JAG Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 12 hours ago, robblok said: If you assume everyone is lying.. without proof.. then what is the point. If this is truly a goverment to goverment deal and we know how the Chinese deal with corruption then its a safe bet not much to no corruption money is paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 :cheesy::clap2:Have you seen how the Chinese deal with corruption ? But this only applies to true gov to gov deals. If there is a middle men things change. But truth be told i would certainly not bet my life on no money being pocketed. But if gov to gov the chance is a lot less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabis Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, robblok said: Have you seen how the Chinese deal with corruption ? But this only applies to true gov to gov deals. If there is a middle men things change. But truth be told i would certainly not bet my life on no money being pocketed. But if gov to gov the chance is a lot less. Do we live on the same planet? :D I find it hard to fathom that anyone would have so much rose tint on their glasses to not see the obvious happening right in front of them. Edited May 7, 2017 by jabis typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 14 hours ago, YetAnother said: "He said he personally thought it was necessary for the country to have submarines " so the leader of this 'probe' has a bias and publicly expresses it Certainly seems that way + that comment about dog in the house..... hand out the tissues cause it's a Happy Ending for the Admiral-in-Charge of the Submarine Fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 35 minutes ago, jabis said: Do we live on the same planet? :D I find it hard to fathom that anyone would have so much rose tint on their glasses to not see the obvious happening right in front of them. Just find the corruption charge punishment in China serious Defendants convicted of “especially serious” offences of graft of between 1.5 million yuan and 3 million yuan, including embezzling disaster relief funds, embezzling money for illegal activities or refusing to hand over illicit funds, could also face the death penalty under the new rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soitis Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Think some Thai officials tried the famous Beijiu, went to KTV and signed the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue bruce Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Whatever happened to the buses made in China but purchas ed from Malaysia . Swept under the carpet as will the submarine deal. Shouldn't the auditors probe be started before the procurement? ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabis Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Just now, Blue bruce said: Whatever happened to the buses made in China but purchas ed from Malaysia . Swept under the carpet as will the submarine deal. Shouldn't the auditors probe be started before the procurement? ? ? They're being scrapped and the company purchasing (and evading tax) went bankrupt x) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 a confidential government to government deal between the military of 2 authoritarian regimes, ... no room for corruption there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 17 hours ago, rooster59 said: The submarines would come with four torpedos offered by the Chinese wow, that must have sealed the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, robblok said: Just find the corruption charge punishment in China serious Defendants convicted of “especially serious” offences of graft of between 1.5 million yuan and 3 million yuan, including embezzling disaster relief funds, embezzling money for illegal activities or refusing to hand over illicit funds, could also face the death penalty under the new rules. Yes, but it usually happens only to those belonging the CP faction opposed to the one in power. No similarity with the way it happens in Thailand. Well, ahem, forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadeeken Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 I 'still say'............ buy more schools and colleges.... NOT Submarines........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve williams Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) Those that try to find the corruption in the deal won't find it.......and that's not where the money is i would be looking at who has won the contract to build the naval bases the sub pens dry docks the accomodation the parts supply the maintance contracts on the infastrucure because all that has 7 years prior to the arrival and then these subs will see 20-25 years service so that 32 years to make a lot of money Edited May 7, 2017 by steve williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomacht8 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 That goverments wasting taxpayers ' money is not a new thing. But the whole thing does not make any sense in any military strategy. 30 billion baht + follow up costs for nothing. Surprising how Thailand could get along without submarines for 60 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said: How can people pilot a sub who cant lay down a concrete driveway without dogs and children treading in it before it sets. Then never to be fixed 29 years so we get to look at the results like dinosaurs footprints forever? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk erm actually im in the process and I admit "amazingly" found some half decent workers at 80bahtm2 for polished finish.......350m2 being done..............they only do gas station forecourts so have at least some idea how to do it pretty well Edited May 7, 2017 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 hour ago, tomacht8 said: That goverments wasting taxpayers ' money is not a new thing. But the whole thing does not make any sense in any military strategy. 30 billion baht + follow up costs for nothing. Surprising how Thailand could get along without submarines for 60 years. "think" they are masters of Asia, now with them they will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 9 hours ago, candide said: Yes, but it usually happens only to those belonging the CP faction opposed to the one in power. No similarity with the way it happens in Thailand. Well, ahem, forget about it. I have read that corruption dropped a lot since these measures, if you are saying its selective then I will have to take your word for it as I am not knowledgeable about Chinese politics. I have not read much about it at all. I am amazed you have found stuff about it in the press I thought they would be real tight lipped about stuff like that over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farang99 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 On 07/05/2017 at 5:15 AM, rooster59 said: In an exclusive interview with The Nation, Pisit said that the office’s priority in conducting the probe was to evaluate whether the Yuan-class S26T submarine’s specifications would actually meet the Navy’s expectations as stipulated in its long-term strategy. As these are deep water machines and totally inappropriate for the RTN's function of patrolling Thailand's coastal waters it is obvious to most observers that they are in no way suitable. These are full on obsolete battlewagons, useful only in a war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 If it is a G2G deal I wonder why their have to be 17 payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, MobileContent said: If it is a G2G deal I wonder why their have to be 17 payments. It would be rather foolish to think that the government will be handling the transaction. Government is not a trading enterprise. The purchase would rather be done by the trading arm of the government. The submarine manufacturer will probably be very much involved and so will be the auxiliary weaponries and spare parts from other manufacturers. Then the logistic of moving the submarine in-land and off-shore. Maybe that account for the 17 payment and lots of brown envelopes greasing the palms along the way. Just my morning thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 need something to protect the aircraft carrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 4 hours ago, robblok said: I have read that corruption dropped a lot since these measures, if you are saying its selective then I will have to take your word for it as I am not knowledgeable about Chinese politics. I have not read much about it at all. I am amazed you have found stuff about it in the press I thought they would be real tight lipped about stuff like that over there. This one is the most famous: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-24170726 Sarcasm apart, it is probably true that corruption dropped. For example, the government has controlled and reduced the use of business lunches and other presents to civil servants. As a results, sales of Remy Martin have gone down. That's a reliable indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 8 hours ago, Eric Loh said: It would be rather foolish to think that the government will be handling the transaction. Government is not a trading enterprise. The purchase would rather be done by the trading arm of the government. The submarine manufacturer will probably be very much involved and so will be the auxiliary weaponries and spare parts from other manufacturers. Then the logistic of moving the submarine in-land and off-shore. Maybe that account for the 17 payment and lots of brown envelopes greasing the palms along the way. Just my morning thoughts. Yes exactly Eric by 17 installments their is a lot of brown envelopes involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 On 07/05/2017 at 2:19 AM, Ricardo said: If it only comes "with four torpedos offered by the Chinese state factory", what do the navy do, once they've fired them as part of testing or training ? And if "the submarine purchase deal was genuinely between the governments of Thailand and China", why wasn'tt it signed by a proper Thai government official, say a Defence Minister or some such, rather than a serving naval officer ? It was also not signed by a Chinese government's representative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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