Forget About The Visa Situation Forcing The Move

[gharknes]

Yes it might and I know what you are saying but somehow if these bombings became a constant, I would not feel comfortable

How do you think the Londoners felt when those pricks from the IRA were bombing them?They stuck around.

Symptoms and Causes.

How do you think the Irish felt with a Billion sterling and a thousand tons of Foreign armour perpetuating an apartheid regime.

I was under the impression this was a Thai forum not an open forum of Foreign Politics where it would appear inappropriate terms are used to discuss a current situation in Thailand.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." Newton's Third Law of Motion

Unfortunately some reactions are more unequal that the initial cause.

Mossfinn

there have been many conflicts throughout the world where borders where put in place to resolve ethnic/religeous difference, this wasn't good enough for some of the republican/catholic populous of Ireland, they continued to bomb and murder inocent people for many many years

and now where's all the money ??????

if you where to go back to the beggining of conflict in Ireland and where asked to propose a peacefull solution for both sides, I'd be very surprised if you suggested anything other than a border, it is simply not practical to say Brits out, there where both protestant and catholic families that wanted to remain in the then CREATED Nothern Ireland part of the UK, all those people died so a few could line their pockets and are still doing so, i lived in Belfast through the worst of the bombings and murders, what was it all for, because one side wasn't happy with a perfectly resonable resolution.....................................Greed and Power for a few that still reap the benefits today

[bina]

become my neighbhor in a small tranquil kibbutz outside of jerusalem. we can teach u how to go thru any kind of bomb threat search scare or reality (been there donethat one too); and u know what? after my minor car crash due to stupid soldier girl in a hurry to get to her base on time, it makes me rethink that i should move to the states due to crazy israeli drivers. the bombs are less of a problem me thinks...at least the drivers in america are more polite after they crash into u...

grow up. the only way to ensure that u wont die in a bomb, car crash, freak accident or whatever , is to be already dead.......

bina

<deleted> do crazy ISRAELI drivers have to do with Victory Monument, Chit Lom and Pratunam bombings? My daddy always told me to stay away from anything Israeli

the point being, we have bombs all the time, so what??? my chance of dying in a car crash are still much much higher... so for thailand and bangkok, even more so... (chance of dying in a car or motorcy crash that is...) try reading the whole post and u would understand the dry humor also...

i just cant understand the panic really...

[Nikkijah]

become my neighbhor in a small tranquil kibbutz outside of jerusalem. we can teach u how to go thru any kind of bomb threat search scare or reality (been there donethat one too); and u know what? after my minor car crash due to stupid soldier girl in a hurry to get to her base on time, it makes me rethink that i should move to the states due to crazy israeli drivers. the bombs are less of a problem me thinks...at least the drivers in america are more polite after they crash into u...

grow up. the only way to ensure that u wont die in a bomb, car crash, freak accident or whatever , is to be already dead.......

bina

<deleted> do crazy ISRAELI drivers have to do with Victory Monument, Chit Lom and Pratunam bombings? My daddy always told me to stay away from anything Israeli

the point being, we have bombs all the time, so what??? my chance of dying in a car crash are still much much higher... so for thailand and bangkok, even more so... (chance of dying in a car or motorcy crash that is...) try reading the whole post and u would understand the dry humor also...

i just cant understand the panic really...

Me too Bina, whilst I feel saddened for the families of the deceased, I am not going to hide!

I read reports on the BBC website of people who were out and about cancelling their celebrations, going home early!!?? Cancelling their night out in a bar in Khao San Rd, cancelling their night out in Sukhumvit!? For what? If it was out of respect for the dead then I can understand it... but I think this country - if it is about to endure bombing campaigns in the capital - needs to toughen up!

Nikkijah

[Nignoy]

become my neighbhor in a small tranquil kibbutz outside of jerusalem. we can teach u how to go thru any kind of bomb threat search scare or reality (been there donethat one too); and u know what? after my minor car crash due to stupid soldier girl in a hurry to get to her base on time, it makes me rethink that i should move to the states due to crazy israeli drivers. the bombs are less of a problem me thinks...at least the drivers in america are more polite after they crash into u...

grow up. the only way to ensure that u wont die in a bomb, car crash, freak accident or whatever , is to be already dead.......

bina

I agree with Bina, , its a dangerous world we live in, when it is your time to cast off your earthly shell, whether it be caused by bomb ,bullet, car , or even frying pan swung by the wife, it is all ready written you cannot change it, if you are meant to go then you are gone, I got injured in 62 in borneo, Blown up in Crossmaglen in 1968, I have 90% disabilty, but i lived and worked even moved to oz because I,m a sucker for punishment I,m diabetic, got a pacemaker, more steel joints and plates than a 64 holden, but until they screw down that lid we will continue to get old disgracefully and for 6 months of the year enjoy motorbiking mayhem in good old downtown Thailand, Sawadi Pimai Nignoy

<deleted> do crazy ISRAELI drivers have to do with Victory Monument, Chit Lom and Pratunam bombings? My daddy always told me to stay away from anything Israeli

I thought that bina's point is that even in a dangerous place like Israel, the real danger happened to be a stupid driver in a car. My friends work there, and even rode the bus route after it was bombed. I worked in Chiapas, my friends have worked unarmed in conflict zones in Iraq, Haiti, Colombia, Palestine, etc. Okay, a few of them got stoned, kidnapped, tortured; one was murdered; and one died in a car wreck. Only the southern provinces here resemble a conflict zone yet.

Granted, if these bombings continue and spread around many parts of Thailand, it might be too dangerous.

[Mossfinn]

Yes it might and I know what you are saying but somehow if these bombings became a constant, I would not feel comfortable

How do you think the Londoners felt when those pricks from the IRA were bombing them?They stuck around.

Symptoms and Causes.

How do you think the Irish felt with a Billion sterling and a thousand tons of Foreign armour perpetuating an apartheid regime.

I was under the impression this was a Thai forum not an open forum of Foreign Politics where it would appear inappropriate terms are used to discuss a current situation in Thailand.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." Newton's Third Law of Motion

Unfortunately some reactions are more unequal that the initial cause.

Mossfinn

there have been many conflicts throughout the world where borders where put in place to resolve ethnic/religeous difference, this wasn't good enough for some of the republican/catholic populous of Ireland, they continued to bomb and murder inocent people for many many years

Are you suggesting the bombings and murder were solely in the domain of republican/catholic persuasion?

and now where's all the money ??????

if you where to go back to the beggining of conflict in Ireland and where asked to propose a peacefull solution for both sides, I'd be very surprised if you suggested anything other than a border, Probably Not, it is simply not practical to say Brits out, there where both protestant and catholic families that wanted to remain in the then CREATED Nothern Ireland part of the UK, Quite agree all those people died so a few could line their pockets and are still doing so, Again I agree i lived in Belfast through the worst of the bombings and murders, what was it all for, because one side wasn't happy with a perfectly resonable resolution A Reasonable Solution, is a questionable and arbitrary point of view.....................................Greed and Power for a few that still reap the benefits today I presume here you mean the Protestant hierarchy

I have no problem with your response of the senseless killing being a totally mindless and horrific way to continue a political message.

But you know and I know, that N.I was created in appeasement of the Protestant Majority in the North East of the country and in flagrant disregard of the promises made to Redmond for Home Rule for Catholic support during the Uk's dark days of the latter part of the WW1.

I guess you will also be aware that the six county solution was also a concession to the Protestant population and further gerrymandering of the borders enforced a six county Protestant Majority from the original four county proposal.

My previous post was referring to the apartheid regime imposed and supported by the British Gov't that held the discrimination of the Catholic in total disregard and contempt, finally it broke and the Civil Rights movements was hijacked by the more miliant and power crazed forces of the Terrorist Groups.

But to suggest that the murder/bombings and terror was a one street, well if you lived there then you would know that this is total misrepresentation of the facts.

Google the Dublin bombs of 1974 and the murder rates of the Protestant Terror Groups that out killed the Catholic terror Groups during the madness of the 70's.

This and previous posts are not in any way to be taken as support or succour to terrorist groups that perpetuate terror in any way.

Hopefully the bombs in Bangkok are a one off, but if not, populations throughout time and the world will find a way to continue and finally destroy those that attempt to circumvent the rule of democracy and law, even where it is presently not completely in place.

Good Luck

Moss

[farangsay]

I do hope you guys realise you are so far that

you woild need a visa and an expensive plane ticket to get back.

The OP is probably an American (just going by his nick).

I remember being in France when Stallone cancelled his

visit for a film festival because there was some terrorist

scare or other (not related to France just something general).

An entrprising French company immediately produced

T-shirts with Stallone in Rambo persona but with the

word WIMPO printed underneath.

Americans tend to be nervous overseas unless they are

covered by the "chain of command" and have an M16

in their hands.

With these attributes they can still be nervous but they

add lethal to the mix.

Be more understanding please. Don't confuse them with

complex political/social issues they could never understand.

Edited January 6, 2007 by farangsay

[Nignoy]

I do hope you guys realise you are so far that

you woild need a visa and an expensive plane ticket to get back.

The OP is probably an American (just going by his nick).

I remember being in France when Stallone cancelled his

visit for a film festival because there was some terrorist

scare or other (not related to France just something general).

An entrprising French company immediately produced

T-shirts with Stallone in Rambo persona but with the

word WIMPO printed underneath.

Americans tend to be nervous overseas unless they are

covered by the "chain of command" and have an M16

in their hands.

With these attributes they can still be nervous but they

add lethal to the mix.

Be more understanding please. Don't confuse them with

complex political/social issues they could never understand.

Bombings and civil unrest and racial prejudice are part of our everyday life today, what I was trying to say in my previous hamfisted statement was,tragic though the situation in thailand was or is through these bombings. we should not let it negatively influence our lives in thailand , or any where else,I did not mean to go off topic and create another thread I was just using my life as an example and trying to say what my wife and I think Nignoy

[bina]

same same.....

but then again, i still eat spinach, and green onions, i dont use antibiotic ointments or purrell hand cleanser,

and i'm still alive and kicking.........

BOOM!!!

[Mossfinn]

BOOM!!!

Wrong Thread in my opinion.

BOOM!!! should happen to the ejit who keeps posting racist remarks about the Isaan girl.

Good Luck

Moss

[bmanly]

I arrived on a flight into BKK on May 17th 1992, that was the day the coup of the time massacred between 500 to 1000 Thai people in the streets of Bangkok. We were rushed home from the airport by the family, soldiers had taken over most of the Police stations and it looked a bit scary. We laid low, stayed home with the family and took a trip to Hat Yai as soon as we could.

Events like these latest bombings will come and go, best to keep a low profile, stay out of their political affairs and carry on as usual. At the moment the only provinces I will stay out of are the 3 down south, bombs are going off there on a daily basis. If Bangkok ever got to that stage I would simply go live elsewhere in the country (if I lived there that is), I hope that never happens.

[mogoso]

Americans tend to be nervous overseas unless they are

covered by the "chain of command" and have an M16

in their hands.

With these attributes they can still be nervous but they

add lethal to the mix.

Be more understanding please. Don't confuse them with

complex political/social issues they could never understand.

I'm an American. I don't need no chain of command to wander around where and when I please. I ain't no cheese eating appeasement monkey and while I

was an expert with a M-16 at one time I don't carry anything around with me other than my wits. I been in a great deal of odd places at odd times throughout the world and haven't had to do much other than to crunch up a couple of drunk germans on Koh Samui over the last 30 years.

I don't need no socialist pantywaist psuedointellectual euro bullcrap to tell me what ways the wind blowing and insult my countrys people.

Edited January 6, 2007 by endure
Edited for religious slurs

[Jet Gorgon]

I don't need no socialist pantywaist psuedointellectual euro bullcrap to tell me what ways the wind blowing and insult my countrys people. You tell'em, Mogoso.

It's funny that Farangsay's mug looks prettry darnfangled 'merican to me but he seems to hate the new colony people.

Farangsay, wanna play crib or snap or shop at the suburban mall or shoot a doe for dinner and mebbe drink some hooch? I would be pleased to teach you, Sir, if you don't know how. You should enjoy some real 'merican hospitality.

[DrFisher]

I was on my way through the Holland Tunnel on Canal Street in New York city on September 11, 2001. People with an agenda will always find a way to hurt others out of ignorants no matter where you are in the world (except maybe South Dakota). The point is terrorism is designed to terrorize you into doing what they want you to. Your not safe anywhere in this world until people stop following uneducated, ignorant people and stop believing in the dark age superstitions and get a life.

[Ulysses G.]

The OP is probably an American (just going by his nick).

Blah, blah, blah...

About the only thing you have gotten right is calling yourself a "Retarded Member".

[Jet Gorgon]

The OP is probably an American (just going by his nick).

Blah, blah, blah...

About the only thing you have gotten right is calling yourself a "Retarded Member".

Ooooh, blow above the brain belt there, Ulysses.

Hope friend mogoso didn't leave us forever. We might need him in an emergency op.

[pampal]

Terrorist wish to change the way people live.

In the US after 9/11, a great deal of the freedoms enjoyed by US citizens were curbed by the Patriot Act and subsequent legislation. The UK has bent over backwards to cooperate with the US in it's persecution of the so called war on terror and also has fallen victim to terror attacks, which in turn have changed many aspects of life there.

After 9/11 in the US, a car backfiring would cause people to dive for cover, everyone was paranoid.

Who remembers the duct tape fiasco of Homeland security, where the head of that agency suggested people buy duct tape and there was a run on the item, with many stores selling out. General paranoia exacerbated by gov't bumbling.

Anyways, it's the terrorists job to alter your way of life, and if you look closely, many things we have taken for granted have changed. The most important thing is to not let them change your daily routine, or make afraid or nervous. That's what terror really means. If people and gov'ts are nervous and afraid and paranoid, the terrorists have already won. Don't become affected by their terror and you have won.

[pampal]

I was on my way through the Holland Tunnel on Canal Street in New York city on September 11, 2001. People with an agenda will always find a way to hurt others out of ignorants no matter where you are in the world (except maybe South Dakota). The point is terrorism is designed to terrorize you into doing what they want you to. Your not safe anywhere in this world until people stop following uneducated, ignorant people and stop believing in the dark age superstitions and get a life.

South Dakota can be very dangerous,

Remember the Wounded Knee Massacre 1890

1.   www.lastoftheindependents.com/wounded.htm

2.   en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Massacres

3.   www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/knee.htm

"By the end of this brutal, unnecessary violence, which lasted less than an hour, at least 150 Indians had been killed and 50 wounded"

All done in the name of democracy and nation building.

Think again Dr. Fischer

[Felt 35]

No way if I want to stay on, if all Thailand gets like in the deep south.

I have been a few years with the UN in the Middle East and East Europe.

That’s was Bomb’s enough for a lifetime.

No thank you. Not any more. We are around only once.

[thaihome]

socialist pantywaist psuedointellectual euro bullcrap

Can I use that or have you copywrited it?

TH

[ilyushin]

Not leaving! No way. Will not!

Hopefully the blasts have stopped now.

[Ulysses G.]

Who wants to live in a country which was founded on racism and even racially discriminates between their own people?

Israel and USA 5uck5s big time, and Bina is out of topic. point.

I might be more convinced of your brilliant insights if you knew how to spell.

[Dupont]

Lot of older people in the UK missed the blitz, missed, meaning looked back on it fondly.

Loads of knees up to remember it running right into the 70's and 80's as I remeber. Chaz and Dave did well out of it I remember.

Brought most people together which should happen here. There are enough motorbike taxis, vendors etc, to keep eyes and ears open. Even the mafia helped in the war, and I notice the tuk tuk drivers in Patong will nab pickpockets etc, hand em to police (after a beating) etc as they realise the tourist money coming in is affected.

Thais in my experience have almost photographic memories... when it suits them.

[OlRedEyes]

I wouldn't leave because of bombings, unless this threatens to turn into a full blown 'war', which I can't see.

I wouldn't leave because of a military gov if it doesn't go wild.

I wouldn't leave because of the growth of xenophobia unless it starts turning ugly.

I wouldn't leave because I can't really own any property or business.

Etc. Etc.

But start to put them all together, well, it becomes another story, innit.

I wonder, how welcome does everybody feel here these days, and how do those that are starting to feel unwelcome feel about living where you aren't anymore... but thats off-topic. Sort of.

BTW, referring to the title, methinks the visa situation is much more important to farang than the bombs.

Edited January 7, 2007 by OlRedEyes

[Couthy]

I'm an American. I don't need no chain of command to wander around where and when I please. I ain't no cheese eating appeasement monkey and while I

was an expert with a M-16 at one time I don't carry anything around with me other than my wits. I been in a great deal of odd places at odd times throughout the world and haven't had to do much other than to crunch up a couple of drunk germans on Koh Samui over the last 30 years.

I don't need no socialist pantywaist psuedointellectual euro bullcrap to tell me what ways the wind blowing and insult my countrys people.

What books you been reading recently : Oooohhh, what a 'cracker' you are.

"Freedom fries".......har....har...har....The mentality of you type folks is mind bending.

'Cheese eating appeasement........etc...etc' :

Here's the deal; France (and numerous other countries) realised that Iraq had zilch to do with 9/11.

But Brain Dead Bush, who may it be said avoided the Vietnam conflict by dodgy means, managed to convince a whole bunch of people who do not even know where Iraq actually is that it was Saddam who done it!.

Oh- My Grandmother was a Socialist - she fought and fought to get the National Health Service introduced to UK.

Know why?. She had five daughters: Four died, the last at 18 from meningitis as you had to pay doctors in those days.

Shipyard workers didn't earn much and were hired by the day and that's what her husband worked as.

My Mother is 75 and a Socialist - she would kick your red neck arse around the block.

[OlRedEyes]

[bina]

why do people go on and on about america and grt. britain but i mention the home i live at and people go ballistic.

we just have more experience dealing with the everyday realities of bombs... i didnt and wont mention political things on this forum as the regulars know by know...

but most thai i know all around our little warred up country seem to deal ok with whats going on (and its not JUST the money they make)... its just not as problematic as people seem to think.

its like (Yes,i'll say it as an ex american) the american tourists that come here and drink only bottled water and put antibiotice ointment on every scrape... they are slightly on the more delicate hysterical side i think when it comes to dealing with BAD AND SCARY things.... like isnt there tons of rape murder child knappers in the european/american/grt. brit area???

so a few bombs scare people but everyday murders rapes theives, shoot outs etc doesnt.?????

PERSPECTIVE PERSPECTIVE

beneath the beautiful exotic exterior of thailand lurks the same thieves, rapists murders bombers fanatics etc just like anywhere else in the world (well, maybe not in tasmania or someplace similar) along with the nice people great fruit and food, etc etc etc

so i say and so does anon (thai husband) here on kibbutz.....

i'd say the visa problem is more serious toooooo..................

bina and anon

with love from israel

[Jet Gorgon]

socialist pantywaist psuedointellectual euro bullcrap

Can I use that or have you copywrited it?

TH

Methinks Endure had a hand in crafting that brilliant phrase credited to Mogoso. See original message.

[DrFisher]

I was on my way through the Holland Tunnel on Canal Street in New York city on September 11, 2001. People with an agenda will always find a way to hurt others out of ignorants no matter where you are in the world (except maybe South Dakota). The point is terrorism is designed to terrorize you into doing what they want you to. Your not safe anywhere in this world until people stop following uneducated, ignorant people and stop believing in the dark age superstitions and get a life.

South Dakota can be very dangerous,

Remember the Wounded Knee Massacre 1890

1. www.lastoftheindependents.com/wounded.htm

2. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Massacres

3. www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/knee.htm

"By the end of this brutal, unnecessary violence, which lasted less than an hour, at least 150 Indians had been killed and 50 wounded"

All done in the name of democracy and nation building.

Think again Dr. Fischer

I am part Hunkpati Dakota (related to the Hunkpapa Lakota), thanks for your history lesson but as you mentioned that was 1890 and there was gold involved. I'm talking about the 21st century. I don't know many Native Americans that have a hang up about the past you should get over it too and help be part of the solution for today and tomorrow. Living with old ideas and "sins of the father" is responsible for a large part of what is going on today.

[endure]

socialist pantywaist psuedointellectual euro bullcrap

Can I use that or have you copywrited it?

TH

Methinks Endure had a hand in crafting that brilliant phrase credited to Mogoso. See original message.

On the contrary I try to avoid ignorant generalisations especially those that employ the word 'Euro' as though Europe is one great homogeneous mass whereas in fact Europe is a land area made up of 45 separate countries with separate legal systems, institutions and cultures. Anyone who believes that 'Euro' describes anything other than banknotes needs to get out more and read some history.

[Jet Gorgon]

I was thinking more about the witty adjectives...

Edited January 8, 2007 by Jet Gorgon