Fiancee Visa

[fracair]

Ok ladies and Gentlemen

This is my first post and I am as nervous as a fish is out of water!

I went to Thailand at the end of January this year for three weeks; I spent 3 nights in Bangkok and then headed down to Pattaya, as I was a rookie I had not yet been with a girl, I was enjoying the vast difference between the UK and Thailand it overwhelmed me.

On my second night in Pattaya I was in a restaurant with the guys I went with to Thailand, when I notice a girl sitting a couple of tables away with a friend.

She and I caught each others eyes and I tell you it was love at first sight for the both of us.

I spoke to her and asked her if she would join us for a drink they both joined us and we had a great evening.

I arranged to meet her the next day and sure enough she arrived where we had arranged to meet.

We spent the next few days in Pattaya renting a motor cycle and just cruising around. Then came the day we had to pack up and go back to Bangkok to pick up a 7 seater car, for we were then driving to Phuket and Koh Samui.

I asked her to join us and to my amazement she replied yes, so we went off and done a lot of touring around falling very much in love with each other.

Then all too soon the time comes, that dark cloud descends the heart break of all heart breaks returning home.

When I returned we phoned every day sent emails two or three times a week outlining our love for each other to be of one heart.

Through work commitments it was not easy to get back out there to see her, but at the beginning of October I went back for a further three weeks, the reason to see her and reconfirm that our relationship. From day one the relationship was confirmed I indeed loved this girl with every cell in my body, and I know that she felt the same there was definitely chemistry between us.

We travelled by plane this time to Phuket, Chang Mai and Tak her home town. I met her Mama, Papa and Brother.

We then went to Pattaya and on the 17th of October I purchased an engagement ring and asked her to marry me, naturally she said yes and I am the happiest man in the world. That is until that cloud came down again and I had to return home on the 20th.

We call each other every day email every day text every day god knows how we find anything to talk about being in contact so often but we do. Our main topic and the reason I am writing this is that I am intending to apply for a fiancée visa with the intention of marriage in late June or early July 2007.

I have a good job where I have been employed by the same company now for just over four years, looking after people with mental illness and drug and alcohol addiction.

I rent a property from a housing association the letting agreement is for two people; I will have no problem in producing a letter to confirm this.

I understand that she will not be entitled to work until we receive a two year visa extension of leave to remain as my wife. I can confirm that I do have the funds and earnings to be able to take care of her.

Things I plan to have in place for her before she arrives

I plan to have met people from the Thai community and make arrangements for her to be able to go speak and get help and advice with Thai people already in the UK.

I have already begun this process I am meeting a representative on Wednesday 4th November.

I will also find out the nearest temples for her to visit, and what traditions and festivals large or small that take place here in England.

I am aware that she is not entitled to national health treatment so I will be taking out a private health care plan for her and me.

I will also take out a life insurance policy just in case anything should happen to me so she will not be left without funds.

I can also arrange for her to go to the adult education agency for the purpose of learning English, written and spoken. She can speak English quite well, so it will be her choice if she wishes to attend. I intend to learn Thai by the same means but I feel I will be more successful at this once she is here.

I intend to be with her at the interview she has for the visa in Bangkok to support her and to show that we are indeed committed to each other.

I love her with all my heart, and my intention is to ensure that I do everything I can in a correct and positive way that reflects our commitment to each other, so that we can be together our future.

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I have read in your forum that using a visa company is a waist of money as all my answers can be answered here.

Although she can speak English quite well she does have difficulty reading English, especially when it comes to long words or words that are used in a context she cannot understand, which would mean that form filling would be a problem for her. So for my own piece of mind knowing that there is someone out there taking care of all the legal issues does give me a sense of.

I have not yet instructed the visa company to start, I contacted the British embassy in London for advice and I received a phone call from a man last night who informed me to contact the British consulate in Bangkok as this is where the application would be made. When the time comes for the two year extension visa with her being my wife and she is living in England he can help in this.

I have sent an email to the consulate in Bangkok last night so I do not expect a reply for some time yet.

So that’s it basically I am open to all advice you can throw at me, I am as nervous as hel_l the fear of being turned down is somewhat a nightmare.

We do have a strong relationship we are very much committed to each other, and I can not live without her.

To answer the question should anyone ask I do not have the funds to move out to Thailand, I have savings but not enough that would set us up, we would be poor by the end of a couple of years.

Regards

Rob

[vinny]

See also Guidance - Husbands, wives and partners and Spouses, civil partners, fiance(e)s and proposed civil partners. Also, Fiancé(e)s/proposed civil partners and how they qualify. It may be more cost effective if you marry her in Thailand and then apply for a spouse visa.

UK Visa applications are made at the UK Visa Application Centre. Their Settlement - Fiancé and Settlement - Spouse checklists are also useful. Interviews, if required, will be conducted at the Embassy.

If you decide to marry in Thailand, also useful are:

Royal Thai Embassy's General Guidance for British Nationals wishing to marry in Thailand

British Embassy's Guidance for British Nationals Wishing to Marry in Thailand

Department of Local Administration's Marriage Registration.

As she will be going to the UK to live (either as a fiancé or spouse), she will be entitled to claim free NHS treatment from the day she arrives.

[scooty]

sawasdee Fracair,

Well my advice to you is to read as much information as possible. i just want to wish you good luck, i loved your post, very honest. good luck,

scooty

[fracair]

Thanks

I have looked at the sites you have sent me and have taken on board what I and she need to produce.

We are both very much in love with each other, I hope I have enougth evidence to support this, I ring her every day I email her two three times a day sometimes, we see each other by web cam two times a week. Easy for me as I have computer at home, she has to go to internet shop. I send text when I too busy for phone call mainly because I am at work.

She calls me everyday and I then I call her back cheaper for me I use country call UK. She emails two two three times a week all dependant on her being able to get to internet shop.

She has many many pictures of us together, from both visits, I shall be sending her video footage of the both of us shortly once I have edited them.

I am going to go down the route of using a visa company, purely because I am in England right now, she speaks English ok but not brillient, She reads some English but there are many English words she does not understand, so she would probably have trouble with the forms I feel, using the visa company will give me piece of mind, the lawyer is British whom I have met.

I know that I maybe blinded by love but I trust her and I believe in her we have something special, there is no doubt in my mind, she comes to England for to marry me and be with me.

I also intend to be there at the interview but I will be conducting all the paperwork from here and sending it to the visa company, once they have a date for the interview I will then fly out, I don't know how long after the interview it will be, before we recieve information that the visa has been successful. If only one week I maybe able to bring her back when I return. My biggest fear is that we are refused visa, but a second application will be made if we fail first time.There is no room in my heart for failiue.

I know it's not going to be an easy ride, but at the end of the day the embassy should be able to see that this is a genuine love relationship. As I said I will do everthing I can to support the application, detailing all the support I will have in place for her when she arrives in England.

[ThaiPauly]

When you go to the embassy Rob, they won't be one little bit interseted in seeing YOU..they will only want to see HER.

I know when I went to the Embassy, when My Wife was called to the counter, I was told to "GO AWAY"..when I stood my ground because I thought I could be of some assistance the booming "SIR ...GO AWAY" resounded through the microphone

Just ensure that She has all the right documentation and good luck.

PS .I met my Wife in a similar situation and it was Love at First sight for me too. We have been very happy together for the last 4 years

[paully]

Yes, there's no right for the sponsor to be present at the interview, but you can politely request whether your presence may be helpful.

[GU22]

I am going to go down the route of using a visa company, purely because I am in England right now, she speaks English ok but not brillient, She reads some English but there are many English words she does not understand, so she would probably have trouble with the forms I feel, using the visa company will give me piece of mind, the lawyer is British whom I have met.

Your choice, but I would save the visa agent's fee, were I you. From what you have said this seems a straightforward application and I cannot see the need for professional advice. The visa agent will doubtless disagree; but they would, wouldn't they? They want your money and so do not want people to find out how simple the process is for the majority of applicants.

You can fill in the form here and then send it to her with the supporting documents. She can add her documents (birth cert etc.) sign the form and present it to the VAC. If asked if she filled the form in herself it is perfectly acceptable to answer that you did it for her.

Why pay an agent to do what you can do yourself?

I also intend to be there at the interview but I will be conducting all the paperwork from here and sending it to the visa company, once they have a date for the interview I will then fly out, I don't know how long after the interview it will be, before we receive information that the visa has been successful.

If all the documents presented with the application show that, on the balance of probabilities, the criteria for the visa are met, then she wont be interviewed. She, not the visa agent, should be notified one way or the other within 10 working days of submitting the application. You can track the progress of the application here.

If she isn't interviewed then her passport will be returned to the VAC within 10 working days (usually). If she is interviewed, and is successful, then she will be able to collect her passport and visa later the same day or, more likely, the next day. Current waiting time for a settlement interview appears to be about 5 to 6 weeks.

[helicoptor]

Love is in the air

Everywhere I look around

Love is in the air

Every sight and every sound

And I don't know if I'm being foolish

Don't know if I'm being wise

But it's something that I must believe in

And it's there when I look in your eyes

Love is in the air

In the whisper of the trees

Love is in the air

In the thunder of the sea

And I don't know if I'm just dreaming

Don't know if I feel sane

But it's something that I must believe in

And it's there when you call out my name

(Chorus)

Love is in the air

Love is in the air

Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

Love is in the air

In the rising of the sun

Love is in the air

When the day is nearly done

And I don't know if you're an illusion

Don't know if I see it true

But you're something that I must believe in

And you're there when I reach out for you

Love is in the air

Every sight and every sound

And I don't know if I'm being foolish

Don't know if I'm being wise

But it's something that I must believe in

And it's there when I look in your eyes

(Repeat Chorus 4X)

[fracair]

sawasdee Fracair,

Well my advice to you is to read as much information as possible. i just want to wish you good luck, i loved your post, very honest. good luck,

scooty

Thanks thats exactly what I am doing looking through all posts in this particular forum, reading and learning. The honesty comes from my heart.

Edited November 2, 2006 by fracair

[fracair]

When you go to the embassy Rob, they won't be one little bit interseted in seeing YOU..they will only want to see HER.

I know when I went to the Embassy, when My Wife was called to the counter, I was told to "GO AWAY"..when I stood my ground because I thought I could be of some assistance the booming "SIR ...GO AWAY" resounded through the microphone

Just ensure that She has all the right documentation and good luck.

PS .I met my Wife in a similar situation and it was Love at First sight for me too. We have been very happy together for the last 4 years

I realise that I would not be allowed to be present at the actual interview, my main concern is to support her on the day, just be there for her when it counts most.

I must admit I am very scared, my life is in there hands.

[fracair]

You can fill in the form here and then send it to her with the supporting documents. She can add her documents (birth cert etc.) sign the form and present it to the VAC. If asked if she filled the form in herself it is perfectly acceptable to answer that you did it for her.

If she isn't interviewed then her passport will be returned to the VAC within 10 working days (usually). If she is interviewed, and is successful, then she will be able to collect her passport and visa later the same day or, more likely, the next day. Current waiting time for a settlement interview appears to be about 5 to 6 weeks.

I must admit I am very scared I do not want to do anything wrong in our application to jeopardise our chances. I have read some scary stories and they worry me!

I feel that in my case my fiancée will need the support from someone who knows what to do and how etc. She is as worried as I am, I spoke with her tonight about visa it's very confusing for her, she wants visa so much as I do, it is a very emotional time right now, having a visa company work for us would at least give us some piece of mind that everything is being done in accordance of legislation.

I have heard that the embassy frowns upon visa companies, not sure if it is true or not! the visa company I have in mind has been in business for 12 years.

He tells me that he will collate all the paperwork, process the application with her, translate all paperwork that needs to be translated. He will train her for interview if there is to be one, take her for TB x-ray, and take her to the interview. If the first application is turned down, the reason given is addressed and then re-submitted at no extra cost to me.

I am 45 I have never been married English girls today are to bloke like for me, I went to Thailand first time Jan 06 never expected to meet and fall in love, but I did.

Now after returning from the second trip, she and I in life all we want is to be together, our love for each other is 100% she is one of the very special Thai girls who is in it for love nothing else matters, she knows I not have a lot of money this is ok for her, we in love too much.

Really she is an angel she is so beautiful, half Thai half Chinese I am a very lucky man, I aim to make us a very happy couple.

[GU22]

having a visa company work for us would at least give us some piece of mind that everything is being done in accordance of legislation.

Not necessarily, unfortunately. Many long established visa agents, including some who advertise on this site, have information on their websites which is misleading, ill informed, out of date or just plain wrong! Some agents are well known for advising applicants to hide things, or make things up which may appear more palatable to the ECO. Don't take such advice! ECOs can spot such lies easily, and being caught in one lie means they wont believe anything else you or she says.

I have heard that the embassy frowns upon visa companies, not sure if it is true or not!

Not necessarily. The official advice on visa agents is to exercise caution when choosing one, as many are, to be blunt, crooks who prey on the vulnerable.

He tells me that he will collate all the paperwork, process the application with her, translate all paperwork that needs to be translated. He will train her for interview if there is to be one, take her for TB x-ray, and take her to the interview. If the first application is turned down, the reason given is addressed and then re-submitted at no extra cost to me.

Process the application. How? He does not issue visas, the visa section at the embassy does. How can he process the application?

He will train her for interview if there is to be one. What sort of training? Help her prepare and feel confident, or get her to rehearse a pack of lies?

Take her to the interview. He can't. He can escort her to Wireless Road, but only applicants are allowed inside.

If the first application is turned down, the reason given is addressed and then re-submitted at no extra cost to me. If a visa is refused, then the only way to proceed is to address the reasons for the refusal. But what if the visa is refused because he convinced her to try and hide or lie about something? What does he mean by no extra cost to you? Will he pay the next application fee?

It is up to you to use his services or not, but were I you I would want answers to the questions posed above before I parted with any money. References from satisfied clients would be a good idea, too.

[Thaipwriter]

**edited for offensive flame***

Edited November 3, 2006 by sbk

[GU22]

It is not often that I am so disgusted by the crassness and ignorance of a post that I am moved to report it to a mod. In fact, never before have I done so on TV.

But the above is so childishly spiteful that I have now broken that duck..

[ling men]

Listen to GU22, he know what he’s talking about. Prepare the visa application yourself and if you need any help I’m sure Scouser, GU22 and his good friend Atlastaname will be there with good advice.

I went along with g/f for visit visa application. We turned up at 6am and there was already one Thai man there. He had used the agency in Regent House and this was his second attempt, and after he had been at the counter for 5 minutes he had to run next door to the agency for more paperwork.

You can gather together all the paperwork from the above checklist, present it nicely in a binder and post it to her. Then all she will have to do is get her passport, i.d. card, photos etc and hand these in along with your binder. On the day all your g/f will do is hand over the paperwork. The officer behind the counter will check all the paperwork is present and, if it is, it will be passed on for processing. If the paperwork is ok she might get a brief phone interview but probably won’t have to attend an interview.

If you use the checklists and all the items on the list are covered with as much paperwork as you can get, then you will have done your best and it should be enough.

Best of luck to you, I can appreciate your situation but try not to get too attached and be patient. Many men have been in your situation and its all went pear shaped. Even if you get the visa and she comes for a visit, it will still be difficult (this will be my situation as of next week and I have a few worries). Let us know how you get on.

[fracair]

Listen to GU22, he know what he’s talking about. Prepare the visa application yourself and if you need any help I’m sure Scouser, GU22 and his good friend Atlastaname will be there with good advice.

Ok I am starting to get the hang of this now, Correct me if I am wrong, here is the list of what documents are required.

1. Completed VAF 2, (completed by my fiancee)

2. Two recent passport-sized photographs, (of the applicant my fiancee)

3. Current passport valid for at least 3 months ( this she is going to have to apply for prior the application for visa)

4 Certified copy of spouses passport as evidence that he/she is British or is settled in the UK( This I supply, each page copied and then certified by a solicictor or the likes, do i need to send more than one copy).

5 Evidence of any marriage plans including when/where ceremony will take place (I think i can prearrange the ceremony, but I think she has to sign once she is here that she is free and willing to marry, so that the wedding bands can be displayed)

6 Sponsorship letter from spouse confirming support of application (Letter from me detailing how we met, my intentions and what i have put in place to support her)

7 Evidence of spouse’s current financial position in the UK, e.g. salary details, recent bank statements etc. (How many copies and do i need to send originals)

8 Evidence of spouse’s accommodation in UK, e.g. mortgage statement, letter from landlord, tenancy agreement etc. (original + 1 photocopy). ( This is not a problem I rent a one bedroom appartment from a housing association)

9 Divorce or death certificate of your or your spouse’s previous husband or wife (if you or your spouse were married before). Please note that where the spouse and his previous husband or wife are resident in the United Kingdom a UK divorce certificate is required. ( She was married at 20 years of age but is now divorced, she informs me that she does have the divorce papers, I have never been married)

10 Evidence of relationship – photographs, personal correspondence etc. (We have many photos of us together, she also has video of us together, many emails that have been sent both ways, We telephone everyday, if she calls me I then call her back.)

(One thing I will mention is that we both use a pay as u go mobile, and i will all the time use country call uk which is a cheap rate number for Thailand 4p a min to phone her mobile, I of course have details of these calls on my phone bill but it only lists the pre dial number not hers. i hope this is not an issue)

11 If children are also applying – evidence is required that the parent applying for settlement has custody of the children ( Not an issue right now, she does have a child and the father has custordy)

12 A certificate issued by International Organisation for Migration (IOM) confirming that the applicant is free from infectious tuberculosis (TB) ( She is to have this X-ray done and the results before submisstion of application)

13 Visa and service fee charge. (I send her money she then pays)

14 Any other documents in support of your application. (I will send letters of introdution from Thai people in my town offering advice and support within the Thai community, I can send references, from my employers, from my boss also one from a pastor for credibility. I will show that I have taken out a health care plan for her as she may not qualify for national health, I will have also taken out a life insurance policy in the event of any misfortune)

I understand that i must produce all original documents plus copies, one thing that worries me is if the originals get mislaid.

she is concerned though she works in a resturant bar, now she does service only, she does not go with farang and she never has, this I believe to be true, I have spoken to her boss and her manager and I have spoken to her about it many times. Her own words were I never go with farang I not sell my body, I not do this, I cannot.

Now I know some of you out there are going to read this and say yeah pull the other one, I accept that this is the truth, if you knew her as I do then maybe you would understand.

I am not concerned we will tell embasy nothing but the truth, I understand the consiquences if we lie and I cannot and will not jeopardise my chance of a life with her.

This girl is different, she is one of the special kind where love is the most important thing for her.

Some of you may pre judge her, I want to make it very clear to you that her and my intentions are honourable, she is a very special person indeed.

Rob

[Mossfinn]

Hi Rob,

Just to reiterate what some of the previous posters have said, use a visa agent with extreme caution.

I liked your story and the supporting evidence seems pretty strong, including video evidence, well that can only reinforce the case.

The Agents cannot guarantee a thing, whatever they say and whatever comes about, under no circumstances lie about anything it will blow the whole case out of the water.

I have given this advice before, but once more wont harm:

1. Download the forms.

2. Have a bash at filling them in yourself.

3. If in any difficulties, request help from this forum.

4. If you still feel you need help, instuct a reputable and suitably referenced Agent.

There is one not too far away

Believe me, we all know the anxiety you are feeling and do not take your willingness to use an agent lightly.

Good Luck

Moss

As an aside, I was fairly dissapointed with your response too, Thaipwriter, what did you expect to accomplish with such a destructive comment.

These comments are best left in the other forums where puerile, inane, potless comments are more welcome.

[Mossfinn]

Now I know some of you out there are going to read this and say yeah pull the other one, I accept that this is the truth, if you knew her as I do then maybe you would understand.

Rob

You posted this after I started my last comment, so they have overlapped somewhat.

Many girls work in restaurant/bars and do not work in the situation you refer to, however there will be the sceptics, that is for you to deal with yourself, the majority, I would hazard a guess, couldn't care less where your other half worked or came from, including Mars if the case may be.

Moss

[fracair]

Many girls work in restaurant/bars and do not work in the situation you refer to, however there will be the sceptics, that is for you to deal with yourself, the majority, I would hazard a guess, couldn't care less where your other half worked or came from, including Mars if the case may be.

Moss

Thanks Moss

Nice to speak with someone that has a heart, I do not know what Thaipwriter had written and I don't care to know either.

I will keep posted events as they happen, but I am 90% certain that I will use a visa company, I have been recommended to by a German businessman. I have met the man and I am well aware that he cannot pre-empt or influence the decision. I am aware that he collates all the info makes sure everything is in order, however he will be helping my fiancée with her application and I will advise the lawyer that at no time do I wish to fabricate any part of our application. The reason for using the visa agent is that I feel that my fiancée, could without no fault of her own forget something or find it difficult to understand. I merely want her to have as much support as possible, if I were in Thailand I would do it with her no problem, but I am in England plus she has ackowlaged to me that she needs support. So for these reasons I do that, if we fail then at least she will have learnt what and how to do next time for ourselves. I am quitely confident for we can produce enougth evidence to meet the requirements, hopefully its more than they need.

Rob

[Ollie]

Fracair,

Do yourself a favour and actually take notice of the advice you are being given!

I completed all of the forms for my wife and step-son. Form filling is not an art, if you really are a Brit, doing what you say you do, then its second nature. I sent or delivered all that was needed. What I couldn't do, my wife did, which was a lot, actually. Not once, ever, did we consider using an agency in LOS. Nor was it needed with the advice we received here and elsewhere.

If you intend to take advice, don't look to LOS, the clues are staring you in the face!

[pompeysi]

There is a case for using a visa agent. What they can do (as fracair has already said) is to support his fiance in many ways. They can explain the situation clearly, they can prepare her for an interview, they can take the stress away from both halves of the couple, and they are experienced. They can also take away a certain amount of stress.

I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong fracair) that with a lot of visa companys you pay a small deposit, then pay a larger amount when you get the visa. Of course you should tread with caution, but if he is in england and his girlfriend is nervous ( maybe never done something like this before ) then we can all understand the reasons why this decision has been made.

I have a lot of time to put into our application so eventually I decided not to go down the visa company route (mainly on the advice from members on this forum) but I did have to persuade my girlfriend, and even now she is worried that I am trusting the word of users on here instead of a visa company "that is in the same building as the VAC". Only time will tell if we have made the right decision, but I personally think we already have.

Good luck fracair, certainly your honesty can only help the application.

[fracair]

There is a case for using a visa agent. What they can do (as fracair has already said) is to support his fiance in many ways. They can explain the situation clearly, they can prepare her for an interview, they can take the stress away from both halves of the couple, and they are experienced. They can also take away a certain amount of stress.

I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong fracair) that with a lot of visa companys you pay a small deposit, then pay a larger amount when you get the visa. Of course you should tread with caution, but if he is in england and his girlfriend is nervous ( maybe never done something like this before ) then we can all understand the reasons why this decision has been made.

I have a lot of time to put into our application so eventually I decided not to go down the visa company route (mainly on the advice from members on this forum) but I did have to persuade my girlfriend, and even now she is worried that I am trusting the word of users on here instead of a visa company "that is in the same building as the VAC". Only time will tell if we have made the right decision, but I personally think we already have.

Good luck fracair, certainly your honesty can only help the application.

Pompeysi

Exactly my point thank you pompeysi, the primary reason is that she has that support and has someone to turn to for answers whom she can easily access. I don't have all the answers so I could make her worries worse for her, at least they explain everything in Thai for her to understand.

This is the main factor in choosing an agency to compile the application. I make a single payment once preceedings start that will include all costs, including trips to Bangkok for X-ray and interview if required.

I Hope everything goes well for you pompeysi, so many people going through the same emotions and headaches as I, I know one thing I will be getting very drunk the day I hear she has visa no doubt you too. Good luck and have a happy life.

Ollie

Your right I probably could complete all the forms and supply everything myself, but for the reasons given above and in other posts, I feel I am making the right choice, I do not wish my fiancee to have to be alone out there without help. Good luck to you and your family

Rob

[GU22]

the majority, I would hazard a guess, couldn't care less where your other half worked or came from, including Mars if the case may be.

And this includes the ECO. When telling the ECO how you met in your sponsor's letter and, if necessary, at the interview, tell the truth. The ECO doesn't care how you met or what work she did before. All the ECO is concerned with is whether the application meets the relevant requirements of the immigration rules.

One of my problems with agents in Bangkok is that they usually try to persuade their clients to fabricate a story about how they met, instead of telling the simple truth that they met in a bar. Hence the ECOs see a lot of ridiculous stuff such as, with respect, the "our eyes met across a crowded room" nonsense from your OP. The ECOs can see right through this sort of rubbish.

The only way to succeed is to tell the truth. If you met in a bar, say so. The ECOs know that many Thai/Farang relationships start this way and, as long as you show that the relationship has moved on from a simply commercial one into a real emotional one, they don't care.

Back to your list:

1) Correct, though you can fill it out, she just has to sign it.

2) Correct.

3) Correct

4) Correct, but include copies of the blank pages as well. One copy is enough.

5) Some registry offices may confirm a provisional booking for you, but you cannot make a firm booking until she is in the UK as you both have to attend to do so. If you cannot make a provisional booking, then simply give an outline of when and where you intend to marry.

6) Correct

7) Originals if possible, if not then certified copies. I'd recommend 6 months of wage slips and bank statements.

8) Correct

9) Correct.

10) Mention the access number in your sponsor's letter and that you use this to call her in Thailand. Not a problem, they see it all the time.

11) Even though the child is not applying, complete his/her details in the relevant part of the form. Not mentioning the child now will cause problems should you wish to apply for a visa, even a visit visa, later. Include details of who has custody and is caring for the child.

12) Correct, no TB certificate means the application will be automatically refused.

13) Correct. Simplest way of doing so is to take cash to the VAC and buy the draught from them.

14) Up to you, but remember that third parties cannot supply references for her unless they know her. Life insurance is always a good idea, but the health plan is not really necessary. As she will be entering the UK with a view to settlement she will be eligible for NHS treatment from day one.

Finally, although not strictly necessary, I would supply certified English translations of her birth and divorce certificate; anything to make life easy for the ECO! Even though you don't really need them for the visa application you will need them in the UK, and it's a lot cheaper to get these translations done in Thailand than it would be in the UK.

[fracair]

Finally, although not strictly necessary, I would supply certified English translations of her birth and divorce certificate; anything to make life easy for the ECO! Even though you don't really need them for the visa application you will need them in the UK, and it's a lot cheaper to get these translations done in Thailand than it would be in the UK.

Thanks for that your reply has given me a much needed confidence boost, I know now that I do have enough evidence to convince the embassy of a true relationship. Exactly as you stated I will proceed in this manner, at no time will I allow for a false statement to be made

It's so hard I feel so alone and she is so far away, if it was not for work commitments I would fly out tomorrow, I speak with her every day some times two times a day for 1-2 hours at a time.

I hope to have all the paper work I need to send along with references etc by the end of the month and have the visa application in by December all well I hope to bring her to England by February for a June wedding.

Rob

[the gent]

Is it just me or do others also think that 'fracair' is another, somewhat overblown, creation by that grand scribe.........

[BKK90210]

Give him a break....He’s madly & blindly in love!

I have to say….she is some lucky gal to have such a devoting/dotting man, don’t know about him though….time will tell….

However the subject is suitable for another thread....so best left him alone

[fracair]

Is it just me or do others also think that 'fracair' is another, somewhat overblown, creation by that grand scribe.........

Overblown never, just because I am man enough to vent my feelings and intentions, and yes I will get people who will ridicule my posts but that's there problem not mine.

I have been lucky enough to have met the woman I know I want to spend the rest of my life with and if you feel that this overblown, then I take it you have never been in love.

BKK90210

Thanks for the defence

Rob

[Mossfinn]

BKK90210

Thanks for the defence

Rob

Rob,

BKK is well known for the support of fellow members as the gent is for his disingenuous nature.

Moss

[JetsetBkk]

She has many many pictures of us

Two times in Thailand and already "many many".

[the gent]

Is it just me or do others also think that 'fracair' is another, somewhat overblown, creation by that grand scribe.........

Overblown never, just because I am man enough to vent my feelings and intentions, and yes I will get people who will ridicule my posts but that's there problem not mine.

I have been lucky enough to have met the woman I know I want to spend the rest of my life with and if you feel that this overblown, then I take it you have never been in love.

BKK90210

Thanks for the defence

Rob

My dear chap, writing in the affected style of a self indulgent wet prat posing as a modern man in touch with his girly side is soooo passe. It is for that reason alone that ridicule should be heaped upon you, never mind that tedious rehash of a storyline of witless ingenue ensnared by a scheming floozie.

If you continue to post your hackneyed crap please up your game and try to keep the solecisms to a minimum. The possessive plural is ' their ' not there.

Toodle pip