Trump asks U.S. Congress to help in fight against gangs, illegal immigration

[rooster59]

Trump asks U.S. Congress to help in fight against gangs, illegal immigration

By Roberta Rampton and Mica Rosenberg

 

U.S. President Donald Trump concludes his remarks about his proposed U.S. government effort against the street gang Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, to a gathering of federal, state and local law enforcement officials in Brentwood, New York, U.S. July 28, 2017. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

 

BRENTWOOD, New York (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday painted a dark and brutal portrait of American communities he said had been ravaged by gang violence as he pressed Congress to help him stop illegal immigration and boost deportations.

 

Speaking to law enforcement officers in Brentwood, New York, on Long Island, Trump highlighted his push to crack down on members of the Mara Salvatrucha gang, better known as MS-13, whose existence the White House blames on lax enforcement of illegal immigration from Central America.

 

"They don't like shooting people because it's too quick. ... They like to knife them and cut them because that way it's more painful," Trump said, flanked on stage by about 100 uniformed officers. He repeatedly referred to gang members as "animals" and "thugs."

 

Critics blasted Trump for using language that they said dehumanized immigrants and for seemingly advocating rough treatment of people arrested for crimes.

 

"Please don't be too nice," Trump told the officers. "Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? ... I said, you can take the hand away, OK?"

 

Jeffery Robinson, deputy legal director at the American Civil Liberties Union, said that Trump's remarks run counter to the American ideal that a person is "innocent until proven guilty."

 

"By encouraging police to dole out extra pain at will, the president is urging a kind of lawlessness that already imperils the health and lives of people of color at shameful rates," Robinson said in a statement.

 

Friday's trip gave the president an opportunity to showcase some progress on his agenda even as his push to overhaul healthcare failed in Congress - and some respite from a power struggle among his senior staff that blew up on Thursday.]

 

Trump urged Congress to appropriate more money for immigration agents and judges, and to give them more authority to quickly deport people from Central America who cross the border illegally.

 

While Trump thanked various administration officials and local lawmakers for their work on the gang issue, he did not mention his attorney general, Jeff Sessions. Sessions was in El Salvador to promote the administration's fight against gangs.

 

The MS-13 gang first took root in the United States in Los Angeles in the 1980s in neighborhoods populated with immigrants from El Salvador who had fled its civil war. The Justice Department has said MS-13 has more than 10,000 members across the United States.

 

In Brentwood, about 30 miles (50 km) east of New York City, MS-13 was behind the murders of two teenage girls last September and four young men in a park in April, authorities said.

 

There have been 17 murders on Long Island tied to the gang since January 2016, according to the Suffolk County Police Department.

 

Under Trump, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has targeted the gang, deporting more than 2,700 criminal gang members in fiscal 2017, up from 2,057 in the entire previous fiscal year, the White House has said.

 

Trump made concerns about illegal immigration a centerpiece of his campaign. His administration is taking a harder line on Central American youth who have crossed the border illegally without guardians - a group that law enforcement has said has been targeted for recruitment by MS-13.

Immigration agents plan to target teenagers who are suspected gang members, even if they are not charged with any crime, according to a memo seen by Reuters.

 

But civil rights groups say police and immigration agents have unfairly targeted some teenagers.

 

The New York Civil Liberties Union said at least nine minors have been placed in immigration detention due to unconfirmed allegations of gang affiliation by the Suffolk County Police Department. The department and ICE did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the cases.

 

People claiming they were mistakenly included in gang databases and then targeted for deportation have filed at least two lawsuits, said Paromita Shah of the National Immigration Project at the National Lawyers Guild.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-07-29

[maewang99]

did I just take a long nap?

what happened to the Debt Limit increase?

this is July 29... yes? next month is August and then Sep....tem.....berrrrrrrrrrr.


 

Edited July 29, 2017 by maewang99

[Jingthing]

Black and brown.

Illegal "aliens"

Boogeymen. Scapegoats. Typical game of authoritarian nativist demagogues. 

[Boon Mee]

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Black and brown.

Illegal "aliens"

Boogeymen. Scapegoats. Typical game of authoritarian nativist demagogues. 

These are inked up gangbangers who are criminals distributing drugs and need to be taken off the streets 

[iReason]

36 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

These are inked up gangbangers who are criminals distributing drugs and need to be taken off the streets 

 

I'm not clear as to what your point is.

 

Are you implying nothing is being done?

 

Or, could it just be your dear leader fanning the flames for his flock?

 

As he did in New York yesterday?

 

Where the The Suffolk County Police Department sharply rebuked the inept ones' remarks?

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-trump-arrives-ny-talk-immigration-crime-48912064

Edited July 29, 2017 by iReason

[Boon Mee]

The implication is obvious. Not enough was being done about these criminal gangs over the past eight years and now we have have a semblance of law and order directed from Washington, some open borders folks seem upset. 

[iReason]

13 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

The implication is obvious. Not enough was being done about these criminal gangs over the past eight years and now we have have a semblance of law and order directed from Washington, some open borders folks seem upset. 

 

Got it.

 

It's all President Obama's fault.

 

The Doctrine of your dear leader.

[Boon Mee]

Well, to be honest, Eric Holder has to share some of the blame as well. 

[iReason]

5 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Well, to be honest, Eric Holder has to share some of the blame as well. 

Honest you say?

Obvious you say?

 

5 facts about crime in the U.S.

 

Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century.

Property crime has declined significantly over the long term

Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/21/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-publications

 

[Boon Mee]

Just one small example of what we see as out of control gang violence.

We won't mention Baltimore etc right now

 

More people dying from gunshot wounds as Chicago marks 400 homicides

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-400-homicides-chicago-violence-shootings-20170728-story.html

 

This is why we have Trump as it's plain to see the folks have had quite enough.  

[mamypoko]

16 minutes ago, iReason said:

Honest you say?

Obvious you say?

 

5 facts about crime in the U.S.

 

Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century.

Property crime has declined significantly over the long term

Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/21/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-publications

 

All that might be true, but if you'll forgive me for saying, BM don't like all the other sticks in the crayon box. 

Ain't that right, BM?

[Boon Mee]

“[MS-13 has] transformed peaceful parks and beautiful quiet neighborhoods into blood-stained killing fields. They’re animals. We cannot tolerate as a society the spilling of innocent, young, wonderful vibrant people,” Trump said. "

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/28/trump-vows-to-destroy-vile-ms-13-liberate-our-towns-from-gangs-grip.html

 

Any other interpretation that Trump is not doing his job would be gross mistake. 

[farcanell]

Good one..... now the prez is encouraging police brutality.

 

at this rate, it won't be long before he's dug a hole so deep that he will be able to pop thru for a face to face talk with his Chinese counterpart.

[Boon Mee]

1 minute ago, farcanell said:

Good one..... now the prez is encouraging police brutality.

 

at this rate, it won't be long before he's dug a hole so deep that he will be able to pop thru for a face to face talk with his Chinese counterpart.

Where is he encouraging Police brutality?  

[farcanell]

1 minute ago, Boon Mee said:

Where is he encouraging Police brutality?  

Paragraph five of OP

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

The implication is obvious. Not enough was being done about these criminal gangs over the past eight years and now we have have a semblance of law and order directed from Washington, some open borders folks seem upset. 

You should have stopped at your first post.  It has nothing to do with the past 8 years (under Obama, and a Republican congress) nor what Trump is talking about doing.  Because we all know Trump is delusional.  Well...most of us.

 

Seems he might actually be making things worse:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/28/us/ms-13-gang-long-island-trump/index.html

 

Quote

 

MS-13 members: Trump makes the gang stronger

On Long Island, some fear crackdown on immigrants is emboldening violent street gang

 

"It's not like before, where ... they (the gang) were more hidden," said Margarita, adding that a decade after fleeing violence in El Salvador she has never felt more afraid. "People can get deported, so they don't call the police. So they (MS-13) feel more free."

 

But hey! MAGA! LOL

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Where is he encouraging Police brutality?  

From the OP:

Quote

 

Critics blasted Trump for using language that they said dehumanized immigrants and for seemingly advocating rough treatment of people arrested for crimes.

 

"Please don't be too nice," Trump told the officers. "Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? ... I said, you can take the hand away, OK?"

 

Horrible thing to say.

[iReason]

10 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Any other interpretation that Trump is not doing his job would be gross mistake. 

 

Yawn.

 

He's been saying that months. Like a tape loop.

 

Bluster, like everything else that comes out of his mouth.

 

He's just shamelessly pandering to the flock and weakly attempting to divert attention from the fact that:

The White House is under criminal investigation for obstruction of justice, collusion, fraud, racketeering, money laundering and espionage.

 

And the fact that:

His son, along with a Senior White House adviser to his father and a Russian connected Trump campaign director,

had a clandestine meeting with agents from a hostile foreign adversary.

Russia.

 

Here's one from 3 months ago:

 

 

'Trump has blamed his predecessor, former President Barack Obama, for allowing the gang to take root in the US, but it has actually been present in some form since the 1970s and 1980s, when immigrants from Central America — El Salvador in particular — fled conflicts there for the US, with many settling in Los Angeles."

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-ms-13-has-turned-us-into-blood-stained-killing-fields-2017-7

[iReason]

  @Boon Mee

 

Nice deflection on the crime statistics by the way.

 

You're staying true to form.

Dropping in completely baseless, erroneous statements and when challenged with facts; silence.

 

Ya got nothin'

[Boon Mee]

Baseless? Don't think so. Crime is out of control in Baltimore, Chicago and elsewhere around the country due to so-called Sanctuary Cities. Get your head out of the sand.

[iReason]

26 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Baseless? Don't think so. Crime is out of control in Baltimore, Chicago and elsewhere around the country due to so-called Sanctuary Cities.

Get your head out of the sand.

 

U.S. Mayors, Police Chiefs Concerned with Sanctuary Cities Executive Order

 

“Cities that aim to build trusting and supportive relations with immigrant communities should not be punished because this is essential to reducing crime and helping victims, both stated goals of the new Administration in Washington."

 

"We must be able to continue to protect the safety of all of our residents while ensuring that local law enforcement is focused on community policing.

 

“The U.S. Conference of Mayors and the Major Cities Chiefs Association have, therefore, come together to register our strong reservations with provisions to withhold federal funds in the Executive Order, Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States, issued today."

https://www.usmayors.org/2017/01/25/u-s-mayors-police-chiefs-concerned-with-sanctuary-cities-executive-order/

 

 

No Evidence Sanctuary Cities ‘Breed Crime’

"In a pre-Super Bowl interview on Fox, President Donald Trump claimed sanctuary cities “breed crime.”

"But some law enforcement officials say that in the big picture, sanctuary policies also can help to reduce crime."

“We find no statistically discernible difference in violent crime rate, rape, or property crime across the cities,” the researchers concluded.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/no-evidence-sanctuary-cities-breed-crime/

 

 

I submit that you need to get out of your FOX hole while looking beyond your dear leader's "Tweets".

[Foozool]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"Please don't be too nice," Trump told the officers. "Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you're protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? ... I said, you can take the hand away, OK?"

Is this the president speaking ❗️He sounds like a gangster himself. 

Anything good for people of the US ?

So far a big "0". It is 6 months now and will be 4 year soon before you feel it. I hope it will be still 0  at the time he leaves, not anything less than 0 

 

Edited July 29, 2017 by Foozool

[RobFord]

Good one..... now the prez is encouraging police brutality.
 
at this rate, it won't be long before he's dug a hole so deep that he will be able to pop thru for a face to face talk with his Chinese counterpart.

......or Turk.


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[mdmayes]

2 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Where is he encouraging Police brutality?  

Duh...in tDrump's speech. 

Edited July 29, 2017 by mdmayes

[thehelmsman]

Trump is simply taking care of business as it should have been done many, many years ago. Not just Obama but Bush as well.  I get the fact that some hate Trump, but How is getting rid of violent gangs not a good thing, especially when they have no right to be in this country.

 

You can't justify the homicide rate in Chicago with charts and graphs and links to the NY post.

[iReason]

1 hour ago, thehelmsman said:

Trump is simply taking care of business as it should have been done many, many years ago. Not just Obama but Bush as well.

I get the fact that some hate Trump, but How is getting rid of violent gangs not a good thing, especially when they have no right to be in this country.

 

You can't justify the homicide rate in Chicago with charts and graphs and links to the NY post.

 

"You can't justify the homicide rate in Chicago with charts and graphs and links to the NY post."  

 

Who has done that?

 

You appear confused.

 

Edited July 29, 2017 by iReason

[thehelmsman]

3 minutes ago, iReason said:

 

"You can't justify the homicide rate in Chicago with charts and graphs and links to the NY post."  

 

Who has done that?

 

You appear confused.

Post 9 shows a chart of declining crime in the US. No confusion.

[iReason]

7 minutes ago, thehelmsman said:

Post 9 shows a chart of declining crime in the US. No confusion.

And?

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/21/5-facts-about-crime-in-the-u-s/

https://ucr.fbi.gov/ucr-publications

 

Perhaps, reading glasses are in order?

[ilostmypassword]

7 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Just one small example of what we see as out of control gang violence.

We won't mention Baltimore etc right now

 

More people dying from gunshot wounds as Chicago marks 400 homicides

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-400-homicides-chicago-violence-shootings-20170728-story.html

 

This is why we have Trump as it's plain to see the folks have had quite enough.  

Which is why the people in Chicago overwhelmingly did not vote for him? Or is it that the people in Iowa are fed up with crime in Chicago because they just love Chicago so much? Or the crime rate in Chicago is affecting their lives so much?

Or are you saying that "folks have had quite enough" of a nationwide decline in crime and they're counting on Trump to bring the rate up?

[ilostmypassword]

8 minutes ago, thehelmsman said:

Post 9 shows a chart of declining crime in the US. No confusion.

Except that post #9 had nothing to do with the NY Post.