TICKS invaded my house

[snowgard]

3 hours ago, Sophon said:

Good that Ivermectin works well for your dogs, but just for the record German Shepherds are one of the breeds that have an increased risk of hypersensitivity to Ivermectin (just like Collies).

 

From http://www.pethealthnetwork.com/dog-health/dog-diseases-conditions-a-z/ivermectin-toxicity-dogs

 

 

Sophon

This list is wrong!!! I live here now for 9 years and the last 8 years my GSD got Ivermec. They must be dead long time.

 

The GSD have no problems about it. A lot of the "WHITE GSD"  have the MDR1 defect and can't use Ivermectin.

But all the PROFESSIONAL DOG FORUMS forget to write WHITE!!!

Google for it as proof!!! And check things like this only on veterinary sites and not this stupid forums.

Proof: https://books.google.co.th/books?id=yDjDr_MLGSsC&pg=PT1613&lpg=PT1613&dq=german+shepherd+dogs+ivermectin&source=bl&ots=Jo4TUTGiJi&sig=VM9EdOr4vYDm1HgVs93m3MRm0E4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjp3Z7AqtXTAhULL48KHTYYB0wQ6AEIiwIwKg#v=onepage&q=german shepherd dogs ivermectin&f=false

Edited May 4, 2017 by snowgard

[Sophon]

11 hours ago, snowgard said:

This list is wrong!!! I live here now for 9 years and the last 8 years my GSD got Ivermec. They must be dead long time.

 

The GSD have no problems about it. A lot of the "WHITE GSD"  have the MDR1 defect and can't use Ivermectin.

But all the PROFESSIONAL DOG FORUMS forget to write WHITE!!!

Google for it as proof!!! And check things like this only on veterinary sites and not this stupid forums.

Proof: https://books.google.co.th/books?id=yDjDr_MLGSsC&pg=PT1613&lpg=PT1613&dq=german+shepherd+dogs+ivermectin&source=bl&ots=Jo4TUTGiJi&sig=VM9EdOr4vYDm1HgVs93m3MRm0E4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjp3Z7AqtXTAhULL48KHTYYB0wQ6AEIiwIwKg#v=onepage&q=german shepherd dogs ivermectin&f=false

You are wrong, the MDR1 gene can be present not just in white GSD's, although it seems to be more prevalent for this type. Your comment about your "your dog must be dead" shows that you have not done your homework, even in the breeds at risk, not all individual dogs have the gene mutation. For GSD's only about 10% of dogs have the gene mutation. Even in collies "only" about 70% of the individual dogs have the gene mutation.

 

You can believe what you want, I am just warning other GSD owners about possible (and potentially lethal) problems with giving their dog Ivermectin. Since you have treated your dogs with the drug for a long time, your dogs obviously don't have the gene mutation.

 

Sophon

Edited May 4, 2017 by Sophon

[sandrabbit]

12 hours ago, cooked said:

Every year around the first time it rains we get questions about ticks, there is already some good advice on this forum.

1. There is NO magic bullet solution to the tick problem.

2. This is MY personal experience and it works for me.

We had a Thai Ridgeback wished on us. I knew nothing about ticks but started to find out when I saw two disgusting creatures going up the wall behind our bed one morning.

We then discovered that the Ridgeback had hundreds of ticks. I'm not exaggerating. These had already spread to the other dogs (we had eight at the time and we had to start the fight. My wife started to get bitten, I was rarely bitten. We discovered the bloody things everywhere in the house, every day.

So, one at a time:

clean the dogs manually every day. I was taking hundreds off the Ridgeback, I could see the eggs on him but couldn't get them out. We did, just by doing this, get the level down.

At the same time I bought a knapsack sprayer and applied Baticol in all the rooms (taking the necessary precautions) as well as under the roof, the dog pound and nearby grass areas.

Tick collars got rid of the fleas but the tick seemed to like them. In fact, the products are supposed to stop the ticks from developing to a stage where they can lay eggs, not kill them. They can still transmit diseases though.

There was a question about Permethrin (look at the contents of cockroach?ant spray, you will see that they contain, usually, at least two other "-thrins. BigC changed the "-thrins" content recently, maybe because of developing immunity of ticks.) The US army uses Permethrin as a mosquito and tick repellent on their uniforms and mosquito nets.

We found injections to be of no use at all, I believe they protect the animal against tick borne diseases, not ticks.

Anyway after three years we are now virtually, touch wood, free of ticks.

Every week the dogs get a bath, Bayticol or "-thrin"-bsaed shampoo, keep changing the product.

The dog pound gets a pressure cleaning every week followed by a mild application of bleach.

Killing ticks: put them in alcohol someone said, are you joking? We had hundreds initially. They get squashed, one by one, on a piece of toilet paper which then goes into the rubbish bag to be disposed of, eggs and all.

 

Do you think that a paid contractor would do all this? Neither do I!

 

I know where you're coming from, bedding in bleach & dettol. (our bedding that is). We put flea-nox powder around our skirting boards as the ticks always seemed to want to go up the wall and congregate in the corners. We never had a problem with eggs because we manually cleaned them everyday and the ticks seemed to like being in the neck area of our golden retrievers. Maybe we'll have to have some sort of sheep dip regime in the future. The collars seemed way too poisonous to me but the latest injection, I'll have to ask the wife, which lasts for 3 months seems a lot better. All ticks get squashed or flushed down the toilet, my wife puts the tissue in the bin and I flush it.

Edited May 4, 2017 by sandrabbit

[cooked]

7 hours ago, sandrabbit said:

I know where you're coming from, bedding in bleach & dettol. (our bedding that is). We put flea-nox powder around our skirting boards as the ticks always seemed to want to go up the wall and congregate in the corners. We never had a problem with eggs because we manually cleaned them everyday and the ticks seemed to like being in the neck area of our golden retrievers. Maybe we'll have to have some sort of sheep dip regime in the future. The collars seemed way too poisonous to me but the latest injection, I'll have to ask the wife, which lasts for 3 months seems a lot better. All ticks get squashed or flushed down the toilet, my wife puts the tissue in the bin and I flush it.

Sheep dip contains Bayticol, which is what we also use. Keep changing the products you use.

I forgot to say that we also use hair clippers on our dogs, very important.

[snowgard]

 

20 hours ago, Sophon said:

You are wrong, the MDR1 gene can be present not just in white GSD's, although it seems to be more prevalent for this type. Your comment about your "your dog must be dead" shows that you have not done your homework, even in the breeds at risk, not all individual dogs have the gene mutation. For GSD's only about 10% of dogs have the gene mutation. Even in collies "only" about 70% of the individual dogs have the gene mutation.

 

You can believe what you want, I am just warning other GSD owners about possible (and potentially lethal) problems with giving their dog Ivermectin. Since you have treated your dogs with the drug for a long time, your dogs obviously don't have the gene mutation.

 

Sophon

 

And from what source are your wisdoms? The source up what made this study with 4.000 dogs says quite clearly: German Shepherd Dogs (white)!!!!

 

 

[snowgard]

Another source show the same:

 

Genetic studies have documented the mdr gene deletion in 10 breeds (7) (Table 2). The gene deletion is widespread in collies, with 30% being homozygous and 40% being heterozygous. Its frequency is much lower in other herding breeds of collie lineage, such as the Shetland sheepdog (8.4% of dogs tested carried the mutation), Old English sheepdog (3.6%), and Australian sheepdog (16.6%). Because of different lineage, the gene deletion has not been found in Border collies, bearded collies, or Australian cattle dogs. The deletion also occurs in 2 sighthound breeds, the longhaired whippet and the silken windhound, with suspicion that the mutation was introduced with Shetland sheepdog crosses. It has also been identified recently in white German shepherd dogs.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1636591/

 

 

[cyberfarang]

On 03/05/2017 at 3:41 PM, nikotin said:

Thx...where can i get Chainrite?Homepro?

Sorry, but you are wrong. Chainnite can prove deadly for your dogs and do not recommend using it.

 

Ticks are passed on into the home by either dogs or cats. Also if you have weeds in your back yard, then cut them down as this is where ticks like to hang out ready to hitch a ride on your dogs. Do you allow your dogs to roam outside your property where they will pick up ticks from other dogs?

 

Only sure way to cure the problem. As I said; cut down any weeds or grass in your back yard. And most important, treat your dogs with Frontline once a month, it`s the only certain method to keep your dogs ticks and fleas free, including during the hot season is to bath your dogs at least once a month, plus to wash any bedding your dogs may use after applying the Frontline.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2017 by cyberfarang

[Get Real]

On 2017-05-04 at 2:19 AM, meatboy said:

you need to GET REAL the wife i have had for over 30yrs.the dog 5yrs.DONT ask me to choose.

love me love my dog.meatboy 

And you were included in that comment in what way?

1. When did I ask anybody to choose?
2. There was another person starting to mentioning a wife I persume, If you wish to drag your wife in to the discussion it´s your choice. Not mine.

Anyway, It´s nice to know that you really know what it is you answer and talk about. Cheers!

[paul18620]

On 04/05/2017 at 6:39 AM, Get Real said:

Sorry to say, but it sounds like you have been having a hard time in your choice of wife. 

at least he has a wife ,bet its more than you have

[Get Real]

2 minutes ago, paul18620 said:

at least he has a wife ,bet its more than you have

As little as you know, the better. Clarified, I have both a wife, a daughter and 2 dogs, 1 rabbit plus 3 birds. All are tick free. Cheers!
Although, if you are trying to ask for advice, and are to shy for it, just ask where you can find one too.

[paul18620]

1 minute ago, Get Real said:

As little as you know, the better. Clarified, I have both a wife, a daughter and 2 dogs, 1 rabbit plus 3 birds. All are tick free. Cheers!
Although, if you are trying to ask for advice, and are to shy for it, just ask where you can find one too.

Your the  last person I would ask advice you now go away please and take care of  the wife, a daughter and 2 dogs, 1 rabbit plus 3 birds you say you have.

 

I take it English isn't your first language since you can't put a sentence together correctly ,or maybe you didn't go to school.

[Get Real]

8 hours ago, paul18620 said:

Your the  last person I would ask advice you now go away please and take care of  the wife, a daughter and 2 dogs, 1 rabbit plus 3 birds you say you have.

 

I take it English isn't your first language since you can't put a sentence together correctly ,or maybe you didn't go to school.

No english is not my first language. Yes I did go to school, and I can almost guarantee that my education is higher than yours and the wallet also bigger.
 

[Dante99]

Wow, guarantee.  <deleted>

[sandrabbit]

On 5/4/2017 at 9:14 AM, ThaiWai said:

I do use it on myself.  Inside and out.  And have a beauty salon also.  If you see how ticks hunt for a host you would discover they love to sit atop tall grass in wait.  Keep all grass that belongs to you trimmed, try to never let pets walk through tall grass and avoid it yourself as well.  When I found my soi/poo khao Lab he had quite a few to the point his blood was infected.  I got him cleaned up and he has never had a tick since.  My Pit had one on her in 9 months.  I bathe them regularly, apply coconut oil to body (also to foot pads for healing and in their food) and keep them from roaming.  Seems to work.  Maybe I just live in an area with few ticks but I doubt it.  Parasites really creep me out so I try to be diligent.  Frontline is crazy expensive where I live and I'm not a fan of chemicals like that on my dogs since they interact with me so much etc. so would not go that route.

 

 

Thanks for the advice, will check it out although I will say i think our dogs get them from lying down on the grass (Malaysian & short) in our garden.

Edited May 6, 2017 by sandrabbit

[nikotin]

UPDATE:

 

Ticks are gone....i used the dog as living ticktrap after treating him with bravecto and now after a few days no more ticks neither in house nor on the dog.

[cooked]

14 hours ago, nikotin said:

UPDATE:

 

Ticks are gone....i used the dog as living ticktrap after treating him with bravecto and now after a few days no more ticks neither in house nor on the dog.

.. except for the eggs of course, than can survive for years in a dormant state,

[nikotin]

18 minutes ago, cooked said:

.. except for the eggs of course, than can survive for years in a dormant state,

Problem for me is that i just do not feel comfortable to spray poison everywhere and the ticks didnt bite me,wife nor daughter,just the dog....so i guess first sign of them coming back treating the dog again with bravecto

 

[cooked]

Just now, nikotin said:

Problem for me is that i just do not feel comfortable to spray poison everywhere and the ticks didnt bite me,wife nor daughter,just the dog....so i guess first sign of them coming back treating the dog again with bravecto

 

I understand. I have a machine containg 40 litres of poison near me now, it's called a motor car, and my wife just polluted the water table by cleaning the toilet and usinf the washing machine. Just take precautions and look on it as just one more facet of modern life (in the tropics)

[Don Mega]

I have dogs so ticks have always been an issue, my dogs are bathed every other week and get a haircut at the salon once a month with an application of frontline at that stage but this year the ticks have been out of control and clearly I had an infestation.

 

Had a local pest control company (pattaya) come by today for the first round of spraying to get rid of em.

 

All furniture moved from walls and a full inspection with a high intensity torch and an infestation was confirmed so the spraying commenced.

 

roll on a few hours and wowzer they were literally coming out off the wood work and have swept up thousands of them.

 

Further treatments will happen in 10 day intervals until it is under control but was advised ticks will always be present. best Bt.2,00 ive ever spent and is nice to not see my dogs constantly scratching.

[wildewillie89]

On 5/9/2017 at 7:22 PM, Don Mega said:

I have dogs so ticks have always been an issue, my dogs are bathed every other week and get a haircut at the salon once a month with an application of frontline at that stage but this year the ticks have been out of control and clearly I had an infestation.

 

Had a local pest control company (pattaya) come by today for the first round of spraying to get rid of em.

 

All furniture moved from walls and a full inspection with a high intensity torch and an infestation was confirmed so the spraying commenced.

 

roll on a few hours and wowzer they were literally coming out off the wood work and have swept up thousands of them.

 

Further treatments will happen in 10 day intervals until it is under control but was advised ticks will always be present. best Bt.2,00 ive ever spent and is nice to not see my dogs constantly scratching.

 

Use Bravecto (750 baht for 3 months)...Frontline just doesn't cut it in Thailand. Bravecto even cured her puppy mange when she was a bit younger within a month, Frontline didnt have any impact. My dog is 100% tick free in a rural area, and her bloods are perfect also due to no bacteria transmission. As she is a guardian dog she will only get bathed once a year (as they have been designed never to be bathed so bathing more often destroys their natural oils). Ticks are not something you want to mess about with. Rickettsia is found in as high as 24% of dogs in some areas of Thailand. Lyme is not officially confirmed but the majority of Thai specialists believe its here and Babesiosis also. Have been confirmed cases of Bartonella. Also many tourists have got diagnosed back home after travelling.

I have just gone through 6 weeks of hell after spending time with a dog other than my own, which three infection specialists now believe was a hard case of Rickettsia (the dog also test positive). I had seizures, a 15 day fever, headaches, vomiting, diarrhea, temors, extreme fatigue and blurred vision, muscle and joint pain, and an enlarged spleen and liver. Had to spend a week in hospital whilst they did every test they could.

Bonus of Bravecto is you dont need all the chemicals that pest control use...think about it, if they are dangerous enough to kill a tick, and we breathe them in....then it is doing some sort of damage. Bravecto is an oral tablet so doesnt matter if the dog gets wet or if we touch the dog  

Edited May 12, 2017 by wildewillie89

[Don Mega]

25 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

 

Use Bravecto (750 baht for 3 months)...Frontline just doesn't cut it in Thailand. Bravecto even cured her puppy mange when she was a bit younger within a month, Frontline didnt have any impact. My dog is 100% tick free in a rural area, and her bloods are perfect also due to no bacteria transmission. As she is a guardian dog she will only get bathed once a year (as they have been designed never to be bathed so bathing more often destroys their natural oils). Ticks are not something you want to mess about with. Rickettsia is found in as high as 24% of dogs in some areas of Thailand. Lyme is not officially confirmed but the majority of Thai specialists believe its here and Babesiosis also. Have been confirmed cases of Bartonella. Also many tourists have got diagnosed back home after travelling.

I have just gone through 6 weeks of hell after spending time with a dog other than my own, which three infection specialists now believe was a hard case of Rickettsia (the dog also test positive). I had seizures, a 15 day fever, headaches, vomiting, diarrhea, temors, extreme fatigue and blurred vision, muscle and joint pain, and an enlarged spleen and liver. Had to spend a week in hospital whilst they did every test they could.

Bonus of Bravecto is you dont need all the chemicals that pest control use...think about it, if they are dangerous enough to kill a tick, and we breathe them in....then it is doing some sort of damage. Bravecto is an oral tablet so doesnt matter if the dog gets wet or if we touch the dog  

Yeah mine are now on Bravecto, pest control guy told me to get an injection and it costs 80b and lasts 2 months but taking 4 dogs to the vet for an injection is a real hassle.

 

Pest control company was needed to sort the infestation and since Tuesday ive swept up off the floor hundreds of females and thousands of males, this morning there was nothing to sweep up.

Edited May 12, 2017 by Don Mega

[wildewillie89]

20 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Yeah mine are now on Bravecto, pest control guy told me to get an injection and it costs 80b and lasts 2 months but taking 4 dogs to the vet for an injection is a real hassle.

 

Pest control company was needed to sort the infestation and since Tuesday ive swept up off the floor hundreds of females and thousands of males, this morning there was nothing to sweep up.

The dog that infected me was on the injection. It lowers the numbers on the body but doesn't kill them off. 

[Don Mega]

37 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

The dog that infected me was on the injection. It lowers the numbers on the body but doesn't kill them off. 

The dog infected you or a tick did ?

 

[wildewillie89]

Just now, Don Mega said:

The dog infected you or a tick did ?

 

The tick from the dog (dog was proven to be positive with blood work also)...quite common here according to the doctors. The cheap injection doesnt do much, is about as effective as Frontline.

[nikotin]

Just an update: After 1 year still not a single tick in the house or on the dog and i only gave bravecto once a year ago

[wildewillie89]

I thought the in-laws had kept up their Bravecto, but I just found out the other day the next dose was due 10 months ago. Also no ticks on the dog (used to be all over her face). I am considering dropping the Bravecto down to every 4 months, rather than 3 months. Thailand isn't the place to do experiments like this but will see how it goes. One of the dogs was just spayed so is inside, by the time she gets back out and not wanting to give Bravecto just before the operation, it will be close to 4 months. 

[nikotin]

4 hours ago, wildewillie89 said:

I thought the in-laws had kept up their Bravecto, but I just found out the other day the next dose was due 10 months ago. Also no ticks on the dog (used to be all over her face). I am considering dropping the Bravecto down to every 4 months, rather than 3 months. Thailand isn't the place to do experiments like this but will see how it goes. One of the dogs was just spayed so is inside, by the time she gets back out and not wanting to give Bravecto just before the operation, it will be close to 4 months. 

It works so radical that i think it is really enough to just use it when the dog has ticks!Its not the most healthiest stuff for the dog

[wildewillie89]

7 hours ago, nikotin said:

It works so radical that i think it is really enough to just use it when the dog has ticks!Its not the most healthiest stuff for the dog

Yes, it isn't that healthy. The problem is up to a quarter of ticks in many provinces here carry either one disease or multiple diseases so if we wait until we find ticks on the dog then the chances of them having already contracted a disease is pretty high. The Rickettsia infections are pretty easy to treat if get onto them early, it is the possible co-infections that worry me more as no quick tests for them. 

[jazcm]

On 5/3/2017 at 12:30 PM, steven100 said:

6 cans of Chainrite and you'll be fine.   Warning :  wear a mask from the Pharmacy.   Don't let the dog or kids near where you sprayed for a few hours.

It's actually spelt Chaindrite - good stuff!!

[passingas]

You probably don't want a bunch of Guinea Hens running around, but apparently they're one of the few predators of ticks. They love eating 'em. pg