Image of the United States has plunged under Trump, survey shows

[bushdoctor]

So why do republicans keep winning elections? 

[Morch]

29 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

So why do republicans keep winning elections? 

 

They haven't won the last three. Trump's support was, at least to some extent based on anti-Republican-Party sentiment. But anyway, both you and the poster above take it to the Partisan level rather than how the US is perceived. Doubt all them perceptions differentiate much between parties. Trump is now the face of the US, hard to deny the perceptions generated.

Edited July 12, 2017 by Morch

[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

But I'll add this - I doubt that Trump's tweet had anything directly to do with Kushner's financial dealings (or rather, failure of) vs. Qatar. It's an open question whether Kushner's stance was significantly influenced by the failure to secure Qatari financial involvement in his business venture. And even if it did, it would raise other questions relating as to the level of Trump's reliance on Kushner's sentiments when engaging in one of his tweeter sessions. If I had to guess, considering Trump's attentions span and lack of in-depth interest with regard to such matters - sort of like when a snippet from Fox sticks in his consciousness or some negative background noise.  

Actually I was thinking of it the other way around, that Trumps actions were in retaliation for Kushner's NOT getting the money they were after. Without the money 666th Fifth Avenue is in big trouble. Who else will give them the money? Maybe that's why Kushner and Ivanka are going on a 'state' visit to China! Still for a supposedly religious man to by a tower block numbered 666 it was a bit stupid.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jared-kushner-qatar-loan-trump-saudi-arabia-hard-line-a7834536.html

 

Quote

Jared Kushner 'tried and failed to get a $500m loan from Qatar before pushing Trump to take hard line against country'

I think as investigators look deeper Jared Kushner and his Daddy in law could be in deep poop! The above is a major news story in itself but will be overlooked due to Fredo's indiscretions.

[Morch]

20 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Actually I was thinking of it the other way around, that Trumps actions were in retaliation for Kushner's NOT getting the money they were after. Without the money 666th Fifth Avenue is in big trouble. Who else will give them the money? Maybe that's why Kushner and Ivanka are going on a 'state' visit to China! Still for a supposedly religious man to by a tower block numbered 666 it was a bit stupid.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jared-kushner-qatar-loan-trump-saudi-arabia-hard-line-a7834536.html

 

I think as investigators look deeper Jared Kushner and his Daddy in law could be in deep poop! The above is a major news story in itself but will be overlooked due to Fredo's indiscretions.

 

You're welcome to your opinion. Sorry if I do not see Trump as real focused, or able to carry out a long term strategy involving delicate subterfuge. Drawing such causal connections as prescribed is trickier than applying what we know of Trump's ways.

[bushdoctor]

Do you think the State's funding of terrorism and radical ideology had anything to do with it? 

[Andaman Al]

7 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

Do you think the State's funding of terrorism and radical ideology had anything to do with it? 

That is complete BS. They have no radical ideology in Qatar, but they do in Saudi. They have not funded any organisation different to those who have received significant monies and arms from Saudi and the UAE. Qatar were always used as an intermediary with Iran because they had a very congenial with them (sharing the worlds largest gas field and very close in proximity). What Qatar do have is a media organisation that is on a par with the best of the west that pulls no punches when reporting about human rights issues in Saudi and the civilians being killed in Yemen. The Saudi's (read - the new Crown Prince) want Qatar to kiss their ass, and they will not do it.

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

That is complete BS. They have no radical ideology in Qatar, but they do in Saudi. They have not funded any organisation different to those who have received significant monies and arms from Saudi and the UAE. Qatar were always used as an intermediary with Iran because they had a very congenial with them (sharing the worlds largest gas field and very close in proximity). What Qatar do have is a media organisation that is on a par with the best of the west that pulls no punches when reporting about human rights issues in Saudi and the civilians being killed in Yemen. The Saudi's (read - the new Crown Prince) want Qatar to kiss their ass, and they will not do it.

 

Qatar advances Islamic organizations, which while perhaps not as obvious as the one's supported by Saudi Arabia, are nevertheless not something to be celebrated. And yes, they have funded somewhat different factions and organizations when it comes to Syria etc. - its sometimes hard to keep track of who's who and who's aligned with whom at any given time.

 

Al Jazeera is not "on par" with Western media. Not by a long shot. Not when certain topics are banned and editorial control is exerted by the government. That it's better than other Arab media outlets doesn't make it a paragon of quality journalism, and once more - most of the complaints leveled by Qatar's neighbors relate to the Arabic edition.

[Andaman Al]

There is so much dividing us all that I feel we need something positive about Trump that we can all get behind together. How about a song?

 

 

 

With great thanks to Al Jolson and the original 'Carolina in the morning"

 

Trumping in the Morning.

 

Nothing could be finer
Than to grab a girls vagina, in the morning
Nothing could be sweeter
Than to message on my Twitter, in the morning.
When the Fake news stories, come from CNN
We get Sean and Kelly, to give alternative facts again.

Strolling with my girlie
When I grab her pussy early, in the morning
Butterflies all flutter up and kiss her while I touch her up at dawning
If I had Aladdin's lamp for only a day
I'd make a wish and here's what I'd say
Nothing could be finer than to grab a girls vagina in the morning

[F4UCorsair]

 

 

 

A poll/survey can reveal whatever the polling organization wants it to by selective polling.   To suggest that the image of the US has plunged on the result of polling in socialist leaning countries, or democrat dominated US states, is no surprise.

 

Watching the news this morning, and some commentator said something that made a lot of sense, possibly unusual for almost any media, but it did happen.   This was it.............

 

The manner in which the democrats behaved prior to the election, and are behaving currently, is the very reason why the Republicans won.

 

I wonder if they'll learn anything?   Nah.

 

The latest on Trump Jr is nothing.   There was a meeting with a Russian, arranged through an intermediary who said he knew something, or somebody he met  in a pub who did, or the father of an out of work actor did, but there was NO information passed, or even available.   Trump Jr lied earlier, and for that he should be condemned.

 

Impeachment??   Forget it.   It's just not going to happen, and for some fool democrat to suggest that an act of treason has been committed is ludicrous....at best, and downright lunacy at not even the worst.

 

 

 

Edited July 12, 2017 by F4UCorsair

[simple1]

29 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

 

 

A poll/survey can reveal whatever the polling organization wants it to by selective polling.   To suggest that the image of the US has plunged on the result of polling in socialist leaning countries, or democrat dominated US states, is no surprise.

 

Watching the news this morning, and some commentator said something that made a lot of sense, possibly unusual for almost any media, but it did happen.   This was it.............

 

The manner in which the democrats behaved prior to the election, and are behaving currently, is the very reason why the Republicans won.

 

I wonder if they'll learn anything?   Nah.

 

The latest on Trump Jr is nothing.   There was a meeting with a Russian, arranged through an intermediary who said he knew something, or somebody he met  in a pub who did, or the father of an out of work actor did, but there was NO information passed, or even available.   Trump Jr lied earlier, and for that he should be condemned.

 

Impeachment??   Forget it.   It's just not going to happen, and for some fool democrat to suggest that an act of treason has been committed is ludicrous....at best, and downright lunacy at not even the worst.

 

 

 

You must have a very loose version of a socialist leaning country, I suppose you are using the odd American definitions. From the OP...

 

"But the falls were far steeper in some of America's closest allies, including U.S. neighbours Mexico and Canada, and European partners like Germany and Spain"

 

Regards Trump Jnr, his intent, in conjunction with the other two, was to obtain info from a foreign government representative, though unlikely to meet criteria for charges of criminal activity, in light of the exposure, they are fortunate the proposed informant with links to the Russian government, did not have substantive information. Trump Jnr's interview with Hannity has now been proven to contain a number of misleading comments - the lies of the idiocracy continue.

 

Edited July 12, 2017 by simple1

[F4UCorsair]

Image tarnished or not, if Trump was ever impeached and removed, and that's not going to happen, the lunacy of the left would continue against Pence, not for any reason other than that's what the democrats/left of politics worldwide, do when they don't like the result of the democratic process.

[simple1]

19 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

Image tarnished or not, if Trump was ever impeached and removed, and that's not going to happen, the lunacy of the left would continue against Pence, not for any reason other than that's what the democrats/left of politics worldwide, do when they don't like the result of the democratic process.

Really? In the US the 'lunacy' of the right exceeds those of the left.

[pegman]

18 hours ago, bushdoctor said:

So why do republicans keep winning elections? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

[pegman]

2 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

Image tarnished or not, if Trump was ever impeached and removed, and that's not going to happen, the lunacy of the left would continue against Pence, not for any reason other than that's what the democrats/left of politics worldwide, do when they don't like the result of the democratic process.

Teabaggers?

[pegman]

16 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Qatar advances Islamic organizations, which while perhaps not as obvious as the one's supported by Saudi Arabia, are nevertheless not something to be celebrated. And yes, they have funded somewhat different factions and organizations when it comes to Syria etc. - its sometimes hard to keep track of who's who and who's aligned with whom at any given time.

 

Al Jazeera is not "on par" with Western media. Not by a long shot. Not when certain topics are banned and editorial control is exerted by the government. That it's better than other Arab media outlets doesn't make it a paragon of quality journalism, and once more - most of the complaints leveled by Qatar's neighbors relate to the Arabic edition.

 

16 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Qatar advances Islamic organizations, which while perhaps not as obvious as the one's supported by Saudi Arabia, are nevertheless not something to be celebrated. And yes, they have funded somewhat different factions and organizations when it comes to Syria etc. - its sometimes hard to keep track of who's who and who's aligned with whom at any given time.

 

Al Jazeera is not "on par" with Western media. Not by a long shot. Not when certain topics are banned and editorial control is exerted by the government. That it's better than other Arab media outlets doesn't make it a paragon of quality journalism, and once more - most of the complaints leveled by Qatar's neighbors relate to the Arabic edition.

I think it is superior to other Western news media. It employs top notch journalists from places like the BBC & CBC.  I find they are less bias and their issue debate panels are setup as equals. I know nothing of their Arabic station.

[Thakkar]

2 minutes ago, pegman said:

16 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Qatar advances Islamic organizations, which while perhaps not as obvious as the one's supported by Saudi Arabia, are nevertheless not something to be celebrated. And yes, they have funded somewhat different factions and organizations when it comes to Syria etc. - its sometimes hard to keep track of who's who and who's aligned with whom at any given time.

 

Al Jazeera is not "on par" with Western media. Not by a long shot. Not when certain topics are banned and editorial control is exerted by the government. That it's better than other Arab media outlets doesn't make it a paragon of quality journalism, and once more - most of the complaints leveled by Qatar's neighbors relate to the Arabic edition.

I think it is superior to other Western news media. It employs top notch journalists from places like the BBC & CBC.  I find they are less bias and their issue debate panels are setup as equals. I know nothing of their Arabic station.

 

I agree that they do good journalism and fill an important gap in mid-east reporting and provide much-needed Asian and Arabic angle to western news stories.

 

however, let's not forget that they are funded by a non democratic government and that a condition of that funding is to have certain blind spots when required. Also, It's hard to believe they get no occasional prodding as to where to put extra emphasis in their reporting, and especially in opinion sections of their broadcasts.

 

so, while good, and often reliable, let's remember to—as with all cases of news reporting—keep our thinking caps on.

 

T 

[iReason]

4 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

There was a meeting with a Russian, arranged through an intermediary who said he knew something, or somebody he met  in a pub who did, or the father of an out of work actor did, but there was NO information passed, or even available.

 

Just making stuff up...

[F4UCorsair]

Just now, iReason said:

 

Just making stuff up...

 

The democrats have been doing that for a year or more!!!   You haven't been complaining about that.

 

Of course my post was light hearted, but the convoluted path to the so called information was about that reliable.   No information was available....end of story, another story.

[iReason]

42 minutes ago, F4UCorsair said:

Of course my post was light hearted, but the convoluted path to the so called information was about that reliable.  

No information was available....end of story, another story.

"Of course my post was light hearted, but the convoluted path to the so called information was about that reliable."

 

As are most of your posts...

 

"No information was available....end of story, another story."

 

You are you making stuff up.

And taking the word of the investigated as fact.

[pegman]

2 hours ago, Thakkar said:

 

I agree that they do good journalism and fill an important gap in mid-east reporting and provide much-needed Asian and Arabic angle to western news stories.

 

however, let's not forget that they are funded by a non democratic government and that a condition of that funding is to have certain blind spots when required. Also, It's hard to believe they get no occasional prodding as to where to put extra emphasis in their reporting, and especially in opinion sections of their broadcasts.

 

so, while good, and often reliable, let's remember to—as with all cases of news reporting—keep our thinking caps on.

 

T 

Good post. That is true but most other media has a hard core corporate bias since they are owned by them. Besides corporate bias the North American media has a very forcefull Zionist bias. Greatest minds of our times who are seen in most of the world as fair minded, like Noam Chomsky and Stephen Walt, are never interviewed. Same goes for any Labour leaders in the USA to give a balance to the media's corporate agenda. Then the moronic electorate wonders why their wages aren't going up. 

Talking about the media I find it real interesting that billionaire Trump is nearly exclusively being torn down by media owned by 2 other billionaires. Nearly every shoe dropping in the Russian scandal has come from #3 billionaire Jeff Bezos' Washington Post or #9 Carlos Slim's NY Times. Combined those guys are worth $130b. Trump is a pauper next to them. He may be the USA President but most of government is out to get him too. Very hard to see this guy make it past 2018.

[bushdoctor]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

You must have a very loose version of a socialist leaning country, I suppose you are using the odd American definitions. From the OP...

 

"But the falls were far steeper in some of America's closest allies, including U.S. neighbours Mexico and Canada, and European partners like Germany and Spain"

 

Regards Trump Jnr, his intent, in conjunction with the other two, was to obtain info from a foreign government representative, though unlikely to meet criteria for charges of criminal activity, in light of the exposure, they are fortunate the proposed informant with links to the Russian government, did not have substantive information. Trump Jnr's interview with Hannity has now been proven to contain a number of misleading comments - the lies of the idiocracy continue.

 

The "government representative" are you referring to was not a government representative. Just a Russian lawyer with no ties to the Russian government. She even acknowledged that in an interview. 

Edited July 13, 2017 by bushdoctor

[bushdoctor]

2 hours ago, iReason said:

 

Just making stuff up...

What information was passed or available? 

[simple1]

30 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

The "government representative" are you referring to was not a government representative. Just a Russian lawyer with no ties to the Russian government. She even acknowledged that in an interview. 

Obviously not how she was positioned for the Trump Jnr meeting - more deflection regards intent

[Morch]

 

3 hours ago, pegman said:

 

I think it is superior to other Western news media. It employs top notch journalists from places like the BBC & CBC.  I find they are less bias and their issue debate panels are setup as equals. I know nothing of their Arabic station.

Superior how? And while there are certainly some good journalists on board, that's something most respectable Western news outlets have. Let me suggest that it is not quite that they are "less biased", but more that they pander to your views. The Arabic Edition does not fully conform in content, tone and editorial control to the English edition.

 

3 hours ago, Thakkar said:

 

I agree that they do good journalism and fill an important gap in mid-east reporting and provide much-needed Asian and Arabic angle to western news stories.

 

however, let's not forget that they are funded by a non democratic government and that a condition of that funding is to have certain blind spots when required. Also, It's hard to believe they get no occasional prodding as to where to put extra emphasis in their reporting, and especially in opinion sections of their broadcasts.

 

so, while good, and often reliable, let's remember to—as with all cases of news reporting—keep our thinking caps on.

 

T 

 

Fair enough, and worth mentioning again, that what most of the posters relate to is not quite what the Saudi's & Co. are about. They do have a point when it comes to seeing Al Jazeera as a Qatari tool.

 

 

Al Jazeera controversies and criticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism

 

Editorial independence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera#Editorial_independence

 

Al Jazeera America accused of bias against non-Arabs and women

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/11/al-jazeera-america-accused-bias-non-arabs-women

 

https://rsf.org/en/qatar

 

 

Edited July 13, 2017 by Morch

[iReason]

12 minutes ago, bushdoctor said:

What information was passed or available? 

 

Do you mean where the occupier of the White House' son,

who along with a Senior White House adviser to his father and a Russian connected soon to be Trump campaign manager,

had a clandestine meeting with an agent from a hostile foreign adversary?

 

Special Counsel Mueller is almost certainly looking into that matter and will eventually have an answer for us.

 

Stay tuned.

The wheels of justice are turning... 

[Thakkar]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

You mean unlike the sane and sober attacks from Republicans claiming Obama was born in Kenya?  Attacks supported by none other than Donald Trump. 

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/291059-poll-majority-of-republicans-still-doubt-obamas

Not to mention all the other crazy conspiracy theories touted by the alt-right.

 

Trump's people are returning from Hawaii any day now (it's a long trip). You won't believe what they've found! Some people say it's shocking. I don't know yet, but a lotta people say. Could be nothin'. But EVERYONE says it's a big somtnin' somthin' 

 

Stay Tuned.

 

T

[beautifulthailand99]

Idiots voted for an idiot who has turned out be an idiot with an idiot family. Who would have thought it !

[Thakkar]

17 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Idiots voted for an idiot who has turned out be an idiot with an idiot family. Who would have thought it !

 

Unfair!

He has a good brain. And the best words. It's true, he said so himself. 

 

"covfefe" - heard of it, huh? I thought so.

 

I rest my case.

 

T

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

Just now, Thakkar said:

 

Unfair!

He has a good brain. And the best words. It's true, he said so himself. 

 

"covfefe" - heard of it, huh? I thought so.

 

I rest my case.

 

T

 

 

oh and daddy's money and lawyers and a post war property bull market and the morals of a snake . The rest sadly is history. Who would have thought we would be welcoming President Pence - the world has / is going mad.

[Thakkar]

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

oh and daddy's money and lawyers and a post war property bull market and the morals of a snake . The rest sadly is history. Who would have thought we would be welcoming President Pence - the world has / is going mad.

 

Give the man some credit: he pulled himself up by his daddy's KKK bootstraps.

 

T