Basil B Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 hours ago, pegman said: 4am? How the hell long does it take to get a ballot count in 2017? In Canada we have 6 time zones and get it done from start to finish quicker. We still use pencil and paper. One constituency up in Scotland, SNP won by two votes, just wonder how many recounts? They must have been really arguing over "spoiled" papers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnyo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Excuses for a correction? Disappointing, yes, but 2015 was not the norm. Admission time - I predicted a loss of around 6 seats, not 20. Still, add up all the other parties in Scotland and they fail to match the number of SNP MPs. I can accept that - even be grateful for the counter to SNP dominance (hopefully they will up their game, moving forward) but I am struggling to accept that so many fellow Scots could bring themselves to vote Tory.Agree if only those seats had gone to the SNP or labour Tories would never have been able to form a government...only disappointment of the night.Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: Excuses for a correction? Disappointing, yes, but 2015 was not the norm. Admission time - I predicted a loss of around 6 seats, not 20. Still, add up all the other parties in Scotland and they fail to match the number of SNP MPs. I can accept that - even be grateful for the counter to SNP dominance (hopefully they will up their game, moving forward) but I am struggling to accept that so many fellow Scots could bring themselves to vote Tory. Do you think they voted Tory because they are not interested in separation from the Union? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said: I suspect you're right. But at least it looks a hard Brexit is out. Staying in the single market with freedom of movement, will be some compensation for the disastrous referendum decision. That will depend on what the party in Westminster, and the Bureacrats in Brussels think is the reason why the vote has gone against expectations. Just, maybe they'll come to a different conclusion as yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, nausea said: I like Tim Farron's comment : "Maybe now politicians will learn that calling referendums or elections to suit your party rather than the country is something to be avoided". May was (IMO) right in calling for a GE, as it was v clear that the vast majority of politicians would fight 'tooth and nail' against brexit. Which is why I'm left in disbelief that she would come out with the 'dementia tax' policy during the campaign! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnyo Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 That will depend on what the party in Westminster, and the Bureacrats in Brussels think is the reason why the vote has gone against expectations. Just, maybe they come to a different conclusion as yourself.One thing is for sure, she said she was calling this election to get a mandate for Brexit. She didn't get that. She ignored the 48 % for a year and this is the price she paid.Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Looks like Scotland has put the boot in regarding the SNP breaking up the Union.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Latest: TM not resigning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 38 minutes ago, citybiker said: The forthcoming news media interviews will be interesting. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Not really. I've seen the odd Labour party MP (who was trying to get rid of Corbyn) completely avoiding this point and just talking about 'we have the best policies' etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, thaibeachlovers said: Sadly, life is usually not logical, and people make bad choices based on emotional reasons. Had I been living in the UK still and been able to vote, I would have voted for someone else just because I don't like May. Would that have been exercising the infamous 'protest' vote? This was arguably what helped Trump into power. IMHO it's almost as bad as the none-vote which was possibly a contributory factor in the 'surprise' Brexit result. Similarly, I think there should be some action on 'tactical voting' where parties willfully option not to field a candidate as they consider they would only split the vote and increase the chances of the party they see as least desirable. Do your job, try and be the representative of the people that you want to be and not subscribe to this gerrymandering by vote. Coming from a family of traditional (Scottish) Conservative voters, when I cast my first ever vote in 2015, I went with family tradition. This year, despite the fact that I don't particularly like Labour or Jeremy Corbyn, I voted Labour because there were two things on their manifesto that could have a direct impact on me, my family and our current plans. The Conservatives had nothing to offer and an earlier comment on the irony of them gaining seats in Scotland indicates that a generation has indeed passed and the imposition and neglect of the Thatcher years north of the border has been mostly forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: May was (IMO) right in calling for a GE, as it was v clear that the vast majority of politicians would fight 'tooth and nail' against brexit. Which is why I'm left in disbelief that she would come out with the 'dementia tax' policy during the campaign! That is because career politicians probably think they are invincible. Had Thatcher not tried to impose a poll tax she would be remembered as a great stateswoman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, Nurseynutcase said: You forgot to mention he squillions squandered on various computer systems that did not work efficiently or were able to talk to each other. I know this as i had to endure it. Gutted that TM did not get a majority Governments and those in a position to give jobs to their friends come up with 'rules' to ensure this happens... We all know this and are obviously powerless to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 34 minutes ago, nausea said: I like Tim Farron's comment : "Maybe now politicians will learn that calling referendums or elections to suit your party rather than the country is something to be avoided". So says the no-hope leader of the no-hope Lib Dems and pathetic, last-minute proponent of tactical voting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilymat Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, Johnyo said: Agree if only those seats had gone to the SNP or labour Tories would never have been able to form a government...only disappointment of the night. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Yep. Watched it right through. Who would have believed the Scots would keep the Tories in power by the skin of their teeth, in order to do a deal with the Irish DUP!. I know it's churlish, but I have this sneaking feeling that Labour might have won with a different leader - although I accept the JC team ran a good campaign and the Tories were rubbish. I only speculate in my mind that a large number of potential Labour voters could not envisage JC in No10 and held their nose when voting Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: May was (IMO) right in calling for a GE, as it was v clear that the vast majority of politicians would fight 'tooth and nail' against brexit. Which is why I'm left in disbelief that she would come out with the 'dementia tax' policy during the campaign! It was arrogance, sheer arrogance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Sadly, life is usually not logical, and people make bad choices based on emotional reasons. Had I been living in the UK still and been able to vote, I would have voted for someone else just because I don't like May. And the biggest emotional vote and bad choice was Brexit itself. A completely unnecessary referendum that has given us all a year of political chaos ... with many more years of chaos to come. And for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, pegman said: Because they found their rightful home with a party that will put up a fight for them. Your obviously not British. As you don't know how British politics work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, NanLaew said: Would that have been exercising the infamous 'protest' vote? This was arguably what helped Trump into power. IMHO it's almost as bad as the none-vote which was possibly a contributory factor in the 'surprise' Brexit result. Similarly, I think there should be some action on 'tactical voting' where parties willfully option not to field a candidate as they consider they would only split the vote and increase the chances of the party they see as least desirable. Do your job, try and be the representative of the people that you want to be and not subscribe to this gerrymandering by vote. Coming from a family of traditional (Scottish) Conservative voters, when I cast my first ever vote in 2015, I went with family tradition. This year, despite the fact that I don't particularly like Labour or Jeremy Corbyn, I voted Labour because there were two things on their manifesto that could have a direct impact on me, my family and our current plans. The Conservatives had nothing to offer and an earlier comment on the irony of them gaining seats in Scotland indicates that a generation has indeed passed and the imposition and neglect of the Thatcher years north of the border has been mostly forgotten. Yes. In Trump's case, he won because middle America did not like her, and even a lot of Dems stayed home ( perhaps because they found out Bernie was stabbed in the back by the DNC ). Had Bernie stood, IMO he would have won by a landslide. Protest- yes indeed. However, IMO I will be screwed by whatever party is in power. I'm just a little person, so not worth worrying about. For that reason I'll vote protest every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 39 minutes ago, pegman said: Because they found their rightful home with a party that will put up a fight for them. Do you honestly believe this? The Labour party MPs did their best to get rid of Corbyn! But of course its always possible that they will suddenly turn into non blairite socialists and become proper socialists again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, AlexRich said: And the biggest emotional vote and bad choice was Brexit itself. A completely unnecessary referendum that has given us all a year of political chaos ... with many more years of chaos to come. And for what? The chance to stick it in the eye of unelected arrogant Euro bureaucracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuamRudy Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Looks like Scotland has put the boot in regarding the SNP breaking up the Union....Well, the pro-union parties collectively managed to get 24 seats while the nats got 35 - hardly a ringing endorsement for the union. But I will agree that we need to work harder to ensure we manage to get out of the union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: ... but I am struggling to accept that so many fellow Scots could bring themselves to vote Tory. I am with you on that. But if your look at the multicolored who-won-what map of Scotland, the new-found blue areas are the ones that were almost traditionally blue before the SNP upset the apple cart; the north east and the southern uplands. There's still a broad swath of SNP yellow across the central lowlands which was traditionally the Labour strongholds. That would suggest that Kezia Dugdale and Scottish Labour are still not up to speed. Understandable if you consider that May called this snap election two years early and essentially forced the other parties on the back-foot where the team writing the 'four year plan' hastily changed to writing impromptu, flawed election manifesto's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Why do you say a victory for young people?Because the record numbers of young voters were predominantly Labour. Shame they didn't vote in the same numbers in the referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 19 minutes ago, Johnyo said: One thing is for sure, she said she was calling this election to get a mandate for Brexit. She didn't get that. She ignored the 48 % for a year and this is the price she paid. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app The opinion polls during the last six weeks, lead me to think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The fact was TM went to the polls to increase her majority because she had too many dissenters in her own party and would not have got a hard Brexit through, now she is even in a harder situation as her only possible bed partners (the DUP) will want us to remain inside the customs union. Now 314 and with only 5 seats to declare she has possible 319 with the DUP 10 that makes 329... and given Sinn Fein's 7 vacant seats that'8 MP's can not or will not vote or 4 vote against her, hardly a working majority, what worse is already one of her MP's is being prosecuted for election fraud an so many seats targeted election expenses will be heavily scrutinised by opposing parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinchester Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Nurseynutcase said: You forgot to mention he squillions squandered on various computer systems that did not work efficiently or were able to talk to each other. I know this as i had to endure it. Gutted that TM did not get a majority The Tories will have a majority for all intents and purposes. Sinn Fein members do not vote in Parliament, neither does the Speaker of the House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said: Well, the pro-union parties collectively managed to get 24 seats while the nats got 35 - hardly a ringing endorsement for the union. But I will agree that we need to work harder to ensure we manage to get out of the union. Perhaps voters are not daft, if breaking up the union was high on their agenda l reckon it would have shown up here to give the SNP leverage...The vote was totally the opposite.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orac Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Latest: TM not resigning. Given her recent record on u-turns that probably means she will be gone by sundown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddavidovsky Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 The hysteria is bizarre. The Tories are significantly ahead and only need the smallest of coalition partnerships to get the majority - DUP will do it. Labour gains are surprising though. Has there been any analysis as to whether the swung seats have significant immigrant populations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: The chance to stick it in the eye of unelected arrogant Euro bureaucracy. Just like sticking it to an arrogant right wing Tory party? But what's the point in shooting yourself in the foot with a "hard Brexit"? Now we'll have a poor Brexit deal, and if we stay in the single market and customs union we will have freedom of movement. And perhaps ... just perhaps, we might end up back in the EU ... my preferred outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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