Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[EvenSteven]

The West Wing and some in the president’s inner circle have begun to dread the possibility of impeachment.  The Hillary deflections and attacks on Mueller's credibility have not worked.  And Trump is hovering around 33% in the polls.  The talk has now begun about how to play out Trump’s endgame.

Edited November 2, 2017 by EvenSteven

[heybruce]

23 minutes ago, amvet said:

Once a spook always a spook.  I wouldn't trust any of them Russian or British or Israeli.  Anyway the law does not make a distinction between allies and not allies it says foreign governments/agents.  Who is friendly changes daily and depends in the direction of the wind.

The law does make a distinction between hiring investigators, including those with government experience, and soliciting a foreign government for material useful for an election. What the DNC did is legal, what the Trump campaign is being investigated for, collusion with a foreign government to influence an election, is not legal.

[beechguy]

Just now, EvenSteven said:

The West Wing and some in the president’s inner circle have begun to dread the possibility of impeachment.  The Hillary deflections have not worked.  And Trump is hovering around 33% in the polls.  The talk has now begun about how to play out Trump’s endgame.

I didn't realize that 33% in the polls was a threshold for impeachment.

[Slip]

1 minute ago, beechguy said:

My opinion is based on logic, Hillary didn't have any qualms about throwing Bernie under the bus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/brazile-hillary-rigged-dnc-against-bernie/ar-AAumfqZ?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

Personally, I think there is plenty of dirt on all sides. If we're going to take investigations seriously, then let's go ahead and add Debbie Wasserman-Shcultz to the list with her Pakistani IT guy. Not to mention the Podesta brothers, etc.

Prosecute criminals regardless of their political persuasion?  Now there is something we should all be able to get behind.  Hillary can get hers in the fullness of time.  For now that orange lunatic and his minions are the  clear and present danger.  This is actually the one thing I don't understand about US politics- in a situation where you have 2 appalling candidates, be sure to choose the worst one?

[EvenSteven]

5 minutes ago, beechguy said:

I didn't realize that 33% in the polls was a threshold for impeachment.

When did 33% save anyone?  Trump needs to be saved, and no one in the Congress who's seat would be at risk in Nov. 2018 would align themselves with him now, if he makes it that far.

Edited November 2, 2017 by EvenSteven

[amvet]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The law does make a distinction between hiring investigators, including those with government experience, and soliciting a foreign government for material useful for an election. What the DNC did is legal, what the Trump campaign is being investigated for, collusion with a foreign government to influence an election, is not legal.

"There's this strong public policy historically that prohibits paying a foreign national or receiving anything of value from a foreign national in a U.S. campaign," Mitchell said. "If it involves an amount over $25,000 and it's knowing and willful, it's a felony."

 

"Foreign nationals are prohibited under 2 USC 441e from directly or indirectly making any kind of contribution, disbursement, expenditure or independent expenditure in our elections," he said. "If you look at the FEC regulation on this,11 CFR 110.20, it explains this statute in great detail. If a campaign is involved in soliciting such participation, they are violating the law."

 

The committees spent money to hire an opposition research firm," he said. "However, there is no payment that describes having done so. The law requires such disclosure on reports filed with the FEC

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/did-hillary-clinton-break-the-law-hiring-trump-dossier-author/article/2638647

 

[beechguy]

5 minutes ago, EvenSteven said:

When did 33% save anyone?  Trump needs to be saved, and no one in the Congress who's seat would be at risk in Nov. 2018 would align themselves with him now, if he makes it that far.

He doesn't need to be saved. Unless he dies, or they can throw enough crap against the wall and make it stick, he can be in office for 3 more years. In the mean time, he already has gotten Flake and Corker to retire after their current terms, Mccain may not last his current term. With any luck, maybe we can get rid of McConnell, and let's work on Pelosi, Feinstein, and Schummer.

[heybruce]

12 minutes ago, amvet said:

Nothing but hypothesis and supposition.  Nothing presented as facts.  They don't know who did anything or what the results were.  You should include some statements of fact to match your post. 

Plenty of factual examples of fake news stories designed to mislead targeted groups.  Strong suspicion they originated from Russia, but I'm sure the source was carefully disguised.  However sometimes information does leak out.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/17/russian-troll-factory-activists-protests-us-election

 

Interesting that you use make bold claims about the DNC paying Russia for dirt, but take a highly skeptical view on Russia's well documented use of social media against foreign governments.

[boomerangutang]

13 minutes ago, amvet said:

Robert Mueller is investigating Trump for a possible impeachment offense.  

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigators met this past summer with the former British spy whose dossier on alleged Russian efforts to aid the Trump campaign spawned months of investigations that have hobbled the Trump administration.

CNN has learned that the FBI and the US intelligence community last year took the Steele dossier more seriously than the agencies have publicly acknowledged.

The committee cannot really decide the credibility of the dossier without understanding things like, who paid for it? Who are your sources and sub-sources?

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/special-counsel-russia-dossier-christopher-steele/index.html

Who paid for the Steele's dossier is secondary.  But if it makes you feel better, a hard-core  Republican first paid for it.  Later, some Democrats paid for it, but get this: THE DEMS DIDN'T USE ANY OF IT AGAINST TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN.   The Dems have a weird habit of running decent campaigns which don't rely on spiteful attacks on their opponents.  Republicans are the polar opposite.  Their entire campaigns rely on vindictiveness fueled by lies.  Roger Stone is the poster boy for dirty tricks/campaigns, and Manafort has been right there by his side for over a decade.  And guess who those two dirty tricksters worked for recently?   Yup, ......Trump the Divider in Chief.

 

The primary reason Steele's dossier is important IS FOR WHAT IT CONTAINS and whether it's true info.  Thus far, many things that can be verified (in the dossier) have been verified by FBI and others.   

 

The pee pee issues haven't yet been verified, because the prostitutes who were involved won't talk.  Were they paid not to talk?  Were they threatened with harm?  We don't know.   The hotel staff probably know (whether they had to trash a mattress in the suite, etc), but apparently they aren't talking either.    Either way, if such things exist, it's great leverage for Putin over Trump, ....and would explain why Trump is completely incapable of saying anything non-praising about Putin or Russia.  

 

 

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, amvet said:

"There's this strong public policy historically that prohibits paying a foreign national or receiving anything of value from a foreign national in a U.S. campaign," Mitchell said. "If it involves an amount over $25,000 and it's knowing and willful, it's a felony."

 

"Foreign nationals are prohibited under 2 USC 441e from directly or indirectly making any kind of contribution, disbursement, expenditure or independent expenditure in our elections," he said. "If you look at the FEC regulation on this,11 CFR 110.20, it explains this statute in great detail. If a campaign is involved in soliciting such participation, they are violating the law."

 

The committees spent money to hire an opposition research firm," he said. "However, there is no payment that describes having done so. The law requires such disclosure on reports filed with the FEC

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/did-hillary-clinton-break-the-law-hiring-trump-dossier-author/article/2638647

 

From your source:

 

"Others doubt Mitchell's legal interpretation, however, including Rick Hasen, a University of California at Irvine law professor and founder of the Election Law Blog.

"The law prohibits accepting contributions from foreigners or providing substantial assistance to foreigners in making independent expenditures," Hasen said. "It does not prohibit paying foreigners at market value to perform services.""

 

There are also differing opinions on whether the funding of this research was accurately described when it was labeled "legal services".  If the justice department wants to slap somebody on the wrist for that, I'm ok with it.

[Slip]

4 minutes ago, beechguy said:

He doesn't need to be saved. Unless he dies, or they can throw enough crap against the wall and make it stick, he can be in office for 3 more years. In the mean time, he already has gotten Flake and Corker to retire after their current terms, Mccain may not last his current term. With any luck, maybe we can get rid of McConnell, and let's work on Pelosi, Feinstein, and Schummer.

Despite the best hopes of the Rebels, I think your summation of the Empire's situation is pretty fair.

[EvenSteven]

10 minutes ago, amvet said:

"There's this strong public policy historically that prohibits paying a foreign national or receiving anything of value from a foreign national in a U.S. campaign," Mitchell said. "If it involves an amount over $25,000 and it's knowing and willful, it's a felony."

 

"Foreign nationals are prohibited under 2 USC 441e from directly or indirectly making any kind of contribution, disbursement, expenditure or independent expenditure in our elections," he said. "If you look at the FEC regulation on this,11 CFR 110.20, it explains this statute in great detail. If a campaign is involved in soliciting such participation, they are violating the law."

 

The committees spent money to hire an opposition research firm," he said. "However, there is no payment that describes having done so. The law requires such disclosure on reports filed with the FEC

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/did-hillary-clinton-break-the-law-hiring-trump-dossier-author/article/2638647

 

Your guilty of misrepresentation.  The article you cite refutes exactly what you are trying to claim.  Let me help you out:

 

"Others doubt Mitchell's legal interpretation, however, including Rick Hasen, a University of California at Irvine law professor and founder of the Election Law Blog.

 

"The law prohibits accepting contributions from foreigners or providing substantial assistance to foreigners in making independent expenditures," Hasen said. "It does not prohibit paying foreigners at market value to perform services."

 

Jan Baran, an attorney and election law expert at Wiley Rein LLP who has argued several cases before the Supreme Court, said he also knew of no law banning campaigns from hiring foreigners."

 

 

[Slip]

1 minute ago, EvenSteven said:

Your guilty of misrepresentation.  The article you cite refutes exactly what you are trying to claim.  Let me help you out:

 

"Others doubt Mitchell's legal interpretation, however, including Rick Hasen, a University of California at Irvine law professor and founder of the Election Law Blog.

 

"The law prohibits accepting contributions from foreigners or providing substantial assistance to foreigners in making independent expenditures," Hasen said. "It does not prohibit paying foreigners at market value to perform services."

 

Jan Baran, an attorney and election law expert at Wiley Rein LLP who has argued several cases before the Supreme Court, said he also knew of no law banning campaigns from hiring foreigners."

 

 

And not for the first time even this evening.  Some posters seem to have a problem with not reading their own links, or at least assuming others don't read them.

[EvenSteven]

Just released this morning: the AP has revealed the widespread influence and scope of Russia in the 2016 US election and beyond.

 

https://apnews.com/3bca5267d4544508bb523fa0db462cb2/Hit-list-exposes-Russian-hacking-beyond-US-elections

Edited November 2, 2017 by EvenSteven

[EvenSteven]

Prior to the election, Obama administration officials privately asked senior congressional officials in both parties to show a united front against Russian sabotage, but Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) refused, claiming (in The Post’s words) that “he would consider any effort by the White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.”

 

Was Mitch McConnell in the know here?  Was he complicit in Trump's collusion with Russia to influence the election?

[EvenSteven]

40 minutes ago, beechguy said:

He doesn't need to be saved. Unless he dies, or they can throw enough crap against the wall and make it stick, he can be in office for 3 more years. In the mean time, he already has gotten Flake and Corker to retire after their current terms, Mccain may not last his current term. With any luck, maybe we can get rid of McConnell, and let's work on Pelosi, Feinstein, and Schummer.

If you don't think Trump needs help from Congress, you can bet your rubles on the 33% and I'll bet my greenbacks on the 67%.

Edited November 2, 2017 by EvenSteven

[beechguy]

19 minutes ago, EvenSteven said:

If you don't think Trump needs help from Congress, you can bet your rubles on the 33% and I'll bet my greenbacks on the 67%.

He will get help when needed, those Senators and Congressman still have to answer for their votes.

[Andaman Al]

1 minute ago, beechguy said:

He will get help when needed, those Senators and Congressman still have to answer for their votes.

Fortunately for the United States there are some Congressmen and Senators that realise that they have to vote in accordance with the needs of their electorate and the country and that  they must not vote blindly for partisan politics when it means supporting an imbecile in the oval office.  Some of them are thankfully putting country before party, and those that don't should be ashamed.

[beechguy]

16 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Fortunately for the United States there are some Congressmen and Senators that realise that they have to vote in accordance with the needs of their electorate and the country and that  they must not vote blindly for partisan politics when it means supporting an imbecile in the oval office.  Some of them are thankfully putting country before party, and those that don't should be ashamed.

What would they be voting on blindly, in the name of partisan politics? Illegal immigration. taxes, health care, affect all of us.

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

Roger Stone is the poster boy for dirty tricks/campaigns, and Manafort has been right there by his side for over a decade. 

 

As early as the 1980s, as per this 1985 pic.

 

 

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

The pee pee issues haven't yet been verified

[...]

Either way, if such things exist, it's great leverage for Putin over Trump,

 

Truly amazing how so much of this is straight out of John LeCarre's Cold War-era novels.  They caught DT passing on classified info to the Russians, right there in the Oval Office, using the same gambit with which the British Intelligence mole was caught in "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy."  (The caught it within minutes of the meeting's end.)  And then there's the compromising pictures taken in brothels, gentlemen's club, bath houses etc.

 

But really, the pee-pee tape may get headlines and laughs but it won't hurt his fan following.  He can throw his wife (or any other family member) off the roof of his golden tower and that solid 35% will not budge.  Probably the old things he could do to lose his following would be to give a cabinet post to Hillary or Obama -- that's the red meat for the rabble.

 

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.  

 

Edit:   Off-topic post also removed.  

[EvenSteven]

2 hours ago, beechguy said:

He will get help when needed, those Senators and Congressman still have to answer for their votes.

He is?  How has that worked out so far?

[beechguy]

2 minutes ago, EvenSteven said:

He is?  How has that worked out so far?

He didn't get the votes he wanted yet, but he still has done something beneficial. He exposed Corker, Mccain, Flake, and others for what they actually are. We already pretty much knew who needed to go on the Democrat side, Schummer, Pelosi, etc. With any luck, he'll get to appoint another Supreme Court Justice, or two.

[EvenSteven]

13 minutes ago, beechguy said:

He didn't get the votes he wanted

lmao.  I rest my case!

[beechguy]

19 minutes ago, EvenSteven said:

lmao.  I rest my case!

What case? You didn't really think everything was going to get fixed the first year did you? If you haven't noticed, there a lot of butt hurt Hillary supporters, that haven't accepted her defeat nearly a year later.

[alocacoc]

Broadcom's move to America=$20 BILLION of annual rev into U.S.A., $3+ BILLION/yr. in research/engineering & $6 BILLION/yr. in manufacturing.

 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/926185468911382529

 

MAGA.

Edited November 2, 2017 by alocacoc

[EvenSteven]

2 hours ago, beechguy said:

5 hours ago, beechguy said:

He will get help when needed

He didn't get the votes he wanted

Too funny.  Next.

 

 

 

Edited November 2, 2017 by EvenSteven

[EvenSteven]

Officials in the WH are already preparing for his possible impeachment.  They all have retained their own lawyers.

 

https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/even-trumps-inner-circle-admit-his-presidency-may-be-doomed

[beechguy]

10 minutes ago, EvenSteven said:

Too funny.  Next.

 

 

 

So I take it you're one those heart broken Hillary supporters?