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A thai judge told my friend in an accident summary that he was not at fault with , If you were not in Thailand the accident would not of Happened.

So was there not a curfew in place that all Bars had to be shut at twelve ???

I see that in Chiang Mai (thaksin territory) it is enforced.

So are not the Thai Ploice and Jaunta guilty of letting these bars stay open till all hours of the morning and just the recent death of the young man on Koh Tao a few days ago , when the bars were doing trade at early hours of the morning.

people obviously out of there faces able to be supplied with drugs and cocktails until they pass out, never drug tested by police, you might say what policeman would be brave enough to do this.

Does not our society/police, drug test people and refuse to serve them if thet look out of it, the person serving can be prosecuted as well as the bar.

Are the Thai police taking bribes to let them stay open so that Mon and all the other Mafia can sell there dope and cocktails, or do they have special exemption, I know bar owners that happily are paying police to stay open as most of us do.

So if this is the case these deaths would not have occured as they would not have been in the bars late at night, so then why arn't the Police resposible for enforcing this restriction sacked or prosecuted.

I think that if the police were doing there jobs these deaths would never have occured and some Police heads need to roll.

She also wrote she had been threatened, chased, and offered bribes by Thais.

So she writes - now show us the proof of your accusations as you will need it if they do decide to press charges.

I assume that she must have proof of the 'chasing' element that she writes about, unless they sent someone to the UK to run after her!!

I'm afraid, that as far as I'm concerned she is telling porkies. Unless someone has been ringing her with threats or offers of money (which seems very unlikely) then any correspondence between the Thai authorities and her must have been carried out by 'words on paper' or electronically. Both of which she should be able to produce as evidence to fight her case should she be unluckily enough for them to follow through on their actions to sue her!!

Has Andy been in touch to act on her behalf, I wonder - probably not I would guess, as he has a few issues of his own to fight against!! For his sake, I hope that he employs a more capable defence team in his battles than those that botched the KT case so catastrophically.

What are you on about?

How would she provide "evidence" for all she said?

Pictures from her dashboard- camera to prove the chase?

You really think, someone in Thailand gave her an official "bribe note"?

What has Andy Hall to do with this?

He is defense lawyer- she is basically on the opposite side!

You have been very happy with a death sentence, based on nothing but hearsay, but now you want evidence?

I could tell you what I think of you, but I like my posting rights!

11 might be on something not onto something....

I think this is a threat, and a stupid one, and to the stupid shiils on this site in answer to why she did not speak out on Killagains Island, ask yourself if you would be the big hero at the time, personaly I would wait as well and then attack using all media support along with a severe shame on you British government stance.

They probably have had a good education about this mafia controlled childrens playground since the case and would have been under intense stress at the time.

Good work Laura.

Well I find it perfectly normal to hold accountable a person who throws bulk accusations without any evidence to substantiate them.

Obviously we understand that her knowledge of the world has not exceeded the limits of his village as evidenced her complete misunderstanding of the remark stating that his sister would return in 30 days. The person who was speaking wanted to comfort her but one might think that the reincarnation of Buddhists subtleties not yet reached Norwich...

She is sister of the victim. This status confers she in the moment the opportunity to speak publicly is to be heard. So we listen politely but we are entitled ask to explain on behalf of persons or institutions it has unjustly blamed.

Your not serious are you...she has every right to say what she did...I'm sure 100% she's a honest girl and I have the utmost respect for her... She said what happened and I for one believe her..It would stack up with everything else that went on in the trial...Let the Thai Police prove what she said isn't true..She's in the UK now...our rules..do one RTP...

He is serious sadly some are blinded by the light.

Without any evidence, she is the evidence and I believe every word she's said, but some still live in the dark ages in LOS.

I say let them bring it on it will be helpfull to the B2, good on you Laura.

Surely for Thai public consumption, promoting the idea that the powers that be in Thailand have reach beyond their borders (in other words, fooling the slaves into thinking their masters have any real power).

I doubt he/they really believe they can achieve anything beyond passing some motion that if she ever goes to The Land Of Corruption they'd get her then.

Again, I say the British government needs to stand up for its citizens and warn them before going to that backwards and morally bankrupt country. This is salt in the wound for any British family who suffered when Thailand killed their family members.

What more proof do people need that Thailand does not respect its guests and needs boycotting?

Nearly all guests in Thailand have only positive things to think about the place until the Thais damage their own reputation by abusing people they should be taking care of. That is the bottom line: Thais have damaged their reputation and they deserve nothing less than to be openly held responsible and not be allowed to abuse the citizens of other countries.

Thailand, shame on you.

British government, shame on you even more.

You would think that this family have suffered enough and therefore earned the right to speak openly and voice their opinion in their own country wouldn't you?

I think they have suffered enough, however maybe they can't sleep at night knowing that two alleged scapegoats and innocent boys will die for them not speaking out.

I would not feel very well for the rest of my life if it was my situation and two innocents might be on my conscience, they have mothers and families as well.

if they would just stop beeing idiots and let that story rest they would do their country a much better service that now.

That they now investigate the sister did already make news in europe and to avoid that should be more important that saving face by some investigation of a person that will never visit thailand again !

I think they should investigate as this will bring more exposure to her story and amplifie how bungled the investigation was and maybe embarress themselves into arresting the real perps.

I think the post "feathers ruffled ' correct Id say very ruffled, the puppets are on the world stage now.

Was this case not dismissed?

www.thaivisa.com/.../856787-criminal-case-against-finnwatch-researcher- andy-hall-dismissed-again/

news.thaivisa.com/thailand/criminal-case...andy-hall.../114721/

So far, Andy has kept winning in court. However, the strategy seems to be to keep filing cases until they can make one stick.

They dismissed Laura Millers statement, they want to crucify a human rights man, they warn the press and foriegn journos about what they say, they have been involved in human trafficking and mistreating Burmese workers and they conduct circus court case's with the B2.

Just about every time you read the BK post there is a corruption case involving government contracts.

They have no Shame.They will not loose face and they don,t know how to save face by cleaning up the act, an impossible task I think.

what a sad way to die.

such bad luck.

more needs to be done about violent idiots.

Idiots with guns, Thais should not be allowed to own guns. applies to other countries as well USA in particular.

I completely disregard anything on Facebook as a means of disseminating information. If it is a recorded message or written evidence then that should be checked out. Facebook or Twitter are childish platforms as far as I'm concerned and so I am going to ignore anything to do with them.

I like hard facts, and not innuendo and figments of people's imagination!!

I stick with the Miller's take on events as I think that they have it spot on regards what happened and who the real perpetrators are.

If you like HARD facts you must have struggled with what the prosecution presented to the micky mouse court case ?.....Or did you have your blinkers on?

I thought the prosecution was , Huey, Dewy, and Lewy and the judge was Micky Mouse.....

There are some posters who are shills, shills put negative and rediculous posts on most blog sites.

I thought Laurs's post was quite outstanding in the way it was worded.

It has been published in many news outlets worldwide, I do not doubt her one bit as most know that the B2 case is a littany of lies.

She is not the only one who recieved death threats in this case ( watch you tube anonymous Koh Tao murders very proffesionaly put together).I do not blame her for being scarred , I don't think she would venture here, I certainly would not unless acompanied by a British diplomatic squad.

There will be no help from Authorites in Britain, diplomatic relations are more important to them than a few human lives, they don't care if the B2 rot in hell.

I hope she continues her stance, I don't think she is endangered on the basis that if anything did happen Thailands tourism would be in major jepody.

I think the Bangkok post is now under more censorship as it has printed nothing about Luke MIller or Laura, Im dissappointed as they usually cover most things quite well.

I think they have been warned over the statue fiasco, and foriegn journo's have been told to watch what they say,and no wonder she took the post down she may have left herself open to prosecution in this country.

She would also probably be under attack from the brain dead shills .

Thailand will just ignore this and let it all blow over ,very sad.

I always had faith that someone would not be blind, laura you are now aresome!!

In the meantime can someone give me an answer as to why that whole part about those insensitive comments from the RTP has been deleted from her original facebook posting?

Why don't you ask her instead of asking strangers to speculate over and over?

You disappoint me, normally you are always so observant. Half of the posts on this thread are about those comments that the RTP had supposedly made in court. And all reports in the UK media are based on Laura's facebook posting (and indeed that one reply to a comment that I had overlooked). The Guardian tried to make a nice spin that Hannah believed that the B2 could not have done it as the threats she received came from Thais.

I believe that she is being advised what to post and what not to post. I see a conspiracy at work here and I have an idea of who these advisers are. Hint: females.

Over to you.

So according to you...

The sister of a murdered victim in a completely bungled investigation where evidence has been compromised from day 1 with a shoddily roped off crime scene, 'suspects' beaten into a false confession on very flimsily charges, missing, withheld or 'used up' evidence presented in an 'unbiased' court (I am naming just a few things here, I could go on) is complicit in a 'conspiracy',

The truth of the matter is, according to you and your glee club. Is that the very professional Thai polce handled this investigation by the book. Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo just got uber horny one day and the two of them, alone, committed this henious crime. Everything in court was professional and above board. The Koh Tao mafia threatening various people (including translators for media outlets) is just some unexplainable side effect.

It is clear that I am replying to a professional troll. Others I think are on some sort of payroll. But I think you are just doing it for the 'kicks'.

I think they are called Shiils, sadly they infect this site and all freedom of speech forums.

laura dont be put off stand strong!!!!

I just checked my email and a message from Maria Miller is there via facebook, I sent her a message on facebook as many of you here are saying that her posts are a troll.

It is her and she just wants answers and justice.

She is also cautious about contacting TV members as she feels that there may be some on this site that may not be trustworthy.

I do not have her email nor does she have mine and I wish her the best of luck and my sincere condolences .

That's not quite right..only a couple have actually said that, and a few have asked for some sort of verification which you can understand. As far as I'm concerned Islandlover vouched for her and that will do me...but her case hasn't been helped as she only came on here basically,once with a statement and then nothing more...so,it's easy to see why some would be wary...did she give anymore information etc as there's been no news which is a bit strange when you consider the usual methods of RTP. Something doesn't sit right about Luke Millers death for sure..

I didn't ask her just wished her luck the BK post is silent on this case, have not read todays issue but that alone is a worry.

No the time gap from 5-30 to 7-30 is probably the key to this and whoever was with him .

I hope the truth comes out someone knows something.

I thank Laura Witheridge for speaking out finaly, I think that will rattle a few heads, hope the BK post starts reporting on this or maybe thay are told to shut up.

All posters should watch the You Tube anonymous account of the deaths on Koh Tao very well put together.

I just checked my email and a message from Maria Miller is there via facebook, I sent her a message on facebook as many of you here are saying that her posts are a troll.

It is her and she just wants answers and justice.

She is also cautious about contacting TV members as she feels that there may be some on this site that may not be trustworthy.

I do not have her email nor does she have mine and I wish her the best of luck and my sincere condolences .

Sorry to say that Michael Miller has been exposed as a pompish git, then maybe he is scarred and wants to wash his hands of all this and protect mummie and Daddy.

I think he should man up a bit, why let 2 innocent scapegoats die and Mon and his gang run free.

Thailand knows no shame, but it now has the BBC and worldwide media embarasment thanks to a Brave Witheridge girl.

I hope that the Luke Miller case recieves justice and the truth comes out, if this was murder then some serious clean up work is needed in LOS, this can,t go on.

The families that run thesee islands are making fortunes from drug peddling and selling cocktails to tourists, and worse now they have immunity to any investigative process or prosecution.

enlightening new statement from witheridge family on koh tao murder.

http://www.andrew-drummond.com/2016/01/witheridge-family-breaks-silence-on-koh.html

Neither enlightening nor new but it will be removed from here very soon. What's it got to do with the drowning anyway?

It's not your right..and as for what is it doing here, attempts have been made to,open a dedicated thread and it's been closed straight away...not sure why ?

Interesting article,obvious that millers brother does not have the same feelings, she spoke well and it is related to Luke Miller as she mentions this.

so I hope they stand up for the B2 but seems they might be afraid to come near LOS again.

Until it's verified as being genuine, the poster called Maria Miller should be ignored as being a troll.

I am pleased that someone else has taken a similar view. I also found it unusual that this person, who purports to be the sister of the deceased, writes in such an inflammatory manner, thus giving rise to more and more hate posts, speculation and further criticism of the police and has elected to do so on an annoymous forum. I see this person was asked to put their details on their FB page but declined to do so as the family is grieving. The reason provided for not doing so I find paltry to say the least, as they took time to raise it on TVF, yet some have appeared to accept that reasoning. I can't, seeing that they have elected to use this type of carriage service for the specific purpose of what I believe is to inflame the situation as it would be a given for it to reach more readers than they'd get if it was on FB.

Firstly, what does this person hope to achieve through this forum, all I can see is that it is greating more hysteria, with people dreaming up all sorts of conclusions. murder, conspiracies, the involvement of the so called Island mafia, various assaults, being bashed and thrown into a pool, the list goes on, I won't expand because it is there for all to see. As for them declining to list the details on FB, I find unusual to say the least, as if they were to acknowledge their bona fides in this manner, then maybe one could find that the post is genuine but then again people are able to put up fake FB pages, aren't they? At this time, I am with you on the troll situation.

So this person gives out a email address, so what, proves absolutely nothing, does not substantiate for one minute that they are who they say they are. Anyone can have numerous email addresses but because they say this is who they it is being accepted by many. After having read numerous past posts, mainly from those people who want to denegrate Thailand, its people, the police, the laws, it strikes me as bearing a similar hate stirring message with multiple allegations of suspicion and wrong doings.

For many posters to go into overdrive and posting their infantile guesses, rumours and innuendos and giving out sympathic messages not knowing who they are dealing with just shows how gullible some can be. If I am criticised for being callous, then so be it but until this person can prove who they are and that they are the real deal, I cannot accept that in such a time of grief, that some one would come onto an anonymous forum, with what I believe is an attempt to inflame an already worsening situation. If I am proved to be wrong then I will be the first to appologise.

One other matter also caught my eye in this person's response to a poster, who initially advised that they should contact Jonathan Head. Now, I do not know if it was a Fraudian Slip but they referred to him as Richard Head. We all know what this means in the terms of general slang. May mean nothing but there is a huge difference between the two christian names.

I agree. It seems very odd (co-incidental) indeed that a grieving relative suddenly appears on TV, also full of accusations of wrongdoing and subterfuge.... Not really the first place someone would think to come for information in such a situation, or to raise awareness of any perceived miscarriage of justice - and to be fair that process has not even begun yet.

Also very odd that the posts made in the name of Maria Miller from the IoW were made between 3.00 and 3.30am in the morning GMT...... A time when people are more likely to be awake either in the US or, dare I say it, Thailand. I appreciate that in itself is not conclusive, but does add further cause for suspicion

I see another poster is now claiming that Maria Miller has been contacted and is genuine. Whilst I have no doubt that it would be possible to contact Maria through her FB page - as quite clearly that is a genuine profile, I still do not accept that any post's made here under that name originated from her. As has already been stated there was ample opportunity for her to verify herself in an open and transparent way by simply posting an innocuous message on her FB page - surely something that someone genuinely (misguidedly) seeking assistance here (for what it would be worth) would have been only to happy to do.

She has made a post from her facebook page to the Sunset facebook page, so is that been done by a sicko hacker or maybe it's for real, certainly suspicious BK post did not run a story as yet and security guards never saw Luke in the pool or on the premises at 5.30.

Considering he did not stay there and its a pool bar then he must have just slipped back in, in cloaking mode somewhere between 5.30 and 7.30 , Hallucinating of course that the party was still raging and climbed up onto the roof and dived head first int a 4 foot deep pool.

Where is the rest of the CCTV footage showing the scurity guards check and the subsequent 2 hours in which the invisable man dived.

Im afraid I go with the murder camp here.

1. Body found floating in water

2. Head injuries

3. Scratches to face

4. Happened during the night

5. Koh Tao

6. Surname - Miller

7. No witnesses

So nothing at all suspicious then!

8 the iron on the roof was bent down, It was bent down before the death I downloaed a pic from b4 this happened and was like that long time.

9 the pace was packed one hour b4 sunset, but the owners of the bar saw nothing and failed to see him still there b4 they locked up.

10 Police kept the release of any information quiet and still quiet.

Why would you climb up and jump into a pool when everyone has gone, who do you impress? yourself.

Maris Miller has posted from facebook onto the Sunset bars face book page, read it yesterday saying things don't add up and suspects he was murdered, it's pretty hard to do that if she isn,t Maria Miller.

The Sunset bar does have barbed wire on the roof of the DJ booth next to the pool, presumably to stop people climbing up there. Look at their facebook pics. If you want to jump in the pool, why don't you do it from the diving board, which is just below the booth?

Why would you dive into this pool? it's not deep enough, the bar owners should be prosecuted for even having a spring board there.

and why dive into the pool by yourself alone??

Also pic shows that the iron was already bent down. Police have supposedly said bent iron caused by him standing on it

Can anyone find a report in the Bangkok Post??

Interesting is that the alleged Maria Miller has posted that no CCTV footage was available from Sunset Bar, however Khaosod English has said Police Lt Col Napha Senathip has told him that CCTV fottage recovered indicates Luke was drunk and that further investigation of CCTV footage was being investigated.

I would like to know where this CCTV footage has been recovered from ???

Nothing I can find in BK Post today anyone read anything???

So much wrong with this story i dont know where to start.

So if someone just calls the police and says you are displaying drug behaviour, your home/room can be searched?

Disgusting.

Maybe, some pimp sold them a dumby bag and then dobbed them in hoping that police would not notice, then keeping the real deal for themselves

1. Body found floating in water

2. Head injuries

3. Scratches to face

4. Happened during the night

5. Koh Tao

6. Surname - Miller

7. No witnesses

So nothing at all suspicious then!

8 the iron on the roof was bent down, It was bent down before the death I downloaed a pic from b4 this happened and was like that long time.

Does anyone know who owners of susnset bar are, any family link to alleged family in B2 case??

Sunset facebook site is interesting, Maria Miller has posted on the site , she seems adament that it's foul play , I tend to go along with her.

The place was packed one hour before sunset, the owners dont know what happened ??? where they asleep??

This is very suspicious the absence of wittnesses is getting harder to swallow.

some posters on the site are arguing, someone must have seen something and I think the owners must be deaf and dumb at the least to have not seen a thing.

After the events on koh Tao over the last couple of years or so, when an event like this occurs, it is sad to note how everyone, the media, the general public etc. immediately wait to see what the police are going to say on the matter. This is surely an indicator of the low esteem the local police are now held in the eyes of the public.

basically they have lost any credibility and respect that they may have had. there needs to be a complete shake-up/down from top to bottom.

I fail to see that if this was the pool, and it is a bar pool that no one else was there when he jumped, Plausable but seems unlikely I believe that there is much more to surface in this case, one of the most obvious one,s would be a motive if foul play was involved, no wittness no motive, Police did not reveal any detail in the first media releases, very very suspicious.

I would also like to know who owns the bar??? anyone throw light on that??

Aparently no CCTV footage available as Maria Millier posted either wiped or cameras were not in use.

If this was the location then did the owners just turn the lights out leaving him there and go home.unoticed.

Interesting , there is a picture on Sunset pool and beach bar clearly showing that the iron is bent down at the front so has been like that a long time.

And from the web sites pictures I find it almost impossible to believe that he could have been alone there as it,s a party animal bar, so again where were the owners??? Oh they did not notice a falaang was still outside so locked up and went home, then this man hallucinating that the party was still raging decided to climb up on the roof and jump into a pool that looks only 4 foot deep.