TM 30 reporting

[mmail2you]

Maybe this is not the correct place to pose this question and I would think it has been asked before. The question is - If a customer rents a room off a Condominium owner, Who is responsible to report the person to Immigration TM30 report, Is it

1. The Owner of the Condo who rented the room to him or

2. The juristic/manager of the Condo

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, mmail2you said:

1. The Owner of the Condo who rented the room to him

That is the correct answer.

[elviajero]

Both.

 

It's the responsibility of the owner or house-master or possessor or manager of the property. Immigration should have no problem receiving a report from the owner (1.) or manager (2.), 

[YetAnother]

1 hour ago, elviajero said:

Both.

 

It's the responsibility of the owner or house-master or possessor or manager of the property. Immigration should have no problem receiving a report from the owner (1.) or manager (2.), 

hmmm; i live in a house far from the owner; sole occupant; (does that make me the house master ? ; am in the final printing process for my yellow book, so i cant look there at the moment); if i am house master, then i can see the solution;if i am not, then what ?

[elviajero]

1 minute ago, YetAnother said:

hmmm; i live in a house far from the owner; sole occupant; (does that make me the house master ? ; am in the final printing process for my yellow book, so i cant look there at the moment); if i am house master, then i can see the solution;if i am not, then what ?

You are not the 'house-master'. A 'house-master' is the person named in the blue house registration book (head of household). You could be considered as the possessor, which is basically anyone that doesn't qualify as the owner or house-master but is 'responsible' for the property. As a 'possessor' you can, based on the written law, make the report.

 

Some offices seem to insist that the owner makes the report, but others will allow the 'possessor' (foreigner) to make the report. The only way to know for sure is to ask the local immigration office.

 

The law gives equal responsibility to report to the owner/house-master or possessor, so as long as one of the qualifying people report the office should be happy.

 

 

[mmail2you]

Please remember this is directly related to a condominium complex and if the owner of the Condo rents the room out, Then I would have thought it is his/her responsibility to report that person via a TM30 as the Manager/Juristic person has no authority to manage or request copies of the persons Visa, TM6 or passport information.

[Maestro]

mmail2you,  for a rented apartment section 4 of the Immigration Act defines the House-master as the chief possessor of the residence in his capacity as tenant.

 

Section 38 makes it the duty of the house-master, owner or possessor to submit the notification of the arrival of a foreigner at the residence (TM.30)

 

Most immigration offices accept the notification from the tenant, who is the house-master and possessor as per section 38 rolled into one, or the owner as per section 38. When the tenant submits the TM.30, many immigration offices want also copies of the house registration book and ID card of the owner, signed by the owner.

 

When neither the tenant (house-master/possessor) nor the owner as per section 38 submit the notification in time, some immigration offices fine both the tenant and the owner 800 Baht each and collect both fines from the tenant when he applies for an extension of stay or submits a notification of staying in Thailand longer than 90 days.

[mmail2you]

13 hours ago, Maestro said:

mmail2you,  for a rented apartment section 4 of the Immigration Act defines the House-master as the chief possessor of the residence in his capacity as tenant.

 

Section 38 makes it the duty of the house-master, owner or possessor to submit the notification of the arrival of a foreigner at the residence (TM.30)

 

Most immigration offices accept the notification from the tenant, who is the house-master and possessor as per section 38 rolled into one, or the owner as per section 38. When the tenant submits the TM.30, many immigration offices want also copies of the house registration book and ID card of the owner, signed by the owner.

 

When neither the tenant (house-master/possessor) nor the owner as per section 38 submit the notification in time, some immigration offices fine both the tenant and the owner 800 Baht each and collect both fines from the tenant when he applies for an extension of stay or submits a notification of staying in Thailand longer than 90 days.

So the Manger/juristic person is not responsible 

[Maestro]

The Juristic Person Manager (JPM) has no responsibility under the Immigration Act to submit the TM.30, but there have been one or two posts indicating that an immigration office accepted the TM.30 submitted by the JPM, accompanied with documents as the immigration office may have required.

 

One example: 

 

[Maestro]

On 17/06/2017 at 9:08 AM, elviajero said:

Both.

 

It's the responsibility of the owner or house-master or possessor or manager of the property. Immigration should have no problem receiving a report from the owner (1.) or manager (2.), 

 

It is with a hotel where the manager has the duty to submit the TM.30 under the Immigration Act. A condominium building is not a hotel.