best choice for this country