little mary sunshine Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Irresponsible, invincible young people lots of Booz and drugs.....look for Justice, ...look at behavior!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 26 minutes ago, bander said: Didn't the RTP find any Burmese migrant scrap goats this time? I bet Burmese avoid Kho Tao after the last "investigation". they only need scape goats when it is blindingly obvious it was murder, always better to have murder/rape victims just disappear without a trace - no body no foul, they are learning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2017/06/14/murder-case-evidence-mishandled/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 and .out come the usual lot to insist they know more than everyone else about a place they've never been to..5.4.3.2.1...thread locked!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan B Tong Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Define justice Just crowd fund and get a website and a bank account for donations and come over here. High season would be nice, but mind your head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crustyhk Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I spent a few days there in 2015. Knowing what I know now I feel quite lucky to still be alive. The place has a seedy inbred "deliverance" feel about it which is covered up by false smiles. It's like the Thais all know what's going on and look on tourists as fodder for someone's sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 minute ago, jenifer d said: ALL islands here are mafia controlled, but most are not nearly as precariously dangerous as Koh Tao thats correct jenifer ... if anybody goes there they will not come out alive !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crustyhk Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Mafia BS. Mafia do not murder tourists. Mafia might be running the island but they don't murder people who have done them no wrong. Locals and police know exactly who is behind these deaths and they're scared shirtless to say anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 yeah...make sure to avoid Koh Tao......come to the 'safe' places!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) avoid Koh Tao...go to the safer areas........oh wait!!! look , 2 different headlines from bloody koh tao...oh wait!!!....the luke miller story is 18 months old now...... Edited June 15, 2017 by frank83628 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metapod Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I knew Nick personally (other guy mentioned in the article) and it is absolutely terrible what happened to him. I wouldn't step foot on that island ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLobster Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Usual typos from Samui Times. Sadly it is unlikely that the truth will ever be known. RIP Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 35 minutes ago, Crustyhk said: Mafia BS. Mafia do not murder tourists. Mafia might be running the island but they don't murder people who have done them no wrong. Locals and police know exactly who is behind these deaths and they're scared shirtless to say anything Agreed! at least the "Mafia" had some principles! dubious though they may be, these "people" are just low level scum criminals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank83628 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 minute ago, CGW said: Agreed! at least the "Mafia" had some principles! dubious though they may be, these "people" are just low level scum criminals! so by that post why are the mafia not dealing with them??..are they some higher criminal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFishman1 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Amazing Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 5 hours ago, colinneil said: His family have vowed to get justice That is something that will not happen, cannot smear the good image of the place.. Well, they should know by now Thailand and especially Koh Tao are not considered as hot spots where justice prevails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracas Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 I have not read all the associated detail with this case, but is Luke the man that was out with his friends drinking and the ended up at a hotel swimming pool where they were jumping of some structure into the pool ? Then his friends left and he stayed ? Or was this another case ? There are far too many of these to keep track of them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 My theory . Luke Miller arrived on Kao Tao It was noticed by some locals that he had the same surname as the murdered David Miller . Luke Miller seemed like quite a jovial person , when asked by locals about his surname, he may have joked "Im here to seek justice for my Brother/Cousin" Word go back to murdering brothers that there was a vigilante looking for them They got in first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Given that news like this has the potential to take money out of the local mafia's pockets, I can't help but wonder how much the violence may increase if they were to do away with the mafia? And how many violent crimes are punished "off the books" without any media coverage? And how many low level criminals are buried on the island? I'm not a fan of the mafia, but I'd be careful what I wish for. Without a functional police department, sometimes they're the only thing keeping anti-foreigner violence in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpjack Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 i will never go to koh tao . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pumpjack said: i will never go to koh tao . I understand taking that stand out of principles- not wanting to support a corrupt system with your tourist $$$. But on the practical side, hundreds of thousands of tourists visit Koh Tao every year and over 99.9% of them go home safely. Your chances of getting taken out by a scooter on a sidewalk in BKK are probably just as bad... Edited June 15, 2017 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimstar1 Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 There is no such thing as Mafia in Thailand and we kill any one that disagrees with us Good Luck with the Suit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garbolino Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 hours ago, IamNoone88 said: The best way to catch a rat is to set a trap. HOW IS ONE going to do this....the case is closed there is NO justice for farangs in Thailand at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracas Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, sanemax said: My theory . Luke Miller arrived on Kao Tao It was noticed by some locals that he had the same surname as the murdered David Miller . Luke Miller seemed like quite a jovial person , when asked by locals about his surname, he may have joked "Im here to seek justice for my Brother/Cousin" Word go back to murdering brothers that there was a vigilante looking for them They got in first Thanks. Becoming a little clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sanemax said: I disagree , there are dysfunctional police departments all over Thailand and there is no "anti foreigner violence" . These are not "mafia" in the true sense of the word , these are drug dealing rapers and murderers Nobody's claiming they're a benevolent lot. But putting the kibosh on violent crime against foreigners and their sweaty tourist $$$ is self serving for them. Edit: Cops get paid the same whether the crime rate is low or headline making high... Edited June 15, 2017 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Just now, impulse said: Nobody's claiming they're benevolent lot. But putting the kibosh on violent crime against foreigners and their sweaty tourist $$$ is self serving for them. Although the local criminals are not stopping foreigners from getting attacked, they are actually murdering foreigners . The Ko Tao criminals are killing foreigners, they are NOT keeping them safe from being attacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 Just now, sanemax said: Although the local criminals are not stopping foreigners from getting attacked, they are actually murdering foreigners . The Ko Tao criminals are killing foreigners, they are NOT keeping them safe from being attacked You're only seeing one side of the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenKadz Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 But Thailand is safe for tourists! I know this because TAT told me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Crustyhk said: Mafia BS. Mafia do not murder tourists. Mafia might be running the island but they don't murder people who have done them no wrong. Locals and police know exactly who is behind these deaths and they're scared shirtless to say anything I believe there is mafia in Koh Tao. I also believe they have no interest in murdering the cows whose milk they drink abundantly. If there is mafia then I don't understand why the do nothing to protect their tourists. I would understand if they do everything to protect their members or their member's family (if high enough on the chain) against deserved punishment or their members family if they "accidentally" kill two Brits. Could it be only a small group of pervert obsessive killers protected by the mafia? Or one ifnluential pervert man only? Would there be some logic with this? It is good that this despicable island remains in the headlines until the cases are solved or the island disappears (at least from the travel brochures) Edited June 15, 2017 by sweatalot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Posted June 15, 2017 Share Posted June 15, 2017 The land on Koh Tao was owned by the government before the 1932 revolution and used as prison for political prisoners. After the revolution the prison was demolished and the prisoners released but the government retained all the land and still does to this day. No land titles have been issued there and use of land is only through Por Thor 5 documents which certify the holder is paying nominal taxes to the local administration in return for the right to use the land for farming (or fishing in this case). Holders have no right to erect permanent structures on the land. The key to this type of land is that the administration of it is not under the Land Department but under local administrations. So the local 'mayors' get to decide who has the right to use the land, which they can rescind and reassign, and they should be ensuring that it is used only for agriculture and fisheries. That is why village headmen and mayors are so powerful. The local administrations are all under the Interior Ministry which chooses to look the other way and ignore the abuse of government land under its care. To comply with the law, all the local administrators should be sacked for violation of restricted land use permissions. All the structures that are not of a temporary nature for use for agriculture and fisheries should be demolished. The very existence of Koh Tao as a tourist resort is based on the premise that there is no rule of law there and that central government has abrogated its right to govern as well as its duty to care for government owned land according to the law. Nothing much good can be expected to follow from this philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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