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Consider what is proposed without cynical bias....Thailand has been embroiled in corruption across trhe board for decades and more. In this shrinking world Thailand needs find a new way to forward itself.
Past and present influentual members of political and /or/with business connections cannot have avoided participation.
The proposal is that in the future such participation will be severely punished.
Retrospective punishment for those who have already been censured would be vindictive as would witch hunting the involuntaries
Current action against investigated / self exiled criminally charged or similar such individuals is mandatory regardless.
The concept of the overall reforms is to try and create a new and legally enforcable platform politically/legislatively and thus beneficient to Thailand overall.
Harking back to what is as if it will and must remain is a negative impediment that will only prolong the process.
Cynical and derisive comment likely comes most from those that fear the loss of some advantage from the previous situation.
This Junta is attempting a social revolution without the revolution on behalf of a population that in the majority have been kept nescient and incognizant by means of social/cultural/political manipulation.
Resistance would seem selfish.
good analysis of the situation
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It's amazing to see that it is the same political group who is disagree with this !
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Another corrupt politician who try to escape Justice........
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Several news reports have indicated that Pattaya's English radio stations are off the air for various reasons including a lack of official licenses and simply the fear of being closed down by government authorities for saying stuff that would upset the correct political regime. Can someone (with knowledge) explain the real reasons and , if possible, an estimate on when the stations may be back on the air.
Or their frequencies interfere with Air Traffic Control radio messaging?
Lets see, Thai shock socks or increased air safety, which would you prefer?
Not everything is a political issue.
For some people, all is good for criticizes government and authorities works without understand why ! This attitude can break forum rules.
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Stupid farmer... elephants are endangered species
I hope he will be severely punish
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...aaaaahhh...the ever so popular "you are not on my side, you are a red-shirt"- defense!
A little reminder:
"There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag "
" Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both."
Your quotes, your laws, your stupidity!
Thai law, and this law do not refer to underwear, but people who burn or destroy foreign symbol, your misinterpreted of law and your bad faith are immeasurable
Very amazing the problem you have got with underwear ......
Read the part that I bolded again and look up the word deride!
After that...bury your head!
I invite you to go RTP to logde complain against Central or other market........
If you are not agree with thai law and Thailand you can leave the country
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Now if you think France is really country of Freedom and free speech......
Yesterday 300 persons have been arrested in all Paris follow a forbidden but peaceful protest against Holland and is government (That you recall anything ?)
The french authority claim "This demonstration has not been declared and therefore is considered illegal"
So what? What has it to do with freedom of speech? They have been stopped because they were going to Concorde square and disturb the parade. Not because of their ideas that they are allowed to diffuse freely.And had no autorisation. As written in the news they have all been released the same day.
Some protester claim in some news that there right of assembly and free speech has been violate by french authorities.......
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...aaaaahhh...the ever so popular "you are not on my side, you are a red-shirt"- defense!
A little reminder:
"There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag "
" Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both."
Your quotes, your laws, your stupidity!
Thai law, and this law do not refer to underwear, but people who burn or destroy foreign symbol, your misinterpreted of law and your bad faith are immeasurable
Very amazing the problem you have got with underwear ......
Thai immigration laws make no mention of foreign nationals. Does that mean the law does not apply to them?
We not speak about Thai immigration law but criminal code
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...aaaaahhh...the ever so popular "you are not on my side, you are a red-shirt"- defense!
A little reminder:
"There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag "
" Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both."
Your quotes, your laws, your stupidity!
Thai law, and this law do not refer to underwear, but people who burn or destroy foreign symbol, your misinterpreted of law and your bad faith are immeasurable
Very amazing the problem you have got with underwear ......
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hope the ambassador explained that since 1789, such offences cannot be handed down to the people of france anymore
Well
The revision of the penal code in 1832 has removed the mention lese majeste in France
Explanation :
After Louis XVI France has have 3 kings who reign, 2 of the House of Bourbons (like Louis XVI) and the last one House of Orleans :
- Louis XVIII 8 July 1815 – 16 September 1824 ;
- Charles X 16 September 1824 –2 August 1830 ;
- Louis-Philippe Ier 9 August 1830 –24 February 1848.
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Now if you think France is really country of Freedom and free speech......
Yesterday 300 persons have been arrested in all Paris follow a forbidden but peaceful protest against Holland and is government (That you recall anything ?)
The french authority claim "This demonstration has not been declared and therefore is considered illegal"
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dm7 sorry,but there is no problem wearing clothes representing our respective flags.It means that we love and respect our country.What is outrageous, it is foreigners who burn our flag, foreigners who spit on our flag, foreigners who wipe their ass with shit our flag, as often happens in France.And in France, we tend to hide this stuff.
Again: go to MBK and check out, which flags are printed on Bikinis, underwear, flip- flops, hot pants...
And then: look which one for sure isn't printed on any of these things and which will cause a major outrage if it was!
There was a company, that tried to print the Thai- flag on panties...ooooooooh, the outrage!
Like other red shirts you don't understand the sense of the law...
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Read the post Netherland
After some research the sentences dished out were a week imprisonment and 400 Euro fine. Very silly but in no way comparable to Thailand where you can spend up to 15 years in jail and the law is used and abused so much.
It is an archaic law and has no place in modern societies anywhere in the world.
It is better than North KOREA
On 30 April 2015, North Korean Minister of Defense Hyon Yong Chol was reportedly executed on charges of lèse-majesté -
lèse majesté ?????not know this word in France"Thank you for this moment"
Well....
The offense to heads of state : lese majeste remains a crime in Europe.
In France : since 2013 it is identical to that of ministers and parliamentarians, insult or defamation of the President of the Republic can be punished with a fine of € 45,000
In Belgium, the crime of "insulting the person of the king" is registered in the criminal code. Since the Act of 9 September 1885, he is considered a "crime against state security"
The Netherlands: tolerance for artists, not for citizens. the crime of lese majeste is punishable since 1881! Sentence? "Prison sentence up to five years and a fine of the fourth category." In the last years of the reign of Beatrix, the number of convictions for lese majeste has multiplied. While there had been no convictions since 1969, between 2000 and 2012, 19 people were prosecuted and convicted 9 (5 fines and 4 prison sentences ).
In Germany, publicly slandering the president of the Republic is a punishable offense since 1952, from 3 months to 5 years imprisonment by Article 90 of the Penal Code.Quite often used, the article 90 has opened the way to 41 cases between 1990 and 2004.
In Greece the law on "Offending governments" calls "high treason" with sentences ranging from 10 years imprisonment to life.
In Italy, the crime of insulting the head of state was introduced under the fascist regime in 1930 and was never abolished. This offense is punishable by one to five years in prison.
Do you have examples of any of these nations arresting and imprisoning people on a count of these laws?
Read the post Netherland
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Okay!
Let's make some flip=flops and some underwear with the Thai- flag!
As long as we don't burn it, right?!
You can make what you want with your underwear
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Ah! good, 45 000 euros for defamation or insult.And when we whistle the Marseillaise is how much?And when one torch ass with the French flag, is how?And when we say "I nic France," is how much.?They insult the President, his government, the whole of France, I think. .How much is it allBlah blah blah. 45000, on paper, that's all.Tap google: Sarko, Holland, and you tell me the news.
In Thailand..... Art 133 of Criminal code Whoever, defaming, insulting or threatening the Sovereign, Queen, Consort, Heir-apparent or Head of Foreign State, shall be imprisoned as from one year to seven years or fined as from two thousand to fourteen thousand Baht, or both.
Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both.
I could tell you, what I really think of you, but like to keep my posting rights!
Go to MBK and test your Section 135, while looking at underwear, swimmwear, bikinis, hot pants, flip=flops and the likes, with the Stars & Stripes, The Union Jack, the Brazillian Flag etc. on them!
Guess which is the ONLY flag, you would NEVER find, used on any of these, you hypocrite!
There is a different between fashion and burnt a flag
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lèse majesté ?????not know this word in France"Thank you for this moment"
Well....
The offense to heads of state : lese majeste remains a crime in Europe.
In France : since 2013 it is identical to that of ministers and parliamentarians, insult or defamation of the President of the Republic can be punished with a fine of € 45,000
In Belgium, the crime of "insulting the person of the king" is registered in the criminal code. Since the Act of 9 September 1885, he is considered a "crime against state security"
The Netherlands: tolerance for artists, not for citizens. the crime of lese majeste is punishable since 1881! Sentence? "Prison sentence up to five years and a fine of the fourth category." In the last years of the reign of Beatrix, the number of convictions for lese majeste has multiplied. While there had been no convictions since 1969, between 2000 and 2012, 19 people were prosecuted and convicted 9 (5 fines and 4 prison sentences ).
In Germany, publicly slandering the president of the Republic is a punishable offense since 1952, from 3 months to 5 years imprisonment by Article 90 of the Penal Code.Quite often used, the article 90 has opened the way to 41 cases between 1990 and 2004.
In Greece the law on "Offending governments" calls "high treason" with sentences ranging from 10 years imprisonment to life.
In Italy, the crime of insulting the head of state was introduced under the fascist regime in 1930 and was never abolished. This offense is punishable by one to five years in prison.
Just FYI, you may check out this page!
There are laws, and there are laws that are followed!
France, Belgium, The Netherlands and Germany have not enforced these laws in a really looooooooooooong time!
You know why?
Because they have grown up!
you have a narrow view of what is happening in Europe ensuring steady
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Ah! good, 45 000 euros for defamation or insult.And when we whistle the Marseillaise is how much?And when one torch ass with the French flag, is how?And when we say "I nic France," is how much.?They insult the President, his government, the whole of France, I think. .How much is it allBlah blah blah. 45000, on paper, that's all.Tap google: Sarko, Holland, and you tell me the news.
In Thailand..... Art 133 of Criminal code Whoever, defaming, insulting or threatening the Sovereign, Queen, Consort, Heir-apparent or Head of Foreign State, shall be imprisoned as from one year to seven years or fined as from two thousand to fourteen thousand Baht, or both.
Section 135 Whoever, doing any act to the flag or any other emblem to be symbolized the friendly Foreign State with the intention to deride that State, shall be imprisoned not out of two years or fined not out of four thousand Baht, or both.
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lèse majesté ?????not know this word in France"Thank you for this moment"
Well....
The offense to heads of state : lese majeste remains a crime in Europe.
In France : since 2013 it is identical to that of ministers and parliamentarians, insult or defamation of the President of the Republic can be punished with a fine of € 45,000
In Belgium, the crime of "insulting the person of the king" is registered in the criminal code. Since the Act of 9 September 1885, he is considered a "crime against state security"
The Netherlands: tolerance for artists, not for citizens. the crime of lese majeste is punishable since 1881! Sentence? "Prison sentence up to five years and a fine of the fourth category." In the last years of the reign of Beatrix, the number of convictions for lese majeste has multiplied. While there had been no convictions since 1969, between 2000 and 2012, 19 people were prosecuted and convicted 9 (5 fines and 4 prison sentences ).
In Germany, publicly slandering the president of the Republic is a punishable offense since 1952, from 3 months to 5 years imprisonment by Article 90 of the Penal Code.Quite often used, the article 90 has opened the way to 41 cases between 1990 and 2004.
In Greece the law on "Offending governments" calls "high treason" with sentences ranging from 10 years imprisonment to life.
In Italy, the crime of insulting the head of state was introduced under the fascist regime in 1930 and was never abolished. This offense is punishable by one to five years in prison.
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There are 365 days in a year and they chose the 14th of July!
A little history for dummies
Specifically designates as the Feast of the Federation the feast that was celebrated at the Champ de Mars in Paris, July 14, 1790, the first anniversary of the storming of the Bastille. In a climate of national unity, we saw a large crowd gathered around the king and members of the 83 departments. Louis XVI was present at this festival, and it was sworn to the Nation and to the law.
This event is celebrated every 14 July since 1880, as the French National Day. -
It seems that Israeli Air force will have work soon
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PTP and Dems look to be dissolve soon
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When Washington needs Tehran for fight ISIS, to the detriment of Gulf Monarchies, it's sure a deal can found
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Wealth inequality causes many problems, but Thailand's civil unrest has more to do with the inability to overcome the desire for revenge. Elites are on both sides of the political divide and exploit the impoverished for their own purpose and profit.
Totally Agree ....
"It's about the people to be guided, not whether educated; he is not worthy of being "
Voltaire
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