Future govts ‘will be wary of populist policies’ after action against ex-PM

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

He is playing the long game. The junta cannot cling on to power forever. 

 

As soon as they are gone his party will win the election and the process of fixing what they have broken can begin again, just as it did in 2001 and 2008.

 

He is no hero of mine, but the Junta seem intent on making Yingluck a martyr while at the same time making another Shin backed government an inevitability with their rudderless mismanagement of the country. 

I would hope that the junta can't cling to power forever. I want them gone too. I want a good goverment in power (don't care about the color) but one that is not out to enrich themselves and does things transparently. (and then I woke up and understood this will never happen)

 

But I don't see Thaksin ever coming back, as for making YL a martyr maybe, maybe not. I do know that there will always be people loving Thaksin and YL. 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, jaywalker said:

You make many good points.

 

It's socialism at its heart & soul.

 

Sounds fantastic on paper, & works for a bit, until you run out of other people's money.

 

A complete, total overhaul of the education system, would be a great start.

 

I blame corruption & graft for not allowing, nor wanting for it to happen.

 

General P. did bring an end to a lot of chaos, but aside from beach chairs etc has done precious little to move the country forward.

I am more a capitalist, with of course a bit of socialism  but neither full socialism nor full capitalism works. Problem is too much socialism and you kill innovation, too much capitalism and you kill the poor. hard to balance it I am pro middle class, never the real rich. 

[Pridilives]

5 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

I have little pity for her she has so much money and she put herself in this position to benefit her family (see amnesty). I have far more empathy for real poor people in trouble. These politicians are in it for themselves and know the risks and have enough money to bail out when they want. 

 

My pity goes out to people like the parents from those that were killed by Jentrop and other unfairness in Thailand. People who don't have YL her means. She went here willingly to help her family and she lost. 

How is amount money Yingluck have relevant about justice being done or not. If you really have empathy for poor then you want poor can vote for government they choose. 

Yingluck not lose. Just your short sight make you think that.

[jaywalker]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

I am more a capitalist, with of course a bit of socialism  but neither full socialism nor full capitalism works. Problem is too much socialism and you kill innovation, too much capitalism and you kill the poor. hard to balance it I am pro middle class, never the real rich. 

Yeah, nothing wrong with giving a man a fish....as long he's learning how to catch fish for himself.

 

I saw a college student in the US not long ago counting out his pennys & asking the gal how much a biscuit (big hunk of bread in the US) would cost with a few different toppings. He couldn't afford any of them.

 

I just told the lady to get him whatever he wants & I'll pay for it.

 

He profusely thanked me just before he ran off to class with a sausage biscuit with egg and cheese on it.

 

 

Edited July 23, 2017 by jaywalker

[jaywalker]

7 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

How is amount money Yingluck have relevant about justice being done or not. If you really have empathy for poor then you want poor can vote for government they choose. 

Yingluck not lose. Just your short sight make you think that.

Ummm.

 

They extradite and arrest a monk in record time, as he only had 40-50 million baht.

 

Red Bull heir gets away after killing a cop.

 

Yingluck trial lasting years & years.

 

I think money has a lot to do with it.

[Lupatria]

7 hours ago, rooster59 said:

“I think the next government would be more careful on policy choices regarding the farm sector,” Nada said.

No need for the "future government" because they granted themselves amnesty already some time ago. 

[Pridilives]

11 minutes ago, jaywalker said:

Ummm.

 

They extradite and arrest a monk in record time, as he only had 40-50 million baht.

 

Red Bull heir gets away after killing a cop.

 

Yingluck trial lasting years & years.

 

I think money has a lot to do with it.

Yingluck trial last long time because nonsense charge. Junta just want to yingluck out of politic. Money influence a lot in Thailand but this case yingluck not about money is purely about politic. Thanks in billionaire but judge still convict. Why. Because about politic. Money  is NOT a lot do with it. This 100% politic.

[billd766]

44 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

Quite an achievement by junta. Thaksin has moral high ground. He is clever for play long game. 

 

A convicted criminal with outstanding charges has the moral high ground?

 

I assume that you are joking in saying that.

 

Do you really admire criminals that much.

 

Please try to rmemember that Thaksin was given a fair trial, found guilty, given bail and skipped the country. This under a PPP government led by his brother in law, Somchai Wongsawat.

 

Thaksin didn't even appeal against his guilty sentence.

[Monomial]

32 minutes ago, robblok said:

I am more a capitalist, with of course a bit of socialism  but neither full socialism nor full capitalism works. Problem is too much socialism and you kill innovation, too much capitalism and you kill the poor. hard to balance it I am pro middle class, never the real rich. 

 

You should take a look at distributism if you feel this way. It is a much better philosophy than either capitalism or socialism in my opinion. It is interesting that there were many 3rd rail philosophies in the world before the sieve of the cold war forced everyone to pledge allegiance to either capitalism or communism. The sufficiency economy was just one of these that managed to survive because of the king, and in fact was a big factor in my positive feelings for Thailand when I first came here 20 years ago.

 

Like politics, socioeconomics is not a line, nor any 2 dimensional shape for that matter. It is a multi dimensional Riemann manifold in Hilbert space. There are an infinite number of different extents to consider.

 

 

[jaywalker]

7 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

Yingluck trial last long time because nonsense charge. Junta just want to yingluck out of politic. Money influence a lot in Thailand but this case yingluck not about money is purely about politic. Thanks in billionaire but judge still convict. Why. Because about politic. Money  is NOT a lot do with it. This 100% politic.

Controlling politics is nothing more than controlling money.

 

I'd guess there are maybe 2 politicians on the planet with the people's best interests at heart. From Uganda, to the USA, from Thailand to Tanzania.....It's ALL about POWER.

 

[Pridilives]

7 minutes ago, jaywalker said:

 

I'd guess there are maybe 2 politicians on the planet with the people's best interests at heart.

 

Cynical and wrong. Also gullible. If you were right (which you not) wouldn't you agree at very least people should at least be able to choose who is going to rip off them?

[jaywalker]

8 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Thaksin didn't even appeal against his guilty sentence.

I'd never claim the guy was/is innocent of shady/corrupt deals, but I thought he got sentenced "in absentia"  (He was not there at the trial).

 

He went to a UN meeting & they rolled out the tanks while he was gone & he has not been back since.

 

Hardly a fair trial with a pack of opposition occupying the airport. Why bother to appeal?

 

He raped & pillaged the coffers as best he could & now sips martinis with Russian & Chinese hookers in Dubai.

 

Getting his sister elected appointed/whatever it was, backfired on him. They rolled out the tanks again.

[jaywalker]

2 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

Cynical and wrong. Also gullible. If you were right (which you not) wouldn't you agree at very least people should at least be able to choose who is going to rip off them?

That's why I refuse to vote. 

 

It's participating in corruption.

 

I vote with my feet = I leave when they get too stupid.

Edited July 23, 2017 by jaywalker

[Pridilives]

17 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

A convicted criminal with outstanding charges has the moral high ground?

 

I assume that you are joking in saying that.

 

Do you really admire criminals that much.

 

Please try to rmemember that Thaksin was given a fair trial, found guilty, given bail and skipped the country. This under a PPP government led by his brother in law, Somchai Wongsawat.

 

Thaksin didn't even appeal against his guilty sentence.

Thaksin trial for land purchase far from fair. If you objective you acknowledge that. Plenty evidence. Thai court not under any government Thai court under different power. Not many people appeal against kangaroo court. What's point. It's kangaroo. 

Junta and yellow do everything for make thaksin look like devil but in process the people see who devil really is. They cede moral high ground to thaksin. Fact.

 

http://www.newmandala.org/a-response-to-vanina-sucharitkul/

 

To be specific, the charges against Thaksin were based on Section 100 of the National Counter Corruption Act (NCCA), which specifies that “government officials and their spouses are prohibited from entering into or having interests in contracts made with state agencies under their authorization.” However, Section 4 of the Act indicates that “persons committing malfeasance must be direct supervisors of the damaged party”, in this case, the FIDF. At the time, Bank of Thailand Governor Pridiyathorn Devakula was the direct supervisor of the FIDF, not Thaksin. Furthermore, Section 29 of the Bank of Thailand Act of 1942 specifically stated that the Prime Minister “did not have jurisdiction to oversee the FIDF” and that “those managing the fund had sole authority for policies, control, oversight, and regulations governing the agency.”

[Pridilives]

8 minutes ago, jaywalker said:

That's why I refuse to vote. 

 

It's participating in corruption.

 

I vote with my feet = I leave when they get too stupid.

Wonderful strategy for make world better place. Not!

[jaywalker]

16 minutes ago, Pridilives said:

Wonderful strategy for make world better place. Not!

Hey man! Go save them whales in Pattaya!

 

Knock yourself out! More power to ya! I'm too old to try & change something that will never change.

 

There will ALWAYS be turmoil and strife somewhere in the world.

 

There will ALAWYS be nice places that are thriving. I prefer the latter. Yes I have ties in Thailand & I love the place....for a visit.

 

 

 

Edited July 23, 2017 by jaywalker

[chainarong]

The problem now, the junta has set a precedence, it would be unusual for a normal functioning government to concern themselves with a scheme that could be describe, It was  great idea at the time , most governments have a back door clause, otherwise this sort of shenanigans with former Elected Prime Minister Yingluck  would be rampant everywhere as payback , and after all that is precisely what it is in Thailand , the Junta grandstanding and making a point we're in charge like it or lump it and we will do what we like.............................

[Pridilives]

9 minutes ago, jaywalker said:

Hey man! Go save them whales in Pattaya!

 

Knock yourself out! More power to ya! I'm too old to try & change something that will never change.

 

There will ALWAYS be turmoil and strife somewhere in the world.

 

There will ALAWYS be nice places that are thriving. I prefer the latter. Yes I have ties in Thailand & I love the place....for a visit.

 

 

 

If you don't vote you have no right to complain about politician. Why you bother complain.

[Pridilives]

2 minutes ago, chainarong said:

The problem now, the junta has set a precedence, it would be unusual for a normal functioning government to concern themselves with a scheme that could be describe, It was  great idea at the time , most governments have a back door clause, otherwise this sort of shenanigans with former Elected Prime Minister Yingluck  would be rampant everywhere as payback , and after all that is precisely what it is in Thailand , the Junta grandstanding and making a point we're in charge like it or lump it and we will do what we like.............................

Junta is desperate. Fact is cannot hold back tides of history. People behind junta gonna get swept away. Then job everyone to ensure democracy always move in direction of better. Indonesia start do this already.

[jaywalker]

Just now, Pridilives said:

If you don't vote you have no right to complain about politician. Why you bother complain.

I never complain. I just find a better place to live where the cops are laid back but not corrupt, and I can contribute as small an amount as is required by (idiotic) laws to pay.

 

 

[williamgeorgeallen]

8 hours ago, candide said:

Rice farmers should be ready to tighten their belts.....

let them eat rice.

[JAG]

You make many good points.

 

It's socialism at its heart & soul.

 

Sounds fantastic on paper, & works for a bit, until you run out of other people's money.

 

A complete, total overhaul of the education system, would be a great start.

 

I blame corruption & graft for not allowing, nor wanting for it to happen.

 

General P. did bring an end to a lot of chaos, but aside from beach chairs etc has done precious little to move the country forward.

I'm far from being a socialist, in UK terms I consider my self a conservative with liberal views - note the use of the lower case - although I suppose to some I would appear as a raving commie!

But, given the way in which one particular small clique have looted this nations wealth I would rather approve of a government which "spends other people's money until it runs out." If socialism involves confiscation of wealth through punitive taxation, and redistributing it for the the benefit of the poorer sections of society, in this country's case, yes.

 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, JAG said:

I'm far from being a socialist, ( in UK terms I consider my self a conservative with liberal views - note the use of the lower case - although I suppose to some I would appear as a raving commie...)
But, given the way in which one particular small clique have looted this nations wealth I would rather approve of a government which "spends other people's money until it runs out." If socialism involves confiscation of wealth through punitive taxation, and redistributing it for the the benefit of the poorer sections of society, in this country's case, yes.

 

That is all nice and well until its your money that is going to be taken from you and redistributed. That is the problem its always so easy to decide that others should give more because it does not hurt you.

 

To a lot of poor Thais your wealthy.. just wait till they are banging at your door to get your money re distributed because that is the way it should be. 

 

Now if we are talking about the real elite.. sure take it away (do leave them a bit) but they have so much.. but those lines quickly fade and then everyone who has taken some chances, studied a bit.. and who is above average has to be pulled down and their wealth redistributed.. and then it all breaks down because all innovation is gone. 

[jaywalker]

6 minutes ago, JAG said:

I'm far from being a socialist, in UK terms I consider my self a conservative with liberal views - note the use of the lower case - although I suppose to some I would appear as a raving commie!

But, given the way in which one particular small clique have looted this nations wealth I would rather approve of a government which "spends other people's money until it runs out." If socialism involves confiscation of wealth through punitive taxation, and redistributing it for the the benefit of the poorer sections of society, in this country's case, yes.

 

That sounds SO GOOD in theory. Too bad reality doesn't work like theory.

 

I wish it did.

[YetAnother]

11 hours ago, rooster59 said:

could adversely impact the next government’s policy on farm products. 

they just wont do anything

[JAG]

Yeah, nothing wrong with giving a man a fish....as long he's learning how to catch fish for himself.
 
I saw a college student in the US not long ago counting out his pennys & asking the gal how much a biscuit (big hunk of bread in the US) would cost with a few different toppings. He couldn't afford any of them.
 
I just told the lady to get him whatever he wants & I'll pay for it.
 
He profusely thanked me just before he ran off to class with a sausage biscuit with egg and cheese on it.
 
 

Ah, so that is what you chaps mean when you talk about putting gravy on your biscuits. I always thought it would melt the chocolate on the digestives, and make a most unpalatable mess of a custard cream...

By the way, are "grits" something you use to surface your garden path?

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Nice thing to do by the way.

Intermission over - back to the political sparring.

[JAG]

That sounds SO GOOD in theory. Too bad reality doesn't work like theory.
 
I wish it did.

Oh I know - it's a fools dream...

[jaywalker]

8 minutes ago, JAG said:

Ah, so that is what you chaps mean when you talk about putting gravy on your biscuits. I always thought it would melt the chocolate on the digestives, and make a most unpalatable mess of a custard cream...

By the way, are "grits" something you use to surface your garden path?



Nice thing to do by the way.

Intermission over - back to the political sparring.

 

Grits are hominy, which is a type of white corn. They taste like utter SHIT without salt on them. Very much akin to rice.

 

Edited July 23, 2017 by jaywalker

[Ricardo]

3 hours ago, jaywalker said:

I'd never claim the guy was/is innocent of shady/corrupt deals, but I thought he got sentenced "in absentia"  (He was not there at the trial).

 

He went to a UN meeting & they rolled out the tanks while he was gone & he has not been back since.

 

Hardly a fair trial with a pack of opposition occupying the airport. Why bother to appeal?

 

He raped & pillaged the coffers as best he could & now sips martinis with Russian & Chinese hookers in Dubai.

 

Getting his sister elected appointed/whatever it was, backfired on him. They rolled out the tanks again.

 

"he has not been back since"

 

Actually he returned for several months in February 2008, when PPP were in-power.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/28/thailand

 

 

"He was not there at the trial"

 

He was there, but left with the court's permission to attend the Beijing-Olympics, and failed to return for sentencing.

 

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1831769,00.html

 

" Six months after returning from exile in triumph, Thailand's former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra fled to London on Aug. 11, the same day that the former Thai leader and his wife were due to face corruption charges in Thailand's courts. "

 

[jaywalker]

9 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

 

"he has not been back since"

 

Actually he returned for several months in February 2008, when PPP were in-power.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/feb/28/thailand

 

 

"He was not there at the trial"

 

He was there, but left with the court's permission to attend the Beijing-Olympics, and failed to return for sentencing.

 

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1831769,00.html

 

" Six months after returning from exile in triumph, Thailand's former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra fled to London on Aug. 11, the same day that the former Thai leader and his wife were due to face corruption charges in Thailand's courts. "

 

I stand corrected. Thanks.