bradiston

You could have found it out before coming. Not stupid, just careless.

Oh, you mean Kamala?

Avoiding is not a crime. Evading is. Ask Capone!

Ah, ok. Now I'm with you. Use a UK address. Next!

Agreed. The most massive benefit fraud is Universal Credit. I believe the figure was, a few years back, in the region of £17 billion. Not to encourage "fraud", but a few pensioners being economical with the truth as to their geographical whereabouts is hardly likely to cost HM gov more than a few 000 quid. One of the arguments they use to shoot down protests regarding the unfreezing of pensions is the potential cost to the exchequer, which they estimate would be way into the £ billions. So turning a blind eye to the odd oldie claiming a little bit more than the widow(er)'s mite would seem a much cheaper option. All this gets discussed endlessly on threads popping up every year on AN. One more for the archive!

Hold on. You've moved abroad. Somehow, the DWP has found this out. Your pension gets frozen. You moved back to the UK, or tell them you have? You have an address there that can forward their communications to you? I don't get your plan. Move out then pretend you haven't, or move out and pretend to move back? Or move out, move back, and quietly out again, leaving you back where you started.

I meant by "warnings", the warnings HM government gives in general about moving abroad, not warnings about possible illegalities. For instance, proper planning, health care, emergency funds, return trips, loved ones etc etc.

And no rise! I read the whole thread. If you leave again, your pension reverts to the very first payment amount, ie pre frozen, with no increases. And you have somewhere in the UK to stay for 6 months? Is the UK affordable? And the cost of the return flight? That alone will hardly be covered by any rise you'll see while back in the UK. Is it really worth it? Return flight to Philippines about 6,000 THB. Ring the DWP. Tell them you've moved there. Pay pension into Wise account. YMMV and I would expect you to spend at least 6 months there...I'm not advising breaking any laws. It's only a suggestion which probably won't be useful to many. Like tax avoidance for the rich. It's not tax evasion. There's a huge difference.

Well, it's there in black and white for all to see on the government's website. With warnings about moving abroad and the possible consequences. Ignorance is not a sin, nor a crime, but it won't get you off the hook.

Sure, use a UK address or whatever. Many do. None of my business. But I don't pay UK tax on account of having stopped work there and having left 9 years ago so it would look a bit odd if I used a UK address for the DWP.

What's not enforceable? You still have to provide an address. Oh you mean a charge of pension fraud is unenforceable? Sure, but why take the risk?

Meaning?

What, the famous "Made in China" iPhone, pride of America? Give me Android any day. And as for "Apple Intelligence"? 55555!

The UK pension is effectively frozen at the rate originally received by the pensioner, if the pensioner moves abroad and lives outside any one of the countries that has an agreement with DWP that includes increases. The list can be found on the DWP website, or on .gov.uk. Most EU countries are included, Philippines, and I believe Turkey are amongst those that are included, but see below: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/state-pensions-annual-increases-if-you-live-abroad/countries-where-we-pay-an-annual-increase-in-the-state-pension

Yeah, you could try proofing your posts. You do know how to do that, right?

"a while" not "awhile". TT old bean. For many years.

I know the risks. But if these guys pensions are frozen, or have been for god knows how many years,what choice is there? I do 6 months in and 6 months out of Thailand. 6 plus months in Philippines gives me my pension increases, 6 months minus a week or so gives me tax clearance in Thailand.

A dump thanks largely to colonialist Spain and the US, right? In any case, these beggars are hardly in a position to be choosers, are they?

The frozen pension policy has been around for about 70 years. You're just hijacking the conversation with anti US rhetoric.

Yes. Live in the Philippines. It's been said before a million times. These fools should have known about the freeze.

I hope she cuts you off for ever

Is this country a war zone, or what? Complete mayhem everywhere you look.

That's a joke right?

You used to be able to compare on their app, but I haven't used it for a long while.

As evinced by you and @JonnyF. What a pair! You see Trump as the saviour of western civilization. Even Putin wouldn't go that far. Trump is a boorish, uncultured oaf. He has no claims on western civilization. In fact, he has nothing to do with western civilization. Maybe it would be better if the US cut all ties with Europe. Seems we have nothing in common under a Trump administration.