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After the events on koh Tao over the last couple of years or so, when an event like this occurs, it is sad to note how everyone, the media, the general public etc. immediately wait to see what the police are going to say on the matter. This is surely an indicator of the low esteem the local police are now held in the eyes of the public.

basically they have lost any credibility and respect that they may have had. there needs to be a complete shake-up/down from top to bottom.

I fail to see that if this was the pool, and it is a bar pool that no one else was there when he jumped, Plausable but seems unlikely I believe that there is much more to surface in this case, one of the most obvious one,s would be a motive if foul play was involved, no wittness no motive, Police did not reveal any detail in the first media releases, very very suspicious.

I would also like to know who owns the bar??? anyone throw light on that??

Aparently no CCTV footage available as Maria Millier posted either wiped or cameras were not in use.

If this was the location then did the owners just turn the lights out leaving him there and go home.unoticed.

Interesting , there is a picture on Sunset pool and beach bar clearly showing that the iron is bent down at the front so has been like that a long time.

And from the web sites pictures I find it almost impossible to believe that he could have been alone there as it,s a party animal bar, so again where were the owners??? Oh they did not notice a falaang was still outside so locked up and went home, then this man hallucinating that the party was still raging decided to climb up on the roof and jump into a pool that looks only 4 foot deep.

maria miller, on 09 Jan 2016 - 17:12, said:

This is my little brother luke that you're all talking about, an amazing brother, uncle, son and friend to so so many. Yes, he was a joker and yes he lived life to the full. . However, this wasn't an accident and believe me, I really wish it was. There are so many inconsistencies it's unbelievable. The police are trying to cover up so many things. First off, he wasn't even found in the complex where he was staying. There was no ccTV at the sunset bar it was conveniently not switched on or it was wiped. If he wasn't found until the next morning where the hell was everyone when this "accident" happened? How come no one heard or saw anything? Where the hell did his bruises come from? Especially the ones found on his arms. . We will get justice for you baby brother, I promise I will do whatever I can. Love you millions my darling baby brother. Xxxxx

If this is genuine please can you put the same on your Facebook page

I cant put the above on fb as some family members arent taking it so well. We are getting in contact with richard head as advised. Waiting for police report due on monday. Any other useful info then please let me know via email. <<<<Email removed>>>>

....So very very sorry Maria for your tragic loss.

islandlover I suggest u PM Maria on Facebook.........Go through him Maria, he was and still is supporting justice for the B2 all the way. Others contacting you on here may not be so trustworthy.

Very sorry for your tragic loss, just looked on FB and nothing about this, best maybe to contact British media,if what your saying is correct then stand fast, NZ parents took this stance with Thai Police over their sons murder in Pattaya and demanded investigation that revealed the killer (who was walking scott free) and the motives ,stay strong and I hope the truth and Justice will prevail, best wishes to you.

It's happened before and it will happen again.

83 isn't a bad innings but there's more pleasant ways to depart.

It hapened to a Brit in Hua Hin a few years ago the poor man did not have long to go with terminal cancer but his wife of a considerate amount of (cant remember exactly how many years) had he Thai BF kill him as could not wait for a few more weeks to get hands on the loot.

My condolences, She said Sunset Bar, no cctv footage , and where was everyone when this happened? I just posted that point above very suspicious that you climb up onto a roof to dive into a pool which is not at the complex you were staying at and jump alone very very suspicious.

Bruises on the arms, is that no sign of a struggle???

If Maria's post is ver batim then the international media needs to be brought up to speed and the family need to pressure the police and government.

I guess that whoever was with him at Sunset bar--- his friends?? may throw some light on this.

Suspicion also that when his death was first reported that no details were released, maybe cleanup time, but of course I base this only on what Maria is meant to have said.

Head injury plus cuts to the face. Is there positive evidence he climbed onto the booth and jumped? If not could be injuries suffered in an assault.

Usually with this type of hooning, like climbing onto things and jumping into pools is not done alone, who would you be trying to impress or have fun with going solo.

So, who was with him when this happened, the absence of anyone being present is suspicious.

2 weeks ago, about 7 protesters were waving placards.....and the problem was already old.

Not exactly fast and decisive action by Jerry Brown.

Considering that Browns sister is on the board of companies involved with this spill , who make heavy donations to politicians it was quick..... ha ha.

Apparently he was put under pressure about this and only then declared a state of emergency, that was a few days ago, I thought they might have capped it by now ,it is a shocking envoromental dissaster spewing unbelievable amounts of toxins over the city and into waterways causing huge evacuations of some areas.

The company refused to compensate sufferers who wanted to buy air purifiers saying we will supply you with them, then not coming up with the goods.

Brown and co should be jailed.

Clearly what ever med he was on did not work,or maybe he was protesting rejection.

come on, you have to be joking, whiteness does nothing for me at all, I much prefer my wifes natural skin colour. All this is, is a bullsh*t add to make the gullible thai women think it helps them get a husband and to buy these crap products. Skin colour makes no difference what so ever, it who the person is that counts, this appeals to those women that are self obsessed only, any with half a brain knows it is bullsh*t.

I think it's a chinese hangover into Thainess, there are many Thai men who like white skinned girls and women who believe this crap.

I wonder what the health price for rubbing this stuff on your body is, bet it is not very good for ones health.

Just googled medical info says It is not safe to use skin whitening creams on your own as you don't know what your getting, the label may say one thing but content may not what is said.

Useing a cream from a dermatologist then you know you can trust the label, but in LOS ???

So we just need to tell our wives to answer the phone as "Sabaidee #1938489503 hotel waaaalcam" when we come back from a visa run?

Presumably (I hope!), expats are excluded from this new (still-to-be-confirmed) rule.

So we expats are not Westerners. I have no doubt all non-Thais will be asked for address confirmation in Thailand, or maybe this is a new Immigration scam.

No, they asked me for address in Thailand on 90 day renewal at Tachilek border, caught me out as did not know house Number in Soi so made number up and let me go but did not look happy.

Next time I went through gave correct Number and they did not flinch.

They could get difficult if they wanted to so beware if doing a border renewal to take a rental agrrement or house book copy just in case you get one who will enforce this rule.

Will this be a drug OD? who knows what went on very suspicious due to lack of any detail.

Maybe police are wary about releasing detail , some one must have been with him, again we don't know nothing yet.

Burmese beware, better that you all leave Koh Tao.

VICTIM OF IMMIGRANT WORKER INFLUX

This is a very big problem. In 2009 I returned to the UK intending to resume farm work to support my 3 young children. I am a professional, college trained and with broad practical experience.

I applied for over 100 jobs without getting a single interview. Farmers who I had worked for previously, and had a good relationship, were now employing East Europeans on low salaries. There are thousands of these people working in UK Agriculture, adversely affecting opportunities for locals.

Would you buy a used car from Cameron? look at his body language in the pic, who does he think he's fooling??

What's the unemployment rate in the UK?

In NZ unemployment a huge problem , but they keep importing migrants and many seasonal workers who work for low wages.

The government also brought in Phillipinos to help the Christchurch rebuild and gave them citizenship in return they worked for low wages, making construction companies more wealthy.

This disease is world wide,I think it's called greedy corporates and political puppets who thrive on donations to campaign for their own cause.

May have been a practice run before using the real vest.

If the shoe fits wear it , Turkey is run by this corrupt family. I hope they are stupid enough to shoot down another Russian plane

Backed by the Saudi's , USA, and oil sales that don't exist, training ISIS recruits that does not happen because we call them fighters against the ASSAD regime which also does not exist.

Another thing that also does not exist is the multi billion dollar arms contracts to Saudi that supports ISIS.

Turkey one place that will never be on my bucket list, infact the whole middle East is not on most sane peoples bucket list these days.

Corruption these days has never been so rife, the world is a mad house and it looks like it will only get worse.

The Saudi's (usa) to negotiate with Iraq (USA) sounds fair.

If it makes wine cheaper I won't be complaining.

I would like to see the list of items included and excluded, might open the gates for wine imports.

"Two of the arrested suspects, Prateep Soisap and Sangvarn Sarsanae used to be charged with attempted murder ................"

????

I wonder where the assault rifles were coming from , army or police ???

Transport Ministry to phase out double-deckers claiming that they are unsafe and vulnerable to road accidents.

Has anybody else seen the rebuilt,previous rolled double deckers? they don't scrap much in Thailand!

It would be nice to see vehicle testing stations in Thailand that vehicles would have to go through every six months for a warrant of fittness.

Buses should be checked more than that.

I have been through the government rego testing station where they only check the VI N number even though they have capacity to check brakes and underneath vehicle for faults.

I don't know how much mechanical failure is involved in accident stats but I would bet my house that loonatic drivers are more to blame by a long shot in all vehicle types of accidents.

There is NO way a Thai would let a Burmese migrant drive a 3 million baht yacht.

EVER.

The driver, in PInk Shirt looks very intelligent, the poor Burmese lad probably did not know , however the Captain is responsible for his crew, and is negligent in not keeping a lookout.

He is therefore most likely guilty of man slaughter.

instead of trawling through facebook and pursuing people who click 'like' the police should be concentrating their IT resources fighting crimes such as the one highlighted here, and not relying on foreigners to do the work for them.

It just goes to show you that big brother is watching you, in this case if perp then somnum na.

These people often have a so called normal relationship going on as a cover for perversion, they are usually psycopaths and very smart not that many get caught as they are great at coniving and b sheet.

Well Udomdej himself did say that kickbacks were demanded, then returned, then given back to the army as 'donations'.

The demanding of kickbacks by a still unnamed amulet trader sounds very much like corruption to me at least. Nobody is buying these BS denials. This'll blow over as soon as another scandal comes along. I give it weeks

I have read the BK post for the last 15 years and every issue has an article about corruption with government contracts or othe things, and the trnsfering of police to other posts.

It is embedded into this country and most other asian countries, however saying that where would you find any country these days that isn't corrupt.

This is only minor compared to what the good old USA is doing in the arms bussiness.

Maritime law, the captain is responsible for his ship/boat, In this case I don't know what Thai/ maritime laws are used inside the coastal limit, however if this happened in other countries the captain would be held responsible and the tour company as well.

The tour companies license should be immediately suspended and after a proper investigation they may loose license or be heavily fined.

I wonder just who was at the wheel???

If I were a Burmese worker here I would be packing bags and going home.

All tourists diving or snorkling should be warned by travel agents or upon entering LOS that you risk your life going on one of these adventures, not only from the dive operators but the mad boat and Jet Ski drivers as well.

I am sure that the police will come to this conclusion = it was the Burmese crewman who was sailing, and not the Thai Captain.........

They may require some help in coming to that conclusion.

Speeding and drunken driving, for Gods sake lower the speed limit, 120 km per hour some roads is to fast for these clowns.

Nz lowers the limit on holidays from 100kmp down to 90 kmp with zero or sometime a 5kmp tolerance and in suburbs from 50 down to 40 kmp, this combined with cops everywhere with speed cameras and high fines plus random alcohol testing all over the country has dramatically reduced the holiday Rd Toll.

Random testing all year + vehicle confiscation is common practice as well.

There's a speed limit?

Yeh, right, needs a speed limit that is enforced most thais take no notice of speed limits and you don't see police enforcing speed limits either.

Speeding and drunken driving, for Gods sake lower the speed limit, 120 km per hour some roads is to fast for these clowns.

Nz lowers the limit on holidays from 100kmp down to 90 kmp with zero or sometime a 5kmp tolerance and in suburbs from 50 down to 40 kmp, this combined with cops everywhere with speed cameras and high fines plus random alcohol testing all over the country has dramatically reduced the holiday Rd Toll.

Random testing all year + vehicle confiscation is common practice as well.

In my opinion, the main reasons for the Phuket property glut are:

1) Oversupply - they have built too many condo's / apartments / houses which will eventually effect the property market by lowering prices, or, properties sitting derelict and fall into disrepair..

2) Yes, people are "bailing out" of Phuket. There is a higher cost of living here, failing critical infrastructure, lack of good Governance, destruction of the environment, terrible traffic, rising crime, drug abuse, no public transport, more violence particularly gun crime, bureaucracy surrounding visas, corrupt officials and police, greedy Thai landlords etc - all now having an effect on the numbers, and baht, on Phuket.

3) The Chinese are the majority of tourists to Phuket now. They will not buy property / bars / cafes / restaurants and take a Thai bar girl for their wife, as did westerners, just a few years ago, so, there are less potential buyers of everything on Phuket to advertise and market to. The Chinese will not buy a property to holiday in or retire to, on Phuket.

4) The collapse of the Russian Ruble due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and subsequent sanctions. This decimated the Russian market.

5) Aging expat population. The old timers are passing on and not being replaced by the next generation of retiring western expats on Phuket.

Well said, however I think this trend is also happening all over Thailand, maybe more so in Phuket.

Lots of expats bailing out of Hua Hin and they also recieve less money than they paid for their houses.

Seems to me that there is also a property glut here as well , I see thousands of condos empty from Cha amm to Hua Hin and they are still building them.

Something has to crumble and property seems to be taking hits, then it would not want to be any dearer in my opinion.