income affidavit

[rodknock]

if i was in the U.S. and returning to Thailand could i have an income affidavit notarized in the U.S. and use it at immigration or does it have to be from the embassy.

[glegolo]

Nop,, nothing from USA goes here inside Thailand. So you have to use your embassy for sure...

 

Glegolo

[perthperson]

" i have an income affidavit notarized in the U.S. and use it at immigration" 

 

No............

[ubonjoe]

22 minutes ago, rodknock said:

if i was in the U.S. and returning to Thailand could i have an income affidavit notarized in the U.S. and use it at immigration or does it have to be from the embassy.

No

Immigration will only accept one done at the embassy in Bangkok or the consulate in Chiang Mai.

[Lamkyong]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

No

Immigration will only accept one done at the embassy in Bangkok or the consulate in Chiang Mai.

well at least you have a choice in Thailand  the UK only accepts  bkk +actual original  documents as proof  no sworn affidavits   

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, Lamkyong said:

well at least you have a choice in Thailand  the UK only accepts  bkk +actual original  documents as proof  no sworn affidavits   

But the UK embassy accepts the application for a income letter by mail.  Not sure how thoroughly they check the submitted proof either.

[wgdanson]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

But the UK embassy accepts the application for a income letter by mail.  Not sure how thoroughly they check the submitted proof either.

On the form for the British Embassy it says in RED letters....'Please note that we will use the financial figures provided on this form and will not check or amend any financial amounts' ie. Put what you want on the form.

 

[perthperson]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

But the UK embassy accepts the application for a income letter by mail.  Not sure how thoroughly they check the submitted proof either.

 

In reality little or no "checking" takes place given that the British embassy can issue letters so quickly. At least they demand some proof of income before a letter will be issued 

[perthperson]

2 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

On the form for the British Embassy it says in RED letters....'Please note that we will use the financial figures provided on this form and will not check or amend any financial amounts' ie. Put what you want on the form.

 

The figures on the form must match the figures on the "proof" or a letter will not be issued.

[wgdanson]

18 minutes ago, perthperson said:

The figures on the form must match the figures on the "proof" or a letter will not be issued.

Yes Mr Perthperson, you are right. But what if someone had a genuine pension income in UK going into their UK bank of say Bht 400,000 (£9113), get the letter from the Consulate, and they then transfer that into a Thai bank account for three months. Hey presto 800,000 for only 400,000. No?

[ubonjoe]

12 hours ago, wgdanson said:

Yes Mr Perthperson, you are right. But what if someone had a genuine pension income in UK going into their UK bank of say Bht 400,000 (£9113), get the letter from the Consulate, and they then transfer that into a Thai bank account for three months. Hey presto 800,000 for only 400,000. No?

How do you think that would work.

I assume you mean somebody has a annual income of 400k baht proven by 33.33k baht going into a bank every month.

If they had 400k baht in the bank and transferred it to a Thai bank they could  use the combination option of income and money in the bank to reach a total of 800k baht.

 

[wgdanson]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

How do you think that would work.

I assume you mean somebody has a annual income of 400k baht proven by 33.33k baht going into a bank every month.

If they had 400k baht in the bank and transferred it to a Thai bank they could  use the combination option of income and money in the bank to reach a total of 800k baht.

 

Yes. But it does not have to be a monthly deposit into UK bank. Someone I know gets his pension paid annually.

 

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

Yes. But it does not have to be a monthly deposit into UK bank. Someone I know gets his pension paid annually.

 

In theory what you wrote could be done but not sure what the person would be living on while the 400k baht was in the bank.

[maewang99]

there's no other way to do this, is there? just swear to it.

'all income from any source' (the basic US Code provision where income tax law begins, speaking as to the USA) is gross income..... but there is no filing requirement unless that pension income is taxable past a threshold. so there is nothing for the Embassy or Consulate to use... even if they had all the time in the world to confirm stuff.... because of that... plus..... bank secrecy laws.

we won't be asked to disclose overseas bank deposits because there is no official or recorded way.... for now... for anyone to know this stuff for any other official purpose... and.... there are bank secrecy laws that prevail. just copies of bank statements.. but not anything officially tracked or reported.

so... because "pension income" as needed to be known for Thai immigration isn't necessarily at all related to a taxable amount in the USA... i.e. previously taxed or exempted trust distributions.....

there's ****no**** way to verify other than bank accounts.... and regardless of FATCA so far, bank secrecy rules the day. I can't file a correct Thai tax return because my Thai holdings are kept in a secret nominee name. bank secrecy requires it. even in spite of being a clear and open and shut violation of a tax treaty (US-Thai Double Taxation... Non Discrimination Clause). copies of brokerage and bank account statements are not at all acceptable by Thai Revenue (at least not in Chiangmai they are not).

so.... all they can ever get is an affidavit. 

but as for me, I would not be able to swear to a false amount.... I have too much German blood in me.... I guess... that's why my mom still points out to me sometimes that I am 'Pennsylvania Dutch'.







   

[wgdanson]

15 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

In theory what you wrote could be done but not sure what the person would be living on while the 400k baht was in the bank.

The 400k from last year!

[1SteveC]

13 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

No

Immigration will only accept one done at the embassy in Bangkok or the consulate in Chiang Mai.

 

You can also get the affadavit when they do their outreach services - such as Udon Thani.

 

https://th.usembassy.gov/consular-outreach-udon-thani-072117/

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, 1SteveC said:

 

You can also get the affadavit when they do their outreach services - such as Udon Thani.

 

https://th.usembassy.gov/consular-outreach-udon-thani-072117/

Same as doing it at the embassy since it on letter head for the embassy.

[1SteveC]

25 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Same as doing it at the embassy since it on letter head for the embassy.

 

Very true, I just mentioned it as it may save someone a lengthy journey.  :-)

[wgdanson]

39 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

The 400k from last year!

What would the person be living on while 800k was lingering in the Thai bank?

 

[perthperson]

5 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

What would the person be living on while 800k was lingering in the Thai bank?

 

You might be surprised but many people choose to leave 800K in the bank and live of other sources of income, 800k is not a huge amount of money.

[wgdanson]

1 minute ago, perthperson said:

You might be surprised but many people choose to leave 800K in the bank and live of other sources of income, 800k is not a huge amount of money.

I agree with you. But if that person has 'other sources of income' eg pension, why not do the combination route and only have 400k in the bank, which is 50% of not a huge amount of money!

 

[perthperson]

1 minute ago, wgdanson said:

I agree with you. But if that person has 'other sources of income' eg pension, why not do the combination route and only have 400k in the bank, which is 50% of not a huge amount of money!

 

 

You will have to ask the person who will likely say "none of your business"  or " its a matter of personal choice"

[YetAnother]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

they could  use the combination option of income and money in the bank to reach a total of 800k baht.

doubtless you are right; i do wonder however if the immigration office in my relatively small city would be savvy enough to use that method; wouldnt surprise me a bit , given my experience with them, that they wouldnt even know that option existed (wouldnt that be fun tryng to explain it to them and having them believe you...)

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

doubtless you are right; i do wonder however if the immigration office in my relatively small city would be savvy enough to use that method; wouldnt surprise me a bit , given my experience with them, that they wouldnt even know that option existed (wouldnt that be fun tryng to explain it to them and having them believe you...)

I think you might surprised it you knew how many people use that option.

No need to explain anything since it is clearly written in the police order for extensions of stay.