Conflicting theories about Yingluck escape after video of police pickup

[nasanews]

Asians can be crazy through their way of understanding democracy, I mean they would not let their president resign before impeachment rather they prefer imprisonment

[tominbkk]

They say she 'escaped'.  Was the house being guarded?  Was she under house arrest?  If no, then she did not 'escape'.  She 'left'.

[blankagain]

Did anyone think to check PM Prayut's  ROADMAP. Maybe this how they deduced she left via Cambodia.Duh!

[Next stop NK]

I still wish to know if she is alive...

[gk10002000]

13 hours ago, wvavin said:

Why the Thais are still speculating on the escape of Yingluck where one word speaks all and that is corruption. Is this difficult enough to apprehend?

Yeah, the details would be interesting, but power and money did what they did.  Now the cleanup or retribution, or CYA.

[lvr181]

11 hours ago, tominbkk said:

They say she 'escaped'.  Was the house being guarded?  Was she under house arrest?  If no, then she did not 'escape'.  She 'left'.

"She left"

 

Not sure where you're coming from (I sense you have a strong political alignment/affiliation) - she has escaped from the 'justice' system before the court handed down it's decision! I wonder why?

 

Sounds like escapism to me. She could have 'left' after the court's decision if she was deemed to be not guilty!

[LannaGuy]

Just now, lvr181 said:

"She left"

 

Not sure where you're coming from (I sense you have a strong political alignment/affiliation) - she has escaped from the 'justice' system before the court handed down it's decision! I wonder why?

 

Sounds like escapism to me. She could have 'left' after the court's decision if she was deemed to be not guilty!

The problem is she, and most of the world, does not deem a military court to be in a position to dish out justice 

[lvr181]

6 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

The problem is she, and most of the world, does not deem a military court to be in a position to dish out justice 

Yup, but sadly the truth is (whether we like it or not) that the military rules and makes the rules. 

[ovi1kanobi]

9 hours ago, Next stop NK said:

I still wish to know if she is alive...

She has been disposed. And I think her brother had something to do with it. She would have sent a message by now, letting her people know that she is ok.

[TKDfella]

15 hours ago, gbswales said:

because I doubt there is any appropriate law to banish her under - also the government needed to appease the people who wanted to see her convicted as well as her vast army of supporters who still exist.  They are hoping this leaves no one with a cause to start demonstrations.  The money spent is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost of quelling riots and repairing damaged infrastructure.  

Yes I think you're right about banishment but I think 'forced banishment' has been imposed in the past though I can't find any record of it. I don't have any problems with the idea of letting the former PM leave the country for the reasons you state as long as the authorities, who should have seen it coming, see it as an option for politicians. This government has produced new laws so why not one in this case. Saves a whole lot of trouble, tension and any possible cover up. Another point is that at some juncture the private jet must have left a Thai runway at some point, either to carry her directly or to wait at some other place. That flight must have been logged at the very least by flight/radar control and the pilot must have gone through immigration.

[LannaGuy]

1 minute ago, ovi1kanobi said:

She has been disposed. And I think her brother had something to do with it. She would have sent a message by now, letting her people know that she is ok.

 

If you are right, and that indeed is a very rare event, then all Hell will break loose.

[tominbkk]

Just now, LannaGuy said:

 

If you are right, and that indeed is a very rare event, then all Hell will break loose.

Disposed into the nicest mall in Dubai.  Shopping Spree!!!!

[ovi1kanobi]

1 hour ago, tominbkk said:

Disposed into the nicest mall in Dubai.  Shopping Spree!!!!

If she is in the mall in Dubai lets see video of her. There is none. Because she is nowhere to be found. Not one record of her entering a country. Not one video of her anywhere. Or one person saying That they have seen her. VANISHED INTO THIN AIR!

[rixalex]

41 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

The problem is she, and most of the world, does not deem a military court to be in a position to dish out justice 

In your position as spokesperson for "most of the world", does it think that the current Thai justice system is particularly worse than the justice system that found OJ not guilty of murder, the justice system that found the LAPD police officers who beat Rodney King on video tape not guilty too, or what about the justice system that found Oscar Pistorius innocent of murder? Or how about the justice system that found Thaksin innocent of concealing his assets back in 2001? Were those justice systems in a better position to dish out justice than the current Thai one? Look and you will find dubious verdicts from pretty much all justice systems around the world.

 

As such, i think you will find, "most of the world", if it cared to have an opinion on the judicial "plight" of the Shinawatras, which i'm pretty sure it doesn't, would conclude that the current judicial system in Thailand might be flawed but probably little better or worse than many others around the world...  and little better or worse than previous judicial systems in Thailand. It might also consider the fact that Thaksin, even when tried in court at a time when his own government was in power, was found guilty. Add that to the fact that Thaksin tried to bribe the Thai courts with cash, and "most of the world" that you speak for would probably come to the conclusion that the Shinawatra family were, most likely, at least to some degree, guilty, and as such, spare little sympathy for them if the current judicial system wasn't particularly bent in their favour, nor think it gave them the right or justification to flee.

[baboon]

2 minutes ago, rixalex said:

In your position as spokesperson for "most of the world", does it think that the current Thai justice system is particularly worse than the justice system that found OJ not guilty of murder, the justice system that found the LAPD police officers who beat Rodney King on video tape not guilty too, or what about the justice system that found Oscar Pistorius innocent of murder? 

Yes.

[LannaGuy]

27 minutes ago, rixalex said:

In your position as spokesperson for "most of the world", does it think that the current Thai justice system is particularly worse than the justice system that found OJ not guilty of murder, the justice system that found the LAPD police officers who beat Rodney King on video tape not guilty too, or what about the justice system that found Oscar Pistorius innocent of murder? Or how about the justice system that found Thaksin innocent of concealing his assets back in 2001? Were those justice systems in a better position to dish out justice than the current Thai one? Look and you will find dubious verdicts from pretty much all justice systems around the world.

 

As such, i think you will find, "most of the world", if it cared to have an opinion on the judicial "plight" of the Shinawatras, which i'm pretty sure it doesn't, would conclude that the current judicial system in Thailand might be flawed but probably little better or worse than many others around the world...  and little better or worse than previous judicial systems in Thailand. It might also consider the fact that Thaksin, even when tried in court at a time when his own government was in power, was found guilty. Add that to the fact that Thaksin tried to bribe the Thai courts with cash, and "most of the world" that you speak for would probably come to the conclusion that the Shinawatra family were, most likely, at least to some degree, guilty, and as such, spare little sympathy for them if the current judicial system wasn't particularly bent in their favour, nor think it gave them the right or justification to flee.

 

yes - no precedents, no juries and politicized 

[rixalex]

34 minutes ago, baboon said:

Yes.

What's all this? Are you job sharing with LannaGuy?

[baboon]

8 minutes ago, rixalex said:

What's all this? Are you job sharing with LannaGuy?

No.

[rixalex]

1 minute ago, baboon said:

No.

So which one of you is it then?

[baboon]

1 minute ago, rixalex said:

So which one of you is it then?

I have no idea what you mean.

[rixalex]

Just now, baboon said:

I have no idea what you mean.

Try reading what you are replying to a bit more closely then.

[baboon]

1 minute ago, rixalex said:

Try reading what you are replying to a bit more closely then.

I did.

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, rixalex said:

In your position as spokesperson for "most of the world", does it think that the current Thai justice system is particularly worse than the justice system that found OJ not guilty of murder, the justice system that found the LAPD police officers who beat Rodney King on video tape not guilty too, or what about the justice system that found Oscar Pistorius innocent of murder? Or how about the justice system that found Thaksin innocent of concealing his assets back in 2001? Were those justice systems in a better position to dish out justice than the current Thai one? Look and you will find dubious verdicts from pretty much all justice systems around the world.

 

As such, i think you will find, "most of the world", if it cared to have an opinion on the judicial "plight" of the Shinawatras, which i'm pretty sure it doesn't, would conclude that the current judicial system in Thailand might be flawed but probably little better or worse than many others around the world...  and little better or worse than previous judicial systems in Thailand. It might also consider the fact that Thaksin, even when tried in court at a time when his own government was in power, was found guilty. Add that to the fact that Thaksin tried to bribe the Thai courts with cash, and "most of the world" that you speak for would probably come to the conclusion that the Shinawatra family were, most likely, at least to some degree, guilty, and as such, spare little sympathy for them if the current judicial system wasn't particularly bent in their favour, nor think it gave them the right or justification to flee.

Because the justice systems of other countries aren't perfect, Thailand's justice system is just fine?

What a terribly weak argument.

I would certainly rather be tried in the US courts than Thailand's, only a fool wouldn't.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/datablog/2015/jun/02/global-ranking-corruption-world-justice-project-aims-promote-good-governance

[rixalex]

22 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Because the justice systems of other countries aren't perfect, Thailand's justice system is just fine?

What a terribly weak argument.

I would certainly rather be tried in the US courts than Thailand's, only a fool wouldn't.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/datablog/2015/jun/02/global-ranking-corruption-world-justice-project-aims-promote-good-governance

I never said that Thailand's justice system was fine. I said that no justice system was perfect.

 

If you think cases should be put on hold until such an incorruptible, fair and judicious system is in place, well, you might be waiting a long time, but i'm sure the likes of the Shinawatras would happily throw their support behind that idea, along with the Red Bull fellow and a host of other high profile people, who would much prefer to be talking about the system and how jolly unfair it is, than trying to explain why they are innocent.

 

[scorecard]

On 1/9/2560 at 8:42 AM, gr8fldanielle said:

is anybody really surprised that she was able to escape, probably with the help of those that are supposed to be preventing her escape? As long as there are no consequences for illegal acts committed by the police, the 3rd world banana republic image will go on. Corruption is allowed here, plain and simple, and for some reason there are no apparent steps being taken to curb it. No surprises here, just living the Amazing Thailand dream.

 

Further, it's well established that the paymaster controlled (and paid) the police before he left Thailand and continuing after he fled to live in Dubai.

 

There is suggestion that his control over the police has now reduced but I rather doubt that he now has no influence over the police.

 

And there will no doubt there will be rtp folks who want to keep dubai revenue stream alive and well and these folks will no doubt have little hesitation to fulfill any orders / requests from dubai. 

 

[pornprong]

35 minutes ago, rixalex said:

I never said that Thailand's justice system was fine. I said that no justice system was perfect.

 

If you think cases should be put on hold until such an incorruptible, fair and judicious system is in place, well, you might be waiting a long time, but i'm sure the likes of the Shinawatras would happily throw their support behind that idea, along with the Red Bull fellow and a host of other high profile people, who would much prefer to be talking about the system and how jolly unfair it is, than trying to explain why they are innocent.

 

Ahh, so there is only two categories, perfect and not perfect.

No justice systems are perfect but their are great differences in the levels of imperfection in each system.

Thailand is well down the list and a long way from being acceptable.

Only the wilfully ignorant do not recognise the extreme politicisation of the Thai judiciary.

I think that you do see it for what it is, but seeing as though reality doesn't fit your views you try to justify the shortcomings of the Thai judiciary by making incorrect comparisons to other countries systems.

 

Curious why you haven't mention Suthep or the treasonous coup leaders in your examples of who is happy about the sad and sorry state of the Thai judiciary.

[spidermike007]

There is almost no doubt she was "let go". Thai airspace is highly restricted. It is some of the most restricted airspace in the world. There is less than a 1% chance she could have left without being given permission. There is less than a 1% chance she left by land. This is just not the way she rolls. She left by air, in a private jet. How many private jets are there in Thailand? And how hard is it to keep track of them? Not hard at all.

 

Also, when he claims they were not watching her, that is patently false. Of course they were. She was up on charges, for the biggest trial of the decade. The chances of them not watching her were less than zero. She was let go. It was probably decided at the highest levels, that this was the best outcome for all. And now the little man is playing the same inane game of deflection that Trump plays daily. Just say it, and a percent of the people will buy it. Well, this guy does not. And neither do most. 

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[rixalex]

15 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Ahh, so there is only two categories, perfect and not perfect.

No justice systems are perfect but their are great differences in the levels of imperfection in each system.

Thailand is well down the list and a long way from being acceptable.

Only the wilfully ignorant do not recognise the extreme politicisation of the Thai judiciary.

I think that you do see it for what it is, but seeing as though reality doesn't fit your views you try to justify the shortcomings of the Thai judiciary by making incorrect comparisons to other countries systems.

 

Curious why you haven't mention Suthep or the treasonous coup leaders in your examples of who is happy about the sad and sorry state of the Thai judiciary.

Only the willfully ignorant consider the current judiciary as being something out of the ordinary or particularly imperfect as compared to previous incarnations. Most of the current objection and noise to this one, has little or nothing to do with how imperfect the system is, but rather to do with who the current system is seen to be not serving. My heart bleeds. And the same goes for all those you care to mention who have previously worked the system to their advantage. As for those currently working it, these things tend to be cyclical, so i'm sure they'll have their day too.

 

 

[scorecard]

35 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Ahh, so there is only two categories, perfect and not perfect.

No justice systems are perfect but their are great differences in the levels of imperfection in each system.

Thailand is well down the list and a long way from being acceptable.

Only the wilfully ignorant do not recognise the extreme politicisation of the Thai judiciary.

 

Good point.

 

IMHO there is an addition point to consider; people complain about corrupt judges etc., (and the folks of Thailand should complain), many many locals have paid 'tea money' to get a decision in their favor, but have little hesitation to complain about corrupt judges. 

 

The flag carriers for the different political colors are prime examples. 

[pornprong]

21 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Only the willfully ignorant consider the current judiciary as being something out of the ordinary or particularly imperfect as compared to previous incarnations. Most of the current objection and noise to this one, has little or nothing to do with how imperfect the system is, but rather to do with who the current system is seen to be not serving. My heart bleeds. And the same goes for all those you care to mention who have previously worked the system to their advantage. As for those currently working it, these things tend to be cyclical, so i'm sure they'll have their day too.

 

 

The Thai judiciary changed an awful lot during the 2005-2006 period, the 2007 coup constitution took it further and the latest coup constitution takes it further again.

 

The courts have become the elites bulwark against democracy (3 elected prime ministers removed by the courts since 2007, 2 election winning political parties disbanded by the courts since 2007 and hundreds of Red politicians banned by the courts since 2007).

 

The current judiciary is most definitely something out of the ordinary - before they were only corrupted by money, now they are corrupted by politics and money.

Edited September 2, 2017 by pornprong