maewang99 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) worry about our image? yes. and get ready for us to heap a big pile of more stuff on top of it....... by this fall... and thanks to Trump. who is focused on all sorts of nonsense instead of what is really important. to us. the CBO on June 29 estimated it will be October, give or take a month or so.... that the US debt limit means really consequential effects that wont' escape global attention... including the Conjured From Nothingness US Dollah. now that really is something to think about. and make a stink about. not that we will ever have a problem with a check from Social Security.. however what will those checks be worth in Thai Baht???? and please, don't tell me the Thai economy and Thailand as a nation have a dirtier shirt than we have. it just ain't so. Edited July 14, 2017 by maewang99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 16 hours ago, attrayant said: You seem to be using the word "agent" to mean employee, as in the romanticized usage (James Bond, agent 007 and so on). Meanwhile all the rest of us are using the word in its conventional mundane sense, which simply means working on behalf of somebody else's interest. Cf: travel agent. visa agent, and so on. Proxies and lobbyists are also agents, since they are acting on behalf of a third party's interest. That depends on what he talked about while he was there. Did he try to ease tensions and get the NKs to lay off their nuclear aspirations? If so, then yes he was acting in the interest of his government and was therefore an agent. On the other hand, if he was there only for personal vacation and spent his time sight-seeing the turnip farms with no political agenda with NK government officials or their agents (get it?), then no, he wasn't acting as an agent. Agent is a role, not a job. You are using the term too loosely so it fits with your accusations. To be a government agent you first need authorization from the government. Rodman is not a government agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchisaan Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) Sorry, problem connection, will try later again Edited July 14, 2017 by dutchisaan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: To be a government agent you first need authorization from the government. From Rob Goldstone who initiated the meeting with DJ jr and “The Russian government attorney”: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, iReason said: From Rob Goldstone who initiated the meeting with DJ jr and “The Russian government attorney”: Regardless of Mr Goldstone's error, she is a private attorney, not a Russian government attorney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Dmitri S. Peskov, the spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, told reporters that the Kremlin had never heard of her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iReason Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: Regardless of Mr Goldstone's error, she is a private attorney, not a Russian government attorney. Uninformed. Or just plain Trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 minute ago, iReason said: Uninformed. Or just plain Trolling. Uninformed in what way? Inform me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 Veselnitskaya herself said that nobody in the Russian government was involved with setting up the Trump meeting and she did not seek approval from Russian officials. She said she did not even know any significant figures in Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: Veselnitskaya herself said that nobody in the Russian government was involved with setting up the Trump meeting and she did not seek approval from Russian officials. She said she did not even know any significant figures in Russia. Well, if she says so, then it must be true. Why would somebody deny something that could be incriminating? And please don't ask me that question because if you do, I'll have to plead the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: Well, if she says so, then it must be true. Why would somebody deny something that could be incriminating? And please don't ask me that question because if you do, I'll have to plead the 5th. Do you have some actual information you would care to share that can help validate your claim and your credibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, bushdoctor said: Dmitri S. Peskov, the spokesman for President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, told reporters that the Kremlin had never heard of her. Ah yes. The Kremlin. That bastion of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 58 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: Veselnitskaya herself said that nobody in the Russian government was involved with setting up the Trump meeting and she did not seek approval from Russian officials. She said she did not even know any significant figures in Russia. Read the emails closely. She said it was coming from a government official and the documents were official documents. Read the emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: Read the emails closely. She said it was coming from a government official and the documents were official documents. Read the emails. Are you claiming that you have knowledge that Natalia Veselnitskaya is a Russian government agent? Would you post the emails please, because your post isn't clear to me. "She said it was coming...". Who is "she" What is "it"? What documents were given? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 hour ago, bushdoctor said: Do you have some actual information you would care to share that can help validate your claim and your credibility? From Fox News: Veselnitskaya was working as an attorney for a Cyprus-based real estate holdings company called Prevezon, run by Denis Katsyv, son of Pyotr Katsyv, one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s closest advisers, and was given “unlimited resources” by the Kremlin-connected group to run a campaign to get the Magnitsky Act repealed, Fox News reported Wednesday... “Parole allows an individual to enter the United States and remain for a temporary period corresponding to the reason parole was approved,” Christensen told Fox News. “Parole is generally not authorized for more than one year.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/us/politics/white-house-barring-reporters-from-briefings.html?_r=0 Not only was she campaigning against sanctions but she was denied a visa to the usa. That suggests the USA thought she had Russian government connections. Now, about your defense of this lawyer on the grounds that she denied the charges...really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchisaan Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: Are you claiming that you have knowledge that Natalia Veselnitskaya is a Russian government agent? Would you post the emails please, because your post isn't clear to me. "She said it was coming...". Who is "she" What is "it"? What documents were given? Does it realy matters if was or wasn't a russian agent? Just read the email, she was introduced as a lawyer working for the russian government. And Donald jr answered; I love it. So what part don't you understand? But don't worry, I'm sure you will keep defending the WH clown family, and btw, enjoy your double whopper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said: From Fox News: Veselnitskaya was working as an attorney for a Cyprus-based real estate holdings company called Prevezon, run by Denis Katsyv, son of Pyotr Katsyv, one of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s closest advisers, and was given “unlimited resources” by the Kremlin-connected group to run a campaign to get the Magnitsky Act repealed, Fox News reported Wednesday... “Parole allows an individual to enter the United States and remain for a temporary period corresponding to the reason parole was approved,” Christensen told Fox News. “Parole is generally not authorized for more than one year.” https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/28/us/politics/white-house-barring-reporters-from-briefings.html?_r=0 Not only was she campaigning against sanctions but she was denied a visa to the usa. That suggests the USA thought she had Russian government connections. Now, about your defense of this lawyer on the grounds that she denied the charges...really? Yet she was given special permission to stay in the US under the Obama presidency. That is extremely unusual. Your fox story states clearly that she was working for a real estate holding company. A major issue that you are overlooking is that Trump Jr had every right to meet with her, and there was no crime committed in doing so. Nice try by the left.....next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 34 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: Are you claiming that you have knowledge that Natalia Veselnitskaya is a Russian government agent? Would you post the emails please, because your post isn't clear to me. "She said it was coming...". Who is "she" What is "it"? What documents were given? You didn't read the email chain did you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 (edited) To trump loyalists, they could read a verified email from the man they call "The Emperor" himself that details the plan to collude directly with Putin and they would say, nothing illegal, it's just free speech ... FAKE NEWS! It's getting ridiculous now. trump loyalists and republican party members that are complicit (most of them) are siding with Russian dictator Putin over their own country. Edited July 14, 2017 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: You didn't read the email chain did you... Yes I read it days ago. Nice try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: Yes I read it days ago. Nice try. Perhaps you need to read it again. It will answer your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 minute ago, craigt3365 said: Perhaps you need to read it again. It will answer your questions. You didn't answer did you? What documents were passed? What is the alledged crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 1 minute ago, bushdoctor said: You didn't answer did you? What documents were passed? What is the alledged crime? The crime is part of the campaign finance law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushdoctor Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: The crime is part of the campaign finance law. Nope, and by the way, 'no law enforcement officials have accused Trump Jr. of committing a crime.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: Nope, and by the way, 'no law enforcement officials have accused Trump Jr. of committing a crime.' It's early. He will be called to testify under oath. That's a very different thing legally than an interview with shameless trump shill Hannity on Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, bushdoctor said: Nope, and by the way, 'no law enforcement officials have accused Trump Jr. of committing a crime.' You've not read the news....this gets boring. Please read this entire article before you comment. We'd appreciate it. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40585149 Specifically, Section 30121 of Title 52 of federal campaign law, which deals with "contributions and donations by foreign nationals". "It is illegal for a foreign government or a foreign national to give something of value to a candidate or campaign," says Nathaniel Persily, an election law expert and professor at Stanford Law School. "It is also illegal for a foreign national and a foreign government to spend money in connection with a federal election." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 How about we get back to the topic. Image of the US under Trump. There's another thread for The Junior and his legal woes. No reason to duplicate stuff here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: You've not read the news....this gets boring. Please read this entire article before you comment. We'd appreciate it. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40585149 Specifically, Section 30121 of Title 52 of federal campaign law, which deals with "contributions and donations by foreign nationals". "It is illegal for a foreign government or a foreign national to give something of value to a candidate or campaign," says Nathaniel Persily, an election law expert and professor at Stanford Law School. "It is also illegal for a foreign national and a foreign government to spend money in connection with a federal election." A polite reminder. No matter what one posts, there will always be deflection / denial by certain members - in summary "Don't reply to trolls" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, simple1 said: A polite reminder. No matter what one posts, there will always be deflection / denial by certain members - in summary "Don't reply to trolls" As you know, I was away for a few months. A bit bored planning the next trip that begins in a few weeks. This gives me a break away from that! But not necessarily a good break! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPatrickThai Posted July 14, 2017 Share Posted July 14, 2017 I think it has improved, Trump is better than the last few presidents. He's not interested in starting wars, high-scale corruption like Bush. Many of my friends admire Trump for what he's doing keeping Muslims out the US. On a side note, CNN is unbearable to watch now - what total propaganda by misinformed idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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