U.S. prepared to use force on North Korea 'if we must' - U.N. envoy

[ilostmypassword]

And for fans of the US missile defense system, here's some depressing news:

Was that shootdown of a mock enemy warhead in May 'realistic'? Not exactly

After the nation’s homeland missile defense system successfully intercepted a mock enemy warhead high above the Pacific on May 30, the director of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency said the test had been held under “very realistic” conditions, faithfully simulating an attack by North Korea.

“This is exactly the scenario we would expect to occur during an actual operational engagement,” Vice Adm. James D. Syring said at a news conference...

In key aspects, however, the carefully scripted test posed much less of a challenge for U.S. missile defenses than would an actual attack, a Los Angeles Times investigation has found.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missile-defense-test-realism-20170706-story.html

[Naam]

1 hour ago, UncleFester said:

It does.  We run this world whether you like it or not.  We influence the "leaders" of this world and they bend to our will.  If not, we sweeten the pot a bit.  If that doesn't work, we kill them.  Remember Saddam?

yawn... remember Uncle Ho in Ha Noi? remember who finally bent whom in april 1975?

[UncleFester]

1 hour ago, ilostmypassword said:

I think most of do remember Saddam and Iraq. If you think the Iraqi ventures proves America rules the world, it's no wonder you believe in American exceptionalism. Clearly you hail from Oppositeland.

Saddam was put in power by us.  He towed the line for a while and then thought he was too big for us to kill.  I think we hanged him.

[UncleFester]

3 minutes ago, Naam said:

yawn... remember Uncle Ho in Ha Noi? remember who finally bent whom in april 1975?

once in a while we let one slip through so the dictators don't think they can't win.  It wouldn't be good to win 100 percent of the time.  We have to make it look fair.

[Naam]

4 minutes ago, UncleFester said:

once in a while we let one slip through so the dictators don't think they can't win.  It wouldn't be good to win 100 percent of the time.  We have to make it look fair.

what is it that you ingest and how do you ingest it? smoking, orally, snuffing, intravenous, subcutane, anally? and most important... is it legal?

[UncleFester]

7 minutes ago, Naam said:

what is it that you ingest and how do you ingest it? smoking, orally, snuffing, intravenous, subcutane, anally? and most important... is it legal?

Perhaps, I can help you get back on topic.  America feels threatened.  Got that? We FEEL threatened by North Korea. They don't have to threaten us directly.  This isn't a game.  If North Korea keeps provoking us with threats or their missile show, they will find that Trump is not Obama.  

 

I think that is clear.  Klar?

[Naam]

4 minutes ago, UncleFester said:

Perhaps, I can help you get back on topic.  America feels threatened.  Got that? We FEEL threatened by North Korea. They don't have to threaten us directly.  This isn't a game.  If North Korea keeps provoking us with threats or their missile show, they will find that Trump is not Obama.  

 

I think that is clear.  Klar?

clear is only that North Korea is threatened since decades by joint "war games" of South Korean and U.S. forces. and that because another dictator (Kim Il-sung) refused to obey the commands issued by the Greatest Nation on Earth™ to "bend".

[chezy86]

It does.  We run this world whether you like it or not.  We influence the "leaders" of this world and they bend to our will.  If not, we sweeten the pot a bit.  If that doesn't work, we kill them.  Remember Saddam?

America does not run the world . People like the Rothchilds run the world through banking. Hey and guess what they don't run North Korea's banking system yet along with only Cubas. Guess both those countries are due some Democracy some time soon from the chosen puppet American war machine bank rolled by the elites.


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[UncleFester]

Just now, Naam said:

clear is only that North Korea is threatened since decades by joint "war games" of South Korean and U.S. forces. and that because another dictator (Kim Il-sung) refused to obey the commands issued by the Greatest Nation on Earth™ to "bend".

You lose sir. Finished. Fini. The end. Give back your everlasting gobstopper and exit through the door.  Are you seriously going to show solidarity with the crazy who dictates life to so many North Koreans?  The NK people live mostly in misery.  I see no difference with NK's idiot dictator and Idi Amin Dada except for the fact that Bill Clinton didn't give Idi Amin the nuclear bomb.

 

Please turn off the light as you exit.

[UncleFester]

Just now, chezy86 said:

America does not run the world .

Most of it.  Easy to prove.  Can you prove otherwise?

[Naam]

10 minutes ago, UncleFester said:

You lose sir. Finished. Fini. The end. Give back your everlasting gobstopper and exit through the door.  Are you seriously going to show solidarity with the crazy who dictates life to so many North Koreans?  The NK people live mostly in misery.  I see no difference with NK's idiot dictator and Idi Amin Dada except for the fact that Bill Clinton didn't give Idi Amin the nuclear bomb.

 

Please turn off the light as you exit.

it's a waste of precious time to discuss the brushstroke of an old master's painting with a blind man. not withstanding the fact  that quite often it's rather amusing. 

[billd766]

11 hours ago, Grubster said:

They actually saved more lives then killed. The Japs were lucky the US didn't finish them with conventional warfare,  a couple hundred thousand allied troops would likely have died in that invasion of Japan too. The Japanese loved their leaders unlike N Koreans.

 

An interesting hypothesis that forunately never needed to be proved.

 

AFAIK up until the atom bombs were dropped the Emperor was rarely seen or heard as he was deemed to be a God for the Japanese people. The Army and the war cabinet decided on fighting the war but after the bombs were dropped the Emperor decided that Japan would surrender.

 

Some interesting information can be found here on Wikipedia including this little snippet.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohito

 

Civilian deaths and suicides

As the war turned against the Japanese, Hirohito personally found the threat of defection of Japanese civilians disturbing because there was a risk that civilians would be surprised by generous U.S. treatment.[30] Native Japanese sympathizers would hand the Americans a powerful propaganda weapon to subvert the "fighting spirit" of Japan in radio broadcasts. At the end of June 1944 during the Battle of Saipan, Hirohito sent out the first imperial order encouraging all Japanese civilians to commit suicide rather than be taken prisoner.[30]

 

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[friendofthai]

North Korea makes it clear to everybody that only nuclear weapons can guarantee that USA will not bomb your country.

[Ruffian Dick]

Kim fails to realize that we have alien technology and may be ready to use it at any time....

[simple1]

8 hours ago, UncleFester said:

Saddam was put in power by us. <snip>  I think we hanged him.

Regards to off topic Iraq, obviously you don't know the history.

 

What you are repeatedly referring to is Imperialism not Exceptionalism. Trump does not represent 'American Exceptionalism', in fact the opposite. Given Mattis is considered one of the smarter members of his Administration, if Trump listens to his SecDef, he will not authorise military attacks anytime soon on N.K.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

An interesting hypothesis that forunately never needed to be proved.

 

AFAIK up until the atom bombs were dropped the Emperor was rarely seen or heard as he was deemed to be a God for the Japanese people. The Army and the war cabinet decided on fighting the war but after the bombs were dropped the Emperor decided that Japan would surrender.

 

Some interesting information can be found here on Wikipedia including this little snippet.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirohito

 

Civilian deaths and suicides

As the war turned against the Japanese, Hirohito personally found the threat of defection of Japanese civilians disturbing because there was a risk that civilians would be surprised by generous U.S. treatment.[30] Native Japanese sympathizers would hand the Americans a powerful propaganda weapon to subvert the "fighting spirit" of Japan in radio broadcasts. At the end of June 1944 during the Battle of Saipan, Hirohito sent out the first imperial order encouraging all Japanese civilians to commit suicide rather than be taken prisoner.[30]

 

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[Morch]

18 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:

Here's an interesting take on North Korea from Fareed Zakaria:

We think North Korea is crazy. What if we’re wrong?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/we-think-north-korea-is-crazy-what-if-were-wrong/2017/07/06/d13044b0-6286-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html

 

The closing remark of this opinion column goes:

 

Quote

It’s a bitter pill for Washington to swallow, but the alternative is to hope that China will act against its interests and crush its ally, or that North Korea will finally collapse. But hope is not a strategy.

 

Hope is not a strategy, fair enough. Same can be said about hoping Kim Jong Un is a rational player.

[ilostmypassword]

36 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The closing remark of this opinion column goes:

 

 

Hope is not a strategy, fair enough. Same can be said about hoping Kim Jong Un is a rational player.

Same can be said for assuming he's not.

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Same can be said for assuming he's not.

 

That was aired in the linked column. You're heading into one of your usual argumentative loops.

[jak2002003]

21 hours ago, UncleFester said:

It does.  We run this world whether you like it or not.  We influence the "leaders" of this world and they bend to our will.  If not, we sweeten the pot a bit.  If that doesn't work, we kill them.  Remember Saddam?

Wow... outstanding........... 

[Naam]

16 hours ago, Ruffian Dick said:

Kim fails to realize that we have alien technology and may be ready to use it at any time....

ready and threatening to use it since 11 years after the first detonation of an NK nuclear device. what was used were sanctions which hurt the general population but not those in power.

yawn... 

[YetAnother]

nuclear war based on the remarkable nitwits that run north korea, arguably the worst country in the world, really ?!

[rijb]

1 minute ago, Naam said:

another one who doesnt understand a question in simple English

the question was

 

I know enough English to recognize a sanctimonious response.

 

The 'real' issues about why Japan attacked the U.S. were discussed in American public/private schools.  Maybe you prefer the Japanese/German perspectives.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies regarding Japan, the Pearl Harbor attack and the US have been removed. 

[klikster]

On 7/6/2017 at 8:46 PM, UncleFester said:

North Korea is about to find out that Donald Trump is not an apologetic wallflower like Barack Obama.  Not only will a good war with North Korea #MAGA make America great again, but it will pump those favorable numbers in the polls to overwhelmingly go for President Trump.  All this other #FakeNews stuff will go away as soon as the first ICBM hits the target.  

 

I could only wish a few dozen bunker busting bombs on the poofter in chief's presidential palaces in Pyongyang.

Please explain how many casualties your "good war" will cost the US.  And surely, you will lead your "good war's" first infantry charge across the DMZ?

 

Body bags for polls. What an idiotic concept.

[Grubster]

On 7/7/2017 at 4:21 PM, Jdiddy said:

 

Id like to see a drone last longer then 5 seconds with NK's gps jamming, electronic warfare and hijacking and surface to air missiles let alone a much more sophisticated country like China.

 

The North Koreans are light years behind in all that stuff, they couldn't jam your car radio. Are you drinking the same koolaid that was guzzled by western people who bought all the crap about how powerful Iraq's army was? Remember, we were told Iraq had the 4th most powerful military in the world. We are a gullible bunch aren't we?

[Naam]

2 minutes ago, Grubster said:

The North Koreans are light years behind in all that stuff, they couldn't jam your car radio.

little do you know about a country that is capable to build nuclear devices and ICBMs and launch satellites into orbit.

[Grubster]

5 minutes ago, Naam said:

little do you know about a country that is capable to build nuclear devices and ICBMs and launch satellites into orbit.

Oh, you mean the things that we did 70 and 45 years ago? I'm sorry but in this context that is light years. Do you really think you know anything of the military technology we have now, I don't think I do but I can rest assured it will very easily take this po dunk country down while showing no more than 50% of any new toys.

[khunken]

16 minutes ago, Grubster said:

The North Koreans are light years behind in all that stuff, they couldn't jam your car radio. Are you drinking the same koolaid that was guzzled by western people who bought all the crap about how powerful Iraq's army was? Remember, we were told Iraq had the 4th most powerful military in the world. We are a gullible bunch aren't we?

To add to Naam's answer (above) just Google N Korea cyber hacking. Numerous western intelligence agencies (OK not always truthfully) attribute the Wannacry virus to N Korea so basically they could very likely fry your car radio.

Always dangerous for anyone to underestimate their enemy. BTW no army, no matter how powerful, can withstand bombs & missiles for very long. Oh & I wasn't one of the royal 'we' you mention.

[mrboatbkk]

Who is actually the threat NK or US?

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