KhunHeineken

The writing was on the wall decades ago. There are more on welfare than workers, so those on welfare get to dictate government policy every election. Thus, it's set to keep going in the same direction for decades to come.

Don't forget the whole suburbs of housing commission in Campbelltown. How many different mothers? Usually, the guy was on the dole, and shouldn't be living with the girl who's on the single mother's pension. Between them, they brought in more money than most average paid workers. You still see these people in the shops in Australia, doing the same their parents did, and grandparents did, every pension day. First purchase, carton of cigarettes, second purchase, carton of beer and cask wine. Then, food for the kids. Talking about bars, cheaper to let them out and pay them the dole, than to build more gaols and protect the community from them. Hence, the high crime rate from this demographic in the community.

I bet the kids never ended up working, either. Of course they are. Why would you think they wouldn't be. They are Australian citizens. They can vote, so any government looking to stop the rorting would never be voted in, hence, they would never announce such a policy. So, it proliferates. Also, you are forgetting all the other benefits they all get over the decades, like no car rego, energy rebates, public transport etc etc. No end in sight. Set to continue for generations to come. Australia - The Lucky Country. Let immigrants from poorer countries in to work and pay tax so you don't have to work, then complain about immigrants taking a job that you were never going to do in the first place.

I've asked the member similar. Perhaps he feels entitled to both. Or, perhaps he's like another of this forum who has posted he's on a Vet's pension, then posted he's on a Aged Pension, then back to a Vet's Pension etc etc, when you can't be on both.

Unlike many others, who I have NEVER reported, I have not breached any forum rules. Many members take advantage of that. Water off a duck's back for me. You post says more about you, than me.

As mentioned, under an old scheme, I was under the belief that if one did 20 years in the forces, they could take a pension.

Not just country towns, the cities, also. Australia now has welfare generational families. Mum and dad never worked, and grandpa and grandma never worked, yet, they have a car, big TV's, can afford alcohol and cigarettes. Apparently, the child is supposed to grow up to see that the daily grind of having a job, just to support mum, dad, and the grandparents, and others, through their income tax, is the way to go. Being on welfare has become a lifestyle choice in Australia, and the shrinking middle class is paying for it. It's unsustainable.

Asked the same also. At 80, surely he was under the old scheme of 20 years in the forces and you can take a pension.

An ex-serviceman can not be on both pensions. It's due to receiving other forms of incomes and thresholds. I'll go an edit that post now and ask whether the member thinks he should be able to receive both pensions.

I was under the impression that, under an old scheme, back in your time, if you did 20 years in the defense force, you got a pension. Correct me if I am wrong. The gold card, however, is very different. I have edited this post after reading a post from another member. If you are receiving a military pension (I thought you were not) do you feel you are entitled to both pensions, the military pension and the aged pension?

I'm thinking it could be less than 2 years, if one was to create the appearance of being "domiciled" in Australia.

You have contradicted yourself. You have said 2 years prior to fly out soon after being granted. Now you are saying fly back "anytime" but you can't leave with portability for 2 years after, which we all know, if that's the case. one may as well fly back the day before their pension birthday. I would find this strange as well. Once again, after being outside Australia for some years, how long would Centerlink think acceptable, after producing some documents, to BS them about one's "intention" of remaining in Australia? We have always discussed the 2 years after the pension birthday. What about how long before the pension birthday to fly out immediately after being granted?

Yes, we all know this. Many expats have gone home and done the 2 years, BS'ing Centerlink that they have the "intention" of remaining in Australia. Well discussed on this forum in the past. What I am getting at is, what about prior to turning pension age? Could one go back to Australia, rent a little 1 bedroom unit somewhere, get the electricity / gas connected, maybe buy a cheap secondhand car, join the local bowlo etc etc, and BS Centerlink with these documents to only have to do 6 months to achieve portability, immediately on their pension birthday? Or, is there a define amount of time, like the 2 years, one must return to Australia BEFORE pension age, or could one BS their way with the above appearance of their "intention" to remain in Australia? As mentioned, 6 months before is a lot easier than 2 years after. Is it possible?

Yes, that was what I was referring to. The 35 years aside, as someone could have started working at 16, we have one member posting you can go back to Australia, and just be inside Australia at pension age, apply, and go. I found this surprising, if it's the case. You are posting one should go back to Australia 2 years before pension age, apply, so can fly straight out with portability. Other members are also saying different things. Does anyone actually know the answer? I used the 20 years as example, but it could be 15, 10, or even 5 years outside of Australia before pension age. How long must you be inside Australia before pension age, to apply on the day, be granted, and fly out with portability. I was thinking 6 months to re-establish residency, mainly because one could provide a 6 month lease on a property as documentary evidence of their "intention" to continue to reside in Australia. If so, 6 month prior would be a lot better than 2 years after for portability. You can see what I am getting at.

Go one further and set the DNS in the router. Cloudflare is ok. 1.1.1.1. It's reported as being the fastest.

They restrict the trade of the baht to artificially inflate its value.

You are 3rd Place on the posters list for this thread. You have posted 136 posts on this thread. Enjoy your holiday, I'm sure the rest of us will enjoy your holiday from the thread as well.

The issue is now at a point that we are either waiting for another government announcement, or, the 1st January 2025 to arrive. Opinions, views, speculation, predictions, facts, quotes, links, laws, youtube etc etc have all been posted. It's now in a holding a pattern. Time will tell.

Thanks. I enjoy reading all posts, from everyone. I am always happy to agree to disagree, but when some get nasty, I'm also happy to engage. As I said, I have never reported a post, ever, and never will, and some members take advantage of that admission. Free speech is important. Why shut it down, just because it differs from one's point of view? Websites like this should be viewed as collaboration, rather than "I'm right and you are wrong" which defeats the purpose, and causes conflict. Let's all keep posting with our experience, knowledge, opinions etc, and continue to discuss, rather than taking things personally. Thailand is an unstable country. Anything can happen at any time, even a military coup. The way it is today may not be the way it is tomorrow here. What surprises me is when there is any change, it's shoot the messenger, call it scaremongering, report the post and get it deleted, rather than consider the change may actually be happening, and discuss it and deal with it. I remember one member arguing that cannabis would NEVER be legalized in Thailand, even after it was legalized. Go figure.

Ohhhh, but everyone laughed, and those that didn't laugh reported my post as scaremongering. Now, you have a Mod posting the very question can / will an expat's tax liability be attached to their visa / extension / passport. What a different a few months make. Correct. So why was it viewed as scaremongering, or humorous? I hear you, but many are suggesting it's Rocket Science for Thailand, despite the fact Thailand has their retirement visa / extension / drivers license / TM 30, Certificate of Residence etc etc well oiled for foreigners. What's one more piece of paper needed, at a cost, of course? No, surely it can't be. Thailand would never do such a thing. All the expats would leave. Right? The psychology behind many posts is interesting. Fear of change comes through in many posts, but it's inevitable. We all love our mobile phones, but it's unthinkable that government data bases with millions of more computing power could ever match up immigration and taxation data bases. That's just not possible, right? As I have said, many are asking, "Why would they do it" when they should be asking "why wouldn't they do it?" Answer is, MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.

Great question. I wished I asked it myself. But Will27 posted the question has been answered, twice. What is one to believe? That's a given, of course. There can be no portability without a pension, right? Before, or after, their birthday, thus, their application date? You do not mention an arrival date back to Australia BEFORE their birthday and application date. We know this. We know this also. I don't want to twist / challenge / disagree with anything. I want to know if someone has been outside of Australia for say 20 years, how many years / months do they have to return to Australia BEFORE their qualifying birthday for the pension, so they can fly straight out with portability. I really can't make the question more simple. Do you know the answer? Yes, or no? It's important because we have a member suggesting you just have to be inside Australia at the time of applying, which I found surprising.

I'll make it simple for you. Say one goes back to Australia 6 months before their birthday and apply on the day, do they have to stay 18 months after they are granted the pension, or still stall 2 years afterward for portability? I can give many other scenarios buy months, but do YOU see the point I am trying to make? Sure, return just over 2 years before your birthday and application date, apply, granted, and fly out with portability. I get that, but that's not the question I am asking, is it?

I think it was so big, it was deemed a suicide.

Proves my point then, doesn't it? Exactly, and well said, yet there are sooooooooo many that seem to think all of this will just disappear, like magic. Now, who was it that suggested some time ago we MAY see a TRD desk at boarders one day, in the same way we see a overstay desks? Oh, yeah, that's right, it was me, and everyone ridiculed me for posting it, and reported it as scaremongering, and had the posts deleted. Of course, no mention that's it's been happening for decades for overstay fines, but it could NEVER happen for tax collection purposes, could it?

Still does. Keep reading. I post good content.