Democrats To Form New Coalition Government

[grandpops]

Think the Nation came too just before the Brainwashing process was finished.

Politicians meeting with Anupong. Judges obeying orders and breaking up parties etc.

Looks like a coup, smells like a coup, walks like a coup. Just hope it loses international funding and aid like a Coup! This so called Elite must be losing a few bob by now.

Thaksin to be the Asian Chavez anybody!

Surely no falangs were taken in by this fascist, brainwashing, moonie, doomsday type cult. Do tell me none were.

[angiud]

I really hope Abhisit will do something finally good for Thailand.

I hope not too many compromises done to allow the new coalition to govern!

May a new wind clean the corruption and bring a better future for the Thailand!

[dave9988]

Perhaps the question that needs to be asked is why does the Army Commander have an opinion about anything. Why is that in his job description? Well, I suppose we already know why this question cannot be asked.

[dave9988]

I really hope Abhisit will do something finally good for Thailand.

I hope not too many compromises done to allow the new coalition to govern!

May a new wind clean the corruption and bring a better future for the Thailand!

So he supported the PAD and made deals with the Army in the hope that once in power he could end corruption? Sell your soul to the devil to fight the devil? No, the devil owns him now.

[stumonster]

Looks like a coup, smells like a coup, walks like a coup.

if you are not a troll ? maybe you can explain the situation to us with reference to one person one vote.

[jdinasia]

All things happening now is just a part of a big plot that people like you would never understand. I cant go into details with the risk of exposing myself too much.

It is pretty obvious from your 'insider" posts that you are either Agent Maxwell Smart or Inspector Jacques Clouseau. Which is it?

LOL .. another Colpyat!

[cmsally]

Have to love this article in BKK Pundit.

Case of right hand not knowing what the left is doing.

Military Is Not Involved

Posted by Bangkok Pundit | 12/07/2008 10:00:00 PM

Matichon has a direct quote from a party leader today although the party leader is not named that a senior military officer was directly involved in the setup of the government. Bangkok Post reported last week states that a Newin source said that the miliary had contacted Newin to lobby him.

The Bangkok Post reports:

After a Sunday afternoon meeting of party executives and MPs, Democrat spokesman Buranaj Smutharaks told a press conference that the meeting agreed to the Democrat Party forming a new government and assigned party secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban to gather names of one-third of all members of Parliament to formally ask that an extraordinary session of parliament open Monday morning to elect a new prime minister.

The spokesman said the party was concerned about group of critics who spread untruths that the army had a hand in setting up the new coalition government, charges that tarnished both the army's image and that of the parties.

Md Buranaj emphasised that the army was not involved in any process and the party has held to its values of not doing anything unlawful, unconstitutional or otherwise inappropriate in a democratic system.

Unfortunately, coalition leader Somsak hasn't been given the message as the Bangkok Post reports:

Former Chart Thai party deputy leader Somsak Prissananantakul on Sunday...

...

Mr Somsak said he did not join the meeting between Democrat secretary-general Suthep Thuagsuban and national army chief Anupong Paojinda to discuss the political direction on Saturday.

BP: A meeting to discuss the political situation mere hours before the announcement of the coalition and the military was not involved?

[Plus]

Plus, do you really believe that you are the voice of the 'forum', as suggested in your post? Why do you feel the need to attempt to silence others - that's not democracy / freedom of speech in action, is it? You last couple of sentence, are uncalled for in my humble opinion, but I'll be Thai; smile and not take offense.

You read too much in my post - voice of the forum, silencing others.

Post away as you wish, I simply told you that if nothing in Thai politics gives you any kind of inspiration, it's a pretty grim existence in these parts of Thaivisa. Just look at others - some are excited about Dems getting into power, others are excited about uncovering a silent coup plot.

And I don't need to speak for them, they can hardly contain themselves.

[jasreeve17]

Plus, do you really believe that you are the voice of the 'forum', as suggested in your post? Why do you feel the need to attempt to silence others - that's not democracy / freedom of speech in action, is it? You last couple of sentence, are uncalled for in my humble opinion, but I'll be Thai; smile and not take offense.

You read too much in my post - voice of the forum, silencing others.

Post away as you wish, I simply told you that if nothing in Thai politics gives you any kind of inspiration, it's a pretty grim existence in these parts of Thaivisa. Just look at others - some are excited about Dems getting into power, others are excited about uncovering a silent coup plot.

And I don't need to speak for them, they can hardly contain themselves.

Thanks for your permission - I'll try to be more inline with your thoughts in future, so that you accept me.

Please tell; which part did I read too much into?

(You words speak for themselves, I don't need to cut & manipulate as is your want.)

Jasreeve, if you abhore ALL politicians so much, find yourself some better part of the forum, you are not being paid to post here, so why suffer? Afaik all other regular posters find some sort of inspiration here, on both sides, and everyone in between, too. That's what keeps us going.

If I thought the situation was so hopeless I wouldn't be bothered to hang around here.

Escape the captivity of your negativity (Prison Break, Season 4).

Edited December 7, 2008 by jasreeve17

[old wanderer]

While many on this board continue to delight in being "keyboard warriors", and sniping at one another, I enjoy seeking knowledgeable insight as to what is happing behind the scenes. One of the most enjoyable is reading the blog of the Editor of The Nation newspaper, Tulsathit Taptim. He seems to pretty neutral in his blog, and yet has the contacts that help understand what is going on inside the wonderful world of Thai politics.

Below I have added a continuation of the blog from a day ago. Hope you find it interesting as I do.

By Tulsathit Taptim

Editor of The Nation

Dec 7, 1 am: Yes, I was watching Liverpool on TV, but No, nothing important that we know of has happened on the Thai political front. The intense lobbying must have been continuing but I guess we will know nothing until tomorrow.

A lot of thanks for your emails that feel like a year-end bonus. I mean it. Nothing makes a journalist happier than the sort of feedbacks you guys gave me.

Kevin, it's still hard at the moment to know exactly how many MPs from each of the previously pro-government groups are defecting to the Democrats. All we know are proclaimed numbers provided by the Democrats. They say the alliance is made of 166 Democrat MPs, 15 Chat Thai MPs, 10 Machima Thipataya MPs, 22 Puea Paendin MPs and 37 Newin faction MPs.

The Democrats also claim 12 more, mostly from the dissolved PPP, could also join them.

Tomorrow it can be either clearer or messier.

David, I hope your cold dinner still tasted good. You really deserve that for your e-mail. Rupert, "Old Farang", Kenneth, thank you all.

Dec 7, 1.30 am: Gossip time. We have assessed the following information, compared notes with some other news websites, and decided that we should share it with you. Please bear in mind, however, that this is the time when half-truth or lies are usually told by politicians, be it the most rigtheous or shameless ones.

Gossip One: Newin has told Suthep: "Thaksin no longer trusts me. That makes it difficult to stay with the other side."

Gossip Two: Thaksin was one of those who called Sanan to offer him the premiership. The others include ex-PM Somchai Wongsawat and Sudarat Keyuraphan.

Gossip Three: Key members of the Democrat-led alliance went to meet Army chief Anupong Paochinda at his Army reception home before the press conference.

Gossip Four: Newin's initial condition was that Chuan had to be prime minister. Suthep talked him out of that by citing Chuan's rigid principles when it comes to naming Cabinet ministers. Abhisit was much more flexible, Newin was told.

Gossip Five: Newin's faction was not as united as we believed, and up to 17 (out of 37) may remain "up for grab".

Dec 7, 1 pm: "Newin backing Abhisit as PM. Should we laugh or cry?" A reader texted me. Well, we can laugh until our tears run dry. Seriously though, it's not quite over yet. The Democrats are having an executive board meeting at 2 pm and the Chuan-Abhisit issue is expected to be discussed. As we have heard, the Newin faction is still gritting its teeth over Abhisit, making many faction members "vulnerable" to the sugar daddy on the other side.

This morning the Puea Thai Party has voted to elect Youngyuth Wichaidit as its new leader. The decision, reportedly a change of heart by ex-prime minister Somchai Wongsawat and his wife Yaowapa, reportedly puzzled favourite candidate Yingluck Shinawatra, Thaksin's sister, for a while but she finally came to term with it.

Yongyuth is an OK man but with no premiership materials. The party also appointed an executive board that comprises totally low-profile and non-MP figures. The motives are evident: When/if another party dissolution storm brews, no big names will be affected. This, I'm afraid, will be an established formula for most parties in the future when it comes to appointing their executives. Funny, isn't it? Just when we are trying to get rid of "nominees" now it will be hard to walk into Parliament and not bump into someone who isn't some nominee's nominee.

From what we have heard, the Puea Thai Party is still putting up a fight. I think it will go down to the wire and unless a royal command is handed down approving the nomination of Abhisit or Chuan, the Democrats can never be sure. According to Suthep, the Puea Thai camp is making a very sweet offer: If you come to us with 5 MPs, you'll get one Cabinet post.

Knowing Thai politicians, many jaws must have hit the floor and a lot of hush-hush meetings may be already taking place.

Note: From here on, Puea Thai will be spelt "Phue Thai" according to its registration documents.

Dec 7, 3.30 pm: From Greg Love (Hua Hin): "Will the Democrats go about appointing ministers with so many factions to please, and still have enough left to please their own loyal members? I mean this is Thailand, and I would imagine the rats leaving their sinking ships still have a price......or is maybe a truly new generation arising???"

If the Democrats survive the Pheu Thai Party's last-minute do-or-die onslaught, and if the threats of the "Red Army" besieging Parliament do not materialise, the real hard part will begin. But with their own party still intact, I mean never been "diluted" by court dissolution orders, the Democrats will be able to find enough credible names under their quota to fill the Cabinet. Of course, you will see names from the other camps that may make you shake your head, but as far as human resources go, the Democrats have a good advantage compared with their Pheu Thai rivals.

But what do we have here _ rats jumping ships or a new brave generation coming of age? Well, let's say this new generation of rats are quite brave to leave their ships like that.

The Democrats' real advantage, however, will be the lack of pressure to amend the Constitution. The Samak and Somchai governments fell simply because constitutional amendments became their agenda, something that either provoked or played into the hands of the PAD.

A Democrat government will likely face a different kind of street pressure, though. How far the red-shirt movement will go to bring it down will remain to be seen, however.

"Today's Truth" TV programme hosts have held another mobile forum, in which they condemned the "new form of coup" and Anupong in particular. The three hosts _ Veera Musigapong, Jatuporn Prompan and Nattawut Saikua _ did not make an explicit call for a red-shirt uprising but they did repeatedly say what was happening on the political scene was "unacceptable." Thaksin's planned phone-in on Dec 13 is apparently still on and he is set to "say it all", according to the TV hosts.

Dec 7, 6.30 pm: Abhisit has made his first public statement since becoming the front-runner for premiership. The fact that he had spoken out about it is more important than his expected national-unity-is-my-agenda message. He would not have gone public with any agenda if he had not been confident of support right now.

Abhisit said his government would strive to bring back national harmony, restore the country's image and repair damage caused to tourism by the political showdown. Asked if he was worried that the political conflicts would make his government shortlived like the last two administrations, he said how long his government stays depends mainly on its perfomance.

"You can look at it two ways. On one hand, this is a time of crisis which makes it very difficult for all of us. On the other hand, it will force us to really work and devote ourselves and listen to what society has to say at the same time," Abhisit said.

I never doubt his oratory skills, be it on a big stage or in a mini group interview. I think few do. His real challenge, obviously, is how to act, mobilize, implement and execute as the chief executive of a deeply-divided nation still in reeling and in turmoil. Most of all, how he can reinvent himself as a remotely neutral leader after having been dragged to much to one side of the conflict may have to be the first priority on his agenda.

Dec 7, 10 pm: "At which point do you believe we will actually get real clarity as to whom is to govern, and do you think they will have the mandate from the public to do so successfully?" asks Michael Brear.

When the prime minister is sworn in. No kidding here, Mike. The Democrats are not certain themselves. Rumours about some members of the Newin camp are to be "priced out" of the alliance are continuous. And even though Sanan has pledged to support the Democrats, there is no guarantee all MPs of the defunct Chat Thai Party would follow him. This is why Abhisit and Suthep will pay a courtesy call on Banharn tomorrow to make an earnest plea for his support.

You also mentioned a UN-observed new election in the future. I can't laugh at that. Believe it or not, I wrote an article a year and a half ago joking that the PAD will become a fortress of militants with gun-totting guards searching visitors. What do we know?

Now from Jeremy: "Please enlighten me: all this reporting of Newin siding with the Democrats, Newin changing his mind, Newin this and Newin that - has everyone forgotten that he was banned from politics? Doesn't that ban carry any weight? Can't he be taken to task from being so blatantly involved with political manoevouring? I simply do not understand"

Welcome to the club, buddy.

Edited December 7, 2008 by old wanderer

[permanent_disorder]

Trust me on this one.

Newin Chidchob is a very powerful figure in the Northeast and always in the thick of trouble with his father giving him guidance.

Any corruption talk in Buriram and there is plenty usually has his name not far from it.

As his roots are Khmer you also get the usual Voodoo talk. This freaks the locals out and you can't get to much on it from them.

Without doubt the majority of the everyday people in his area are playing flat out for the red team.

I can t see any way Newin can side with the Democrats for long or be counted on as a trusted vote for them.

As I said before its a Trojan horse situation with this guy.

TRT and PPP never have been really happy with Newin (banned) & Friends. and i guess the Dem's are now in the same situation.

in a coalition government sometimes the smallest parties, factions, interest groups have the biggest influence. i am waiting for news that will go like this:

House Speaker and People Power Party Member Chai Chidchob

House Speaker Denies Being Next in Line for Premier Post

House Speaker Chai Chidchob has denied being next in line for the premier post if the People Power Party is forced to dissolve Parliament as the Party dissolution case looms.

As the dissolution case against the People Power Party approaches, many media organizations are widely speculating on the identity of the new premier. Many believe House Speaker Chai Chidchob could be appointed as the new prime minister, replacing PM Somchai Wongsawat.

But Chai denies the speculation, saying the post of House Speaker will be the highest post he'll ever assume in his political career.

Chai is one of the most elderly members of Parliament.

- TOC / 2008-11-19

[ratcatcher]

Anybody care to speculate on what is going through the wandering puppet master's mind at the moment?

Dubai or not Dubai, that is the question.

Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer

The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,

Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,

And by opposing, end them.........

[baht&sold]

Think the Nation came too just before the Brainwashing process was finished.

Politicians meeting with Anupong. Judges obeying orders and breaking up parties etc.

Looks like a coup, smells like a coup, walks like a coup. Just hope it loses international funding and aid like a Coup! This so called Elite must be losing a few bob by now.

Thaksin to be the Asian Chavez anybody!

Surely no falangs were taken in by this fascist, brainwashing, moonie, doomsday type cult. Do tell me none were.

After watching 'Kid Nation' on UBC, googled and came across this obviously less advanced example. Apologies then...

EDIT/PS: Pops, permanent disorder, rainman and 'the usual suspects' whom obviously covet a PM Chalerm or another Thaksin proxy-clown Govt, perhaps hit boot-camp in Kid Nation- if you could hack it (might be a bit above your grasp).

Edited December 7, 2008 by baht&sold

[permanent_disorder]

Plus, do you really believe that you are the voice of the 'forum', as suggested in your post? Why do you feel the need to attempt to silence others - that's not democracy / freedom of speech in action, is it? You last couple of sentence, are uncalled for in my humble opinion, but I'll be Thai; smile and not take offense.

that is the Plus like i know him. he would like to be the editor here and tells others that they should go away.

like a spare-time thaksin in miniature. that is the funny side of it.

Edited December 7, 2008 by permanent_disorder

[Sarge]

House Speaker Chai Chidchob

cor blimey that's one ugly geezer .... wouldn't want to meet him in a dark soi at night

[SomNamNah]

So i guess any bribes came out of Toxins frozen $2.3 billion cash?

I guess that is one way to remove him from the equation. Just lose the cash. Could buy an aircraft carrier with the leftover and <deleted> cambodia! hoorah!

I vote for YingLuck. hot as hel_l.. yum.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/a3a/991

Yingluck Shinawatra

President

Thailand

Edited December 7, 2008 by SomNamNah

[JetsetBkk]

House Speaker Chai Chidchob

cor blimey that's one ugly geezer .... wouldn't want to meet him in a dark soi at night

The ultimate Thai politician - one eye looking at you, the other looking for back-handers.

[steffi]

You'd think if the dragon lady had taken her role seriously she would have entered the country a lot sooner by land instead of waiting for the airport to re-open. I think the PAD deserves a lot of credit if the Democrats can form their government.

BTW: The media is reporting that she's clearly trying to influence defecting party members. So much for the whole "sick mother" story. Aren't people just sick of being lied to already?

This woman is bad for this country and I hope she goes down in flames.

Their desperate attempts to hold onto power just so they can save their own asses is hilarious.

Looks as if the demos may have enough votes to form the next Government

[gregb]

Anybody care to speculate on what is going through the wandering puppet master's mind at the moment?

Don't have to guess. He's told us. Thailand will not know peace until he's had his version of "justice".

Anyone who thinks the square faced one will go silently into that good night hasn't been paying attention. He's got a real problem as long as someone else is making the rules. If the Democrats really pull this off, which is not yet guaranteed, his "democratic" red army is obviously going to be launching alot of operation which border on being very "undemocratic".

If he can ferment enough distrust and anguish, then he could conceivably force the Democrats into dissolving parliament and getting new elections soon. Then, he's back in the game.

I've said this before, it will take several years of hard effort to get Thaksin out of the villages. He's got an extremely powerful political machine. Of course, it needs regular maintenance, and that will be difficult with him in exile, but it isn't impossible, and he's very motivated.

If the Democrats can't hold this for at least 2-5 years, then all we've bought ourselves is a slight reprieve. It still might take a civil war to get to a final solution. I don't believe Thaksin has ever shown he's good at being the underdog, but we know the man is tenacious and learns fast. If he really feels backed into a corner, he will make anything the PAD did look like a Sunday school picnic.

Of course, he won't be so stupid as to put his name on it. ;-) He does have alot of practice at being the puppet master.

[steffi]

Don't you think that the previous coalition members who are defecting do so simply to send a message that there is a price but you haven't got there yet. That's what it looks like to me. I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden that have the nations interest at heart.

Anybody care to speculate on what is going through the wandering puppet master's mind at the moment?

Don't have to guess. He's told us. Thailand will not know peace until he's had his version of "justice".

Anyone who thinks the square faced one will go silently into that good night hasn't been paying attention. He's got a real problem as long as someone else is making the rules. If the Democrats really pull this off, which is not yet guaranteed, his "democratic" red army is obviously going to be launching alot of operation which border on being very "undemocratic".

If he can ferment enough distrust and anguish, then he could conceivably force the Democrats into dissolving parliament and getting new elections soon. Then, he's back in the game.

I've said this before, it will take several years of hard effort to get Thaksin out of the villages. He's got an extremely powerful political machine. Of course, it needs regular maintenance, and that will be difficult with him in exile, but it isn't impossible, and he's very motivated.

If the Democrats can't hold this for at least 2-5 years, then all we've bought ourselves is a slight reprieve. It still might take a civil war to get to a final solution. I don't believe Thaksin has ever shown he's good at being the underdog, but we know the man is tenacious and learns fast. If he really feels backed into a corner, he will make anything the PAD did look like a Sunday school picnic.

Of course, he won't be so stupid as to put his name on it. ;-) He does have alot of practice at being the puppet master.

Edited December 7, 2008 by steffi

[dave9988]

Funny, funny, funny.

After a Sunday afternoon meeting of party executives and MPs, Democrat spokesman Buranaj Smutharaks told a press conference that the meeting agreed to the Democrat Party forming a new government and assigned party secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban to gather names of one-third of all members of Parliament to formally ask that an extraordinary session of parliament open Monday morning to elect a new prime minister.

The spokesman said the party was concerned about group of critics who spread untruths that the army had a hand in setting up the new coalition government, charges that tarnished both the army's image and that of the parties.

----

Mr Somsak said ex-Chart Thai chief adviser Sanan Kachornprasart was sent to the press conference with the Democrat party on Saturday to support the Democrat's plan to set up the next government.

He said it could be possible that the Democrat party may nominate Maj-Gen Sanan to the prime minister's post, but it would not be likely at the moment.

Mr Somsak said he did not join the meeting between Democrat secretary-general Suthep Thuagsuban and national army chief Anupong Paojinda to discuss the political direction on Saturday.

Corruption free Democrats, who have no deal with either PAD or the Army. Although I am sure that some you do not associate terrorism with corruption. Corruption is only linked to stuff the PPP does. Closing an airport and causing a million people to lose their job for your political gain is OK, but avoiding paying income tax makes you the most corrupt unethical man alive.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=135210

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=135214

Edited December 7, 2008 by dave9988

[termsak]

Obviously my posts might have seemed a bit straight forward and too hard to swallow for some of the posters here. Sorry, but it's just the way I am. Straight forward, agressive, slightly arrogant and with a slice of sarcasm. I agree, one can have a different opinion, but one does not need to be a complete idiot about it...(unless you were born one). Don't worry, in my line of work, I have seen and experienced much flaming/bashing/whatever. One can find it in every forum and this one is no different. It's a wonderful IT world we live in where one can sit comfortably and presumably safe behind the keyboard and become the toughest guy on this planet.

My only opinion raised in this forum has been the questioning on why people still support a criminal who has done much more damage than they know of. Suddenly we have the "fans" bashing up and down on something they know squat about. If you want me to give examples, I will.

If you want my other opinions, here it is:

1. I did not agree when PAD seized the airports. By doing that, they killed tourism. However, I did not like the way the Government was handling the situation either. We have a proxy-PM who obviously misunderstood the letters G-O-V-E-R-N in Government. Instead of action, we have re-action, and what was that? Telling on live TV a story about how the government has done this and that in the past! Touching a bit on Democracy and then.........nothing!

2. I don't like the way the Democrats is setting up the new Government as it is an unstable one. One can never predict what the MP's might do when a lucrative offer comes down the line. And MP's has a long history of back stabbing. I am slightly leaning to favor a re-election.

3. The Democrats is the least corrupt of all the parties. That does not mean they are the best as things tends to go slow then. One thing is for sure though, they have the brightest and best educated people there. They put the right people on the right job. With the democrats, you would not see a cook as a PM, a nurse as Finance Minister, people who bought their Ramkhamheng diploma in top jobs, a bewildered wife of an ex-politician as Minister, Happy Toilet.

Still, I am certain that what's happening now is for the better good. The "red" camp must understand who they are up against...and I am not talking about the PAD, Military, Court etc.

Finally, I appreciate the suspicion that I am a farang due to my proficiency in English. Rest assured, Thailand do have Thais with proper education and work. Some of you might have been surprised though...considering most of the English-speaking Thais you have come across, might be @ Nana.

[dave9988]

Obviously my posts might have seemed a bit straight forward and too hard to swallow for some of the posters here. Sorry, but it's just the way I am. Straight forward, agressive, slightly arrogant and with a slice of sarcasm.

:jerk:

[sriracha john]

I am what many call an "Insider" with friends and family on both camps. At least I know what I am writing about. Do you?

I am politically neutral, but I cant stand people supporting a convict on the run no matter how much it will hurt this country.

Blah, blah, blah. You mean that Thailand's notoriously corrupt courts could not have been paid to railroad a figure who is so unpopular with the ruling elite right now? There is no possibility that he is innocent?

You know nothing!

Your uneducated and childish reply just proves my point. Anyway, just to reply your post,

1.

2. Do you mean the same court who approved the bail and let him get out of the country before fleeing?

3. Do you even remotely think that he is innocent?

4. Do you mean the same court that his lawyers tried to give a 2M THB bribe and got caught? If he is innocent, why try to bribe then?

I agree though that a lot of motion has been put to take out the former regime and it's head. But I believe it is for the best of this country's long term plan. All things happening now is just a part of a big plot that people like you would never understand. I cant go into details with the risk of exposing myself too much. Just dont want the people at this forum be misled. Obviously, you are.

I think you have already done a pretty good job that.

Good Reply to this jerk. Should we call this jerk "Blowhard Elitest"? Where is he inthe 30% or the 7o%? His pharmaceutical enhanced rant seems to be only to pump his ego up.

Everyone should be outraged by an someome who is so protective of his identify when making ourrageous claims of "insider knowledge". Sounds very much like a grammar school prankster not anyone attempting to make a meaningful contribution to their country.

Some of these same people lampooning the new poster lapped up Colpyat's equally unproven claims for 2 years, but then again, his "insider knowledge" tended to supported their side, so I guess it was ok for that "Blowhard jerk" to do so.

Edited December 7, 2008 by sriracha john

[annamaria4711]

Obviously my posts might have seemed a bit straight forward and too hard to swallow for some of the posters here. Sorry, but it's just the way I am. Straight forward, agressive, slightly arrogant and with a slice of sarcasm. I agree, one can have a different opinion, but one does not need to be a complete idiot about it...(unless you were born one). Don't worry, in my line of work, I have seen and experienced much flaming/bashing/whatever. One can find it in every forum and this one is no different. It's a wonderful IT world we live in where one can sit comfortably and presumably safe behind the keyboard and become the toughest guy on this planet.

My only opinion raised in this forum has been the questioning on why people still support a criminal who has done much more damage than they know of. Suddenly we have the "fans" bashing up and down on something they know squat about. If you want me to give examples, I will.

which criminal are we talking about? I don't think there is anyone from any party that can say they are whiter than white

If you want my other opinions, here it is:

1. I did not agree when PAD seized the airports. By doing that, they killed tourism. However, I did not like the way the Government was handling the situation either. We have a proxy-PM who obviously misunderstood the letters G-O-V-E-R-N in Government. Instead of action, we have re-action, and what was that? Telling on live TV a story about how the government has done this and that in the past! Touching a bit on Democracy and then.........nothing!

I can't believe you saying this. The question you should be asking is WHY did the army and police ... WHY they ignored a PM's directive? On whose orders did they feel embolden enough to do that?

2. I don't like the way the Democrats is setting up the new Government as it is an unstable one. One can never predict what the MP's might do when a lucrative offer comes down the line. And MP's has a long history of back stabbing. I am slightly leaning to favor a re-election.

Yes...the Democrats have a long history of supporting right wing dictators

3. The Democrats is the least corrupt of all the parties. You are having a laugh...

That does not mean they are the best as things tends to go slow then. One thing is for sure though, they have the brightest and best educated people there.

Oh yes brightest and most educated...ahh the ones who deem fir that ONLY they have the education to vote...wow that's mightily educated

They put the right people on the right job. With the democrats, you would not see a cook as a PM, a nurse as Finance Minister, people who bought their Ramkhamheng diploma in top jobs, a bewildered wife of an ex-politician as Minister, Happy Toilet.

...right peopl ein the right jon you say....oh yes they have a long tradition of putting in generals..ohh and pretty boys who have no experience or wish for a united country

Still, I am certain that what's happening now is for the better good. The "red" camp must understand who they are up against...and I am not talking about the PAD, Military, Court etc.

It's not about a red or yellow camp, its about true democracy. One man One vote, I don't have to wear a particular colour to wish for a true democracy

Finally, I appreciate the suspicion that I am a farang due to my proficiency in English. Rest assured, Thailand do have Thais with proper education and work. Some of you might have been surprised though...considering most of the English-speaking Thais you have come across, might be @ Nana.

The only suspicion I comin up with is that you are particularly naive and arrogant. If you are so eductaed have you read the latest edition of the Economist, or better still read bangkok Pundit or Thai crisis or even better Absolutely bangkok and many others good websites

[sriracha john]

All things happening now is just a part of a big plot that people like you would never understand. I cant go into details with the risk of exposing myself too much.

It is pretty obvious from your 'insider" posts that you are either Agent Maxwell Smart or Inspector Jacques Clouseau. Which is it?

LOL .. another Colpyat!

hahahaha... just caught up reading up to this post to find someone else also making the Colpyat connection...

[annamaria4711]

SATURDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2008

Asian Human Rights Commission calls for "Rule of Law" in Thailand

Some might claim that the rule of law was served last week when the constitutional court dissolved the ruling PPP and barred its ruling executive from holding office for 5 years. What international readers might be less aware of is that the PPP, and its coalition partners, were singled out for prosecution by the court. The political party supporting the fascist PAD demonstrators, the pro-elite Democrats, have had similar allegations of corruption laid against them but no court action has come to pass. Thai constitutional law states that if a member of a political party is found to be corrupt the whole party and its executive must be dissolved/barred. Draw your own conclusions why the pro-elite, PAD supporting Democrats are yet to be held to account.

The Asian Human Rights Commission - an organisation based in Hong Kong with its entire controlling body drawn from Asian nations - is also calling for the rule of law to be extended to both PAD leaders and demonstrators. In a statement released yesterday the AHRC, when discussing damage done by the PAD, say that "Failure to prosecute these persons will amount to an acknowledgement that it is not the law but sheer impunity that rules in Thailand today. And an acknowledgment of impunity is an invitation to violence and human rights abuse of the worst possible forms."

The statement then goes on to say that "The Asian Human Rights Commission urges the police to fulfil their law-enforcement role and see that the ringleaders and primary perpetrators of the destruction at Government House, as well as those responsible for any similar damage at the two airports, be fully investigated, arrested and prosecuted without delay. There must be no negotiation, nor, above all, evidence of influence and reassurances of protection from powerful persons inside or outside of the policing agency. Those responsible for these crimes have said that they have a legal fund ready for the purpose of fighting cases lodged against them. Now let them use it."

You don't have to be a genius to work out that law and order is a moveable feast in Thailand. PAD members have openly shot at and attacked their fellow citizens without any consequence and their leaders who instigated this entire mess are not even close to arrest.

[sriracha john]

I vote for YingLuck. hot as hel_l.. yum.

As the Shinawatra money-laundering operation SC Asset slogan says,

"Be My Guest"...

Edited December 7, 2008 by sriracha john

[sriracha john]

SATURDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2008

this is one of several news articles I've come across on this thread that doesn't cite the source...

If members post news clippings in the news clippings forum, PLEASE POST the source of the news clipping and the date, as well as not make any personal comment within the same post, in accordance with thaivisa's protocol.

Thank you.

Edited December 7, 2008 by sriracha john

[annamaria4711]

SATURDAY, DECEMBER 6, 2008

this is one of several news articles I've come across on this thread that doesn't cite the source...

If members post news clippings in the news clippings forum, PLEASE POST the source of the news clipping and the date, as well as not make any personal comment within the same post, in accordance with thaivisa's protocol.

Thank you.

I'm sure if you googled the title you'll find it, I came across it either on Bangkok Pundit or maybe Thai Crisis

google it I'm sure you'll find it