In Person 90 day reporting

[JimGant]

I hate to start a new thread on this topic, but I can't find what I need searching thru the 93 pages of the Promenade thread. Anyway, I EMSed my last 90 day report on 23 June, and it got to Immigration on 26 June. No further action since. And on July 8th, my 90 days ran out.

 

So, off to Immigration next week, with a copy of my EMS data to show I'd sent it in. Question: What's the procedure for 90 day reporting in person these days -- get a queue number, I suppose, and is that at a certain desk -- or a conglomerate desk of getting queue numbers? What's the best time to go? And, besides all the well-published list of paperwork to provide, does a copy of my TM30 also need to be provided (nothing about this in the pinned section for 90 day reports).

 

Anyway, I know the beginning of the week will be affected by the holiday, so I'll aim for Thursday. After someone suggests the best time to go, what waiting time should I expect at that "best" time? Thanx.

[evenstevens]

300 baht service fee at G4T  visa agency located on the second floor will have you on your way  within one hour, if any longer the staff will let you know

and in your particular case  and time frame (holiday period) 300 baht well spent

sure the well known  visa agency  bashers,will be out in force

and to add to your o/p the very reason that E/S does not trust the mailing system, prefer to pay  and know that my house is in order immediately,then go through your process

its a Glenn Shorrock good evening to all

[elektrified]

As long as you have the proof it was received, nothing to worry about. Just show them your passport and they will find it in the computer and print a new 90-day slip for you.

 

Don't bother going in person. It's not necessary. Only once in about 10 years has mine gone missing. I just showed up at the Airport office at about 14:30 and they printed a new 90 day slip. Took all of about 10 minutes. This was about 2 years ago. I tried to show the postal receipt....they weren't interested.

 

Also, in the future I would recommend sending rong tabien (registered mail) and not EMS. Rong tabien is much more reliable.

Edited July 8, 2017 by elektrified

[amexpat]

2 hours ago, JimGant said:

Anyway, I EMSed my last 90 day report on 23 June, and it got to Immigration on 26 June.

Obviously OP tracked it to immigration so any distrust of the mailing system does not apply here. 

 

Yes, I am an agency basher who uses capitalization and punctuation and refers to himself in the first person - not in the third person like Richard Nixon and other nutters.  

[Sparkles]

1 hour ago, elektrified said:

As long as you have the proof it was received, nothing to worry about. Just show them your passport and they will find it in the computer and print a new 90-day slip for you.

 

Don't bother going in person. It's not necessary. Only once in about 10 years has mine gone missing. I just showed up at the Airport office at about 14:30 and they printed a new 90 day slip. Took all of about 10 minutes. This was about 2 years ago. I tried to show the postal receipt....they weren't interested.

 

Also, in the future I would recommend sending rong tabien (registered mail) and not EMS. Rong tabien is much more reliable.

Not sure why you would think registered mail  is more reliable than EMS,perhaps you could tell us why ? Never had a problem with EMS or any mail for that matter.Sometimes I track, on the internet where the envelope is just for the hell of it and its never,ever,more than 4 working days turn around.

[elektrified]

1 hour ago, Sparkles said:

Not sure why you would think registered mail  is more reliable than EMS,perhaps you could tell us why ? Never had a problem with EMS or any mail for that matter.Sometimes I track, on the internet where the envelope is just for the hell of it and its never,ever,more than 4 working days turn around.

Actually, the manager at the P.O. told me that registered is much safer and faster because the postal service handles it the entire time and if there is a problem they can figure it out easy. EMS is handed to a number of different private couriers and there is less control over it. We have had companies like Kerry Express, TNT, and several others over the years deliver EMS packages to my wife's business. (She gets about 6 packages a day.) She used to send items to customers in Bangkok, Nakhon Si Thammarat, etc. by EMS and at one time she had 4 packages missing and it took over 25 calls to get paid the insurance on one of them. Another time it took 17 days for an EMS package to get to Bangkok and the customer freaked out.

 

I once sent 350 Euros cash to someone in Germany. The recipient said that Deutsche Post never left a card notifying him of the attempted delivery and after 14 days it was returned to Thailand. The tracking ended in Lamphun. After about a month I went to the P.O. where I sent it from and talked to the manager. Although he was not happy that I sent cash, he told me that he would find it 100%. He checked the computer and called Lamphun on his radio. He told me that he knew the person in Lamphun who received it, and it would be on him to find/return it.  About a month later I got a call from the Manager. He said "I have your 350 Euros, come get it." When I went to pick it up, he did lecture me about sending cash, but also told me I was lucky I "sent it registered and not EMS or I would never have seen it again."

Edited July 8, 2017 by elektrified

[NancyL]

One of the newer offices on the ground floor of Immigration Prom. has a sign that says "90 day by mail" or something to that effect, implying this is where the little interns sit and process the incoming mail for a big cheese to stamp the 90 day receipts.

 

This could be a place to start to track down what happened to your posted 90 day report.

 

Otherwise, there is no need to hire an agent.  I did 90 day reports last week, arriving around 8:30 am, and was out by 9:15 am or so.  The two ladies who process the reports in the main office have a nice, quick work flow and seem to be enjoying themselves and banter with the customers.

[Dante99]

7 minutes ago, NancyL said:

The two ladies who process the reports in the main office have a nice, quick work flow and seem to be enjoying themselves and banter with the customers.

Sometimes they banter too much.  There was a Yank battering with them a few weeks back.  Almost everybody could hear him go on about his wife, money and tear jerking problems.  I finally ended up in the chair next to him as he was getting ready to go.  He offered his hand for one of the ladies to shake, when she took it, he bent down and kissed her hand.  She covered her mouth and face with her hands totally shocked.  He explained that it was US custom to kiss a lady's hand then looked at me.  "Her husband is going to shoot you" I said before he scurried out.

 

I have respect for the Immigration Officers put up with inappropriate behavior on a regular basis without simply whacking the offenders.

[terminatorchiangmai]

Did you used registered mail for your return mail ?

My last report with registered mail 2 ways took 14 days totally.

Was getting nervous also but i saw that it was send back to me just  the day before i wanted to go to immigration in person.

Edited July 9, 2017 by terminatorchiangmai

[Dmaxdan]

The last two 90 day reports I have done in person have been relatively hassle free. Both times, the last about a month ago I arrived at about
8am, was given a ticket number around 30 and was finished by 9.30am.
I don't really see the point in paying 300 baht for an agent unless you have money to burn.


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[Sparkles]

8 hours ago, elektrified said:

Actually, the manager at the P.O. told me that registered is much safer and faster because the postal service handles it the entire time and if there is a problem they can figure it out easy. EMS is handed to a number of different private couriers and there is less control over it. We have had companies like Kerry Express, TNT, and several others over the years deliver EMS packages to my wife's business. (She gets about 6 packages a day.) She used to send items to customers in Bangkok, Nakhon Si Thammarat, etc. by EMS and at one time she had 4 packages missing and it took over 25 calls to get paid the insurance on one of them. Another time it took 17 days for an EMS package to get to Bangkok and the customer freaked out.

 

I once sent 350 Euros cash to someone in Germany. The recipient said that Deutsche Post never left a card notifying him of the attempted delivery and after 14 days it was returned to Thailand. The tracking ended in Lamphun. After about a month I went to the P.O. where I sent it from and talked to the manager. Although he was not happy that I sent cash, he told me that he would find it 100%. He checked the computer and called Lamphun on his radio. He told me that he knew the person in Lamphun who received it, and it would be on him to find/return it.  About a month later I got a call from the Manager. He said "I have your 350 Euros, come get it." When I went to pick it up, he did lecture me about sending cash, but also told me I was lucky I "sent it registered and not EMS or I would never have seen it again."

Thanks for that. I can of course only verify my own experiences of never having a problem but I have never have, or would, send cash.Its interesting when you go onto the net and see that  the letter you post in Mae Hia at 9am goes to Lamphun and back to Imm the same day or at the latest the next morning.Thai Gov departments get a lot of bashing, and in some cases its deserved, but in the mail stakes I would give them 10/10.

Boxes of herbs etc from my wife's families farm in Petchabun  always arrive the very next day

[hml367]

Years ago, many years before Promenada, I tried mailing a 90 day report. It was received by Immigration according to tracking.  I went to the office on the last day and was told I would have to make the report that day.  So I joined the line.

 

Now I make a 5 minute drive from my home to an agent's office and they do it for me.  It is a much shorter drive than going to the post office.

 

Just my experience and not trying to sway anyone one way or the other.  I just can't see that I would try mail again being that it is so convenient for me at this time to have an agent do it.

[KhonKaenKowboy]

I used EMS last time and it went to Bangkok, then back to CM.  16 Entries on the tracking.  Something to be said for Registered.  My neighbor went in person last week and said it was an absolute breeze.  About 15:00, is the magical time.  The morning warriors get slaughtered on the routine stuff.  He has never done a TM30 and I don't think he even knows what it is.  Maybe a benefit of being 80+.

[elektrified]

14 minutes ago, KhonKaenKowboy said:

I used EMS last time and it went to Bangkok, then back to CM.  16 Entries on the tracking.  Something to be said for Registered.  My neighbor went in person last week and said it was an absolute breeze.  About 15:00, is the magical time.  The morning warriors get slaughtered on the routine stuff.  He has never done a TM30 and I don't think he even knows what it is.  Maybe a benefit of being 80+.

Agreed, EMS is only useful if you need the higher insurance.

 

As I stated in the 93 page Immigration thread..... I did my yearly extension last week. Went at 14:50. I was out of there by 16:00 and would have been out by 15:40 or so, but my passport was apparently taken to another office and nobody went to retrieve it until I got up and inquired. I have no idea what a TM30 is either but I suspect it's the form that solicits endless discussions both here and on FB. I've never been asked for it - and I'm a good 20+ years from being 80!

Edited July 9, 2017 by elektrified

[MrBrad]

As for going in person to Promenada,

• If you're unfamiliar with the procedure, you need to first check in at the 90-day desk that is outside.  Complete the required form, hand it and your passport to the woman behind the desk for checking that all's in order, and receive a queue number which will be called by the clerk inside the building where you should be waiting with others.
• Be aware that the office closes at 12 noon for an hour.  Arriving after 11 could have you waiting until early afternoon for completion of your report.

[CNXBKKMAN]

My last two 90 day reports I have done in person during the afternoon. Both times all done and on my way home within 10-15 minutes of arrival. 

[Thailand]

"Anyway, I EMSed my last 90 day report on 23 June, and it got to Immigration on 26 June. No further action since. And on July 8th, my 90 days ran out."

 

If they received your mail on 26th June why would 90 days run out on 8th July? You are assuming it did not get processed?

 

Just call immigration and ask on Tuesday, may save you a trip.

 

[Thailand]

7 minutes ago, Thailand said:

"Anyway, I EMSed my last 90 day report on 23 June, and it got to Immigration on 26 June. No further action since. And on July 8th, my 90 days ran out."

 

If they received your mail on 26th June why would 90 days run out on 8th July? You are assuming it did not get processed?

 

Just call immigration and ask on Tuesday, may save you a trip.

 

 

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[JimGant]

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"Anyway, I EMSed my last 90 day report on 23 June, and it got to Immigration on 26 June. No further action since. And on July 8th, my 90 days ran out."

 

If they received your mail on 26th June why would 90 days run out on 8th July? You are assuming it did not get processed?

Because my last "receipt of notification" has July 8 as the date to "notify your address again on." Thus, July 8 is the expiration date of my previous 90 day notification. And the guidance on this forum is -- for mail ins -- to mail "15 days" prior to expiration. I don't know if this means Immigration must receive it at least 15 days prior to expiration -- or it must be postmarked 15 days prior to expiration.....(?). In my case, 23 June's postmark was 16 days prior -- and Immigration receipt on 26 Jun was 13 days prior. Maybe I missed their definition of the "15 day" gate. Dunno (but I seriously doubt it).

 

Also, I paid for an EMS stamp for my return envelope -- which the wife saw affixed -- but she was told she could not have the tracking number...... Some mumbojumbo about tracking number not generated until mailed. This sounds bogus, as previously I'd gotten the return mail tracking number up front, so presumably that tracking number is part of the EMS stamp (and not a regeneration of the EMS stamp's barcode upon posting). Anyway, without a tracking number, I've no way to determine whether or not Immigration mailed it (and it's a post office screw up), or whether it still remains in Immigration, for whatever reason.

 

Will take Thailand's advice and call Immigration. Also, thanx to the other posters for their inputs. Sounds like, if I have to go in person, I won't be traumatized.

 

 

[JimGant]

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you need to first check in at the 90-day desk that is outside.  Complete the required form, hand it and your passport to the woman behind the desk for checking that all's in order,

I would have thought I could submit the same package I'd submitted by mail, namely: Filled in TM47, copy of pertinent passport pages, including 'admitted until' stamp, and a copy of TM6. Also, previous TM47 receipt (if applicable). No passport needed.

 

Still not certain about a copy of my last TM30.... Somebody, if I recall correctly, mentioned they were queried for such a copy during their 90 day report. I didn't mail such a copy, so maybe that's the stumbling block.......(?).

[KhonKaenKowboy]

Call them...they answer.  After several 4 or 5 day turnarounds, mine took 19 days in March, but I called and it was easy.  You make good points about return tracking.  Different employees will tell you different things standing two meters apart.  By CMU, I get stamps at a different counter, then they put the tracking sticker on it, but I have only seen one guy who could get both tracking numbers on the receipt, I usually just write it down.  The first time I used an EMS return, it never hit the system at all, but got back the next day.  I even considered reusing the stamps.  Registered worked like a charm for about half the cost, but we got a new carrier and his English is poor, and our building has been on Soi 8 for thirty years, but they put up a new sign declaring us soi 9...So I thought EMS would be safer, but was wrong.  I will post the tracking if I get a chance...comical.....

Edited July 9, 2017 by KhonKaenKowboy

[dingdongrb]

On 7/9/2017 at 0:30 PM, CNXBKKMAN said:

My last two 90 day reports I have done in person during the afternoon. Both times all done and on my way home within 10-15 minutes of arrival. 

Yepper, been doing that routine for the past 3 years or so...  Go in around 2 pm and hardly no wait. Went in last week, in and out in 15 minutes... (It probably would have been sooner but one of the gals that processes the 90 day likes to chat it up.)

[JimGant]

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Call them...they answer.

Indeed, they did. Nice lady found my name right away, and advised that the receipt had been sent out on June 27th (they received it June 26th -- nice quick response). So, we called our post office, and, yep, there it had sat since June 28th, when our mailman brought it back after our maid said, "nope, never heard of him." Anyway, all's well that ends well -- and the maid has been briefed to sign for any mail in the future.

[evenstevens]

with good jest intended

another  way to get rolled in the 90 day report  mail  in system,

its a James Taylor , beddy byes to all

[Chiengmaijoe]

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017 at 6:57 AM, dingdongrb said:

Yepper, been doing that routine for the past 3 years or so...  Go in around 2 pm and hardly no wait. Went in last week, in and out in 15 minutes... (It probably would have been sooner but one of the gals that processes the 90 day likes to chat it up.)

If I miss doing it by mail, I leave it till after 3pm, but hopefully the panic merchants don't catch on and keep getting there before the place even opens!

[Thailand]

On 13 July 2017 at 11:42 AM, JimGant said:

Indeed, they did. Nice lady found my name right away, and advised that the receipt had been sent out on June 27th (they received it June 26th -- nice quick response). So, we called our post office, and, yep, there it had sat since June 28th, when our mailman brought it back after our maid said, "nope, never heard of him." Anyway, all's well that ends well -- and the maid has been briefed to sign for any mail in the future.

EMS/register in, standard postage stamp  (3 baht?) return.

 

Used that last time with 4/5 day turnaround with no problem.Check online that it was received.

 

Even if the maid stays dumb it will still get delivered with normal post.

[JimGant]

Not sure what you're saying...... As I indicated earlier, post office -- for some reason -- failed to give my wife (who mailed the package) the return envelope tracking data, with some mumbojumbo about it not being available. Pure BS, as the EMS sticker, which he affixed, has the tracking number clearly embedded. Anyway, maybe wife got confused. Had we had this tracking info, we could have seen the return envelope was lying in the post office as undeliverable. Doubt this will ever happen again.

[Thailand]

9 hours ago, JimGant said:

Not sure what you're saying...... As I indicated earlier, post office -- for some reason -- failed to give my wife (who mailed the package) the return envelope tracking data, with some mumbojumbo about it not being available. Pure BS, as the EMS sticker, which he affixed, has the tracking number clearly embedded. Anyway, maybe wife got confused. Had we had this tracking info, we could have seen the return envelope was lying in the post office as undeliverable. Doubt this will ever happen again.

No need to pay for EMS or registered mail for return of receipt of notification of 90 day report.

 

EMS/ register out so you can confirm immigration has received the package. Simply enclose a sae for the return, it works and nobody has to sign for it.

[Rimmer]

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