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8 hours ago, connda said:

This is interesting.
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/274908377/study-finds-dna-contamination-in-pfizer-covid-19-vaccines

Keep digging in the trash, you're sure to find something to eat - eventually!

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Just watched a discussion between Sherri Tenpenny and Kate Shirirami. Both strongly state - as does Delores Cahill - that everyone who has had a 'hot' jab (as opposed to a placebo**) wiil have some serious health problem(s), within 5 years of having it.

 

** www.howbadismybatch.com

 

Interesting.

Brilliant. 3 of the most discredited scientists on the planet. When will those 3 meet again, in thunder, lightning or in rain?

16 hours ago, Airalee said:

I believe that the vaccinated will bear the brunt of it.  They seem to be the ones getting Covid over and over but certainly not doing anything to address their own health and take personal responsibility for it.  They’ll probably be the ones to get (even) fatter during the next lockdown, and as usual, will scream at others to get vaccinated!  so that they may carry on with their gluttonous pie hole stuffing lifestyles.

 

They’ll put their faith in “the science”, the government and other approved sources of information all the while parroting phrases that were never part of their vocabulary before…just like the non thinking NPCs that they are without an inkling of skepticism or introspection.
 

Then, just like they did before (and are still doing) in order gain a sense of power and relevance, they will attempt to dictate to others what they need to do and pound their keyboards with their sausage fingers telling everybody to “STAY INSIDE! WEAR A MASK! GET VACCINATED!”

 

And we will mock them.  Just like we are doing now.

 

 

"Vaxed people get so angry". And you just get virulent. Kind of ironic, don't you think?

22 minutes ago, SenorTashi said:

I didn't get any jabs, never wore a mask, I travelled a lot and I mingled with hundreds of thousands of unmasked, anti vaxxers.

Never got covid. Not even close. That didn't stop the pro lockdown people wishing death on me and my loved ones though.

I'll never forgive them or forget any of that.

 

I was quite happily going along with the whole covid story at first until I had a panic attack while wearing a mask one day.

When I explained online why I wasn't wearing one anymore, lots of my good friends turned against me and strangers started wishing death on me. That's what radicalised me. The angry idiots were the ones who made me determined to wind them up at every opportunity and on every platform.    

 

But I got bored of doing all that a long time ago because endlessly arguing with brainwashed people is pointless and tedious.

It works both ways you know.

Just now, Dan O said:

If you didnt follow the whole thread which appears obvious or chose not to, and want to jump in the middle and cherry pick 1 issue to comment on, thats on you. 

 

Then you try to deflect by throwing out the catch all  phrase that "I'm  woke" which is classic when people can't find a way to defend what they say and are called on it.

 

You then want to belittle me for use of what you consider inappropriate or derogatory terms for others while you do the same. A bit hypocritical don't you think. Get real dude. You don't like what I post you can scroll on by and not read or reply. 

Cherry pick? I've commented several times in this thread. I actually said my comment could be construed as woke, not yours. Belittle you? You mean comment on your derogatory attack on another commentator? Where did I do the same as you?

3 hours ago, Dan O said:

The only people that use the term "woke" are the ones that find themselves caught without a valid explanation when caught out so they deflect as your trying to do. 

 

As I wrote before go back and read all the comments and  replies involved and not try to jump into the middle and cherry pick something out of context of the whole conversation. If you cant do that then deal with the comments that come your way. 

Your first paragraph makes no sense. Caught out without a valid explanation, as you are? I don't follow.

You called somebody "thick" and when called to account, you suggest I reread what I've read so far to see how your personal attack and your use of the word is justified. Thanks, but no thanks. It's never justified.

5 hours ago, Dan O said:

Perhaps if you followed the thread with all the comments you would know what was written and to whom so maybe thick is correct

"Thick" is never correct. If you had children you'd know that. If you ever taught in a school you'd know that. Nor is "dumb". Elementary woke. You see, there is a point to it after all.

14 minutes ago, harryviking said:

🤣LOL! This guy must have consumed a lot of energy drinks or something even stronger!  😆

Yeah, for sure, Gangnam Style.

2 hours ago, thesetat said:

I suggest you have a sleep test done at the hospital. A few thousand baht for a room overnight and a couple thousand for the test. 

I will explain why. 

For a couple years I would wake up in the middle of the night and be unable to sleep for another hour or 2. I thought maybe noises or needing to go to the toilet was the reason. I mentioned it to my doctor and they began testing me for the reasons. I tried sleeping pills and tried antihistamines and even tried CPAP machines that push air into my mouth while I sleep but nothing changed. Finally, I agreed to a sleep test in the hospital. It turned out that my breathing would stop many times an hour and that would wake me up. They call it sleep apnea. 

X Rays showed I had blockage in my nose and throat. 

I just recently had surgery to clear the blockage in my nose and throat. Prior to the surgery they tried to get a camera inside through my nose. They were unable to do so and later told me that my airway was blocked 80%. I never thought this could have happened. I breathed normally I thought. But in sleep the position of the body and the way you breathe changes. Throat becomes more relaxed. 

Since the surgery, I have been able to sleep all night a full 8 or even 9 hours without waking up. Whereas usually i was awake within 3 or 4 hours. 

So perhaps you should consider what I wrote here and find a serious approach. A sleep clinic can not help you if they do not know the cause of your problem. 

I just spent 9 days in Bangkok Pattaya Hospital. 250,000 THB. But that was all inclusive, insurance covered. So I don't think a few thousand will cover one night. But, YMMV.

4 minutes ago, Flyguy330 said:

If I can butt in on this heated debate....I have a question.

 

In the early days of Covid the anti-vaxxers claimed it was all a hoax and there was no virus. The most extreme types were even pushing the off-the-wall belief that viruses don't even exist, and that they are part of the hoax too. I'm sure some still believe that, maybe right here in this thread. Plenty are in denial about HIV for example.

 

Anyhow, aside from all the conspiracy theories and denials, one thing has always puzzled me. This disease (the Covid virus) was affirmed to exist by nations like China, Russia, North Korea - all 'rivals' or 'adversaries' (or even open enemies) of the West. They all developed Covid vaccines and mandated them for their populace.

They engaged in lockdowns which heavily damaged their economies, just like the West - when they had a God given opportunity to smash Western military and economic dominance.

 

It amazes me that those nations would 'buy into' a hoax invented in the West, one which had the possibility of actually weakening their resistance against Western domination and power. If they believed it was truly all a hoax meant to weaken them wouldn't they have been screaming it from the rooftops, rather than slavishly abiding by it?

 

Sure, some will say the dictators like to exercise total control over their populace, and this disease gave them even more power over their people.

But why use a method which ultimately weakens them?

 

Now, I expect to hear the claim that 'the elites of the planet' are all one, and all act in concert, and all the global rivalries are mere theatre, to keep the masses docile. Perhaps so. So you begin to see where these conspiracy theories ultimately take us. It's not about 'a virus' or a vaccine - we're actually talking about 'The Illuminati' and their control over humanity.

 

Do you see where this rabbit hole leads? If you buy into the least of it, you buy into ALL of the rest too.

Total insanity.

Great post. In a nutshell. There are still people who claim it was a hoax. At least it's entertaining, the lengths people will go to, with their odd ball agendas. Xi and Putin were on board all along? Oh, come on!

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I didn't use ivermectin prophylactically, I followed the Zelenko protocol, which was remarkably effective.

You mean arch quack Zelenko? Disowned by his own community? So not catching COVID proves what? Absolutely nothing!

7 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! Interesting comment. So those of us who challenged the narrative are gaslighting. Why or is this just an empty argument from you?  This wouldn't of course be gaslighting it would be trolling unless you have some substance to your comment. My guess is you haven't.

 

"Challenged the narrative"? What a joke!

2 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Nice gaslighting.

That's not gaslighting. I just questioned why he had it but never used it. If he thought it prevented infection, surely he would have?

Gaslighting is what the anti vaxers indulge in as in the comnent several  posts above concerning sheeple etc. It's as if to say, "if you disagree, it suggests to me you're a complete idiot". Or, "I'm wondering about your mental health".  Several commentators, not on this thread, but I know who they are, are adept at that tactic.

Just now, rattlesnake said:

 

False equivalence fallacy: though vaccines and antibiotics are indeed both produced by pharmaceutical companies, their similarity ends there, the latter being a treatment. Of course I will take the required treatment for a given ailment, and that includes ivermectin, though my stash has been left untouched for several years as so far I have never caught Covid.

Then it was never used? Either for prevention or treatment? I thought it was for prevention too? Maybe you didn't trust it.

41 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

People who did not trust the mRNA tech were all tarred with the same brush. They were demonized. You are an antivaxxer conspiracist. Complete fabricated nonsense. It's the mRNA bit that wasn't trusted as with the propaganda that went with this will save us all.

Whereas we are sheeple, morons, idiots, spineless, clueless, etc etc. What a pointless argument. If you don't want the vaccines, why create hell about them? Just do as you please. The rest is just a neverending, unwinnable argument.

28 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Nope, but I did buy Ivermectin just in case I or my loved ones would get symptoms,  But I never needed to take it, and - contrary to what you supposed me to be in a previous post - I am not a 'young and fit' guy that spend the pandemic hysteria time in Bali or other high-flyer place.  

I am a healthy (never sick) 67-year old living in the sticks in South- Isaan, and I waited it out there. 

Also I have deliberately never taken any vaccine my entire life (just like my 3 healthy - never sick - children that are now adult).  Likewise, I never take any allopathic drugs or 'necessary supplements', and will only make use of such when actually needed in the absence of natural remedies.  

Sickness is one of the least understood bodily states, and in many cases it is your body getting rid of toxins, which of course should be supported instead of being suppressed. 

Excellent post, thanks. I'm 74. I have afib, but that's not a major problem. Had it for about 15 years. Treated it myself for 10 then for insurance purposes, switched to medicating. Yeah, I know, sounds illogical, but ... I stayed most of the time in Pattaya which was completely deserted, so the pandemic had it's pluses!

I see the WHO is once again pressing the Chinese government to release all their data on the outbreak. What chance, I wonder?

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I bring you back to the case of early onset intervention and late onset intervention. If a study is set up to fail as in late intervention then the results will be constant.

Ok, maybe this is a more balanced appraisal:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35726131/

No vaccines claimed prevention, and it seems almost impossible to evaluate the prevention aspect of any drug, unless many thousands are involved and the results show unequivocal results. But all results appear to have some equivocality, so I guess the choice is anybody's to make. As it should be. Take this, or that, or nothing. I appreciate better now, that a member of any one group should not be ostracised for their decision. Jabs, pills or lifestyle. Seems some work for some, others for others. But the anti Vax approach became embroiled in conspiracy theories which just completely muddied the waters. I took my shots (partly in order to travel, partly as a form of maybe a misplaced sense of civic duty), when it was still possible, both at the beginning and end of the main pandemic. I survived 2 bouts, but now I feel strong in myself, and that's sufficient for me.

7 minutes ago, Airalee said:

“Remedies”?

 

You mean “tested and proven medications”

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39457519/

"Conclusions: As the main finding, although Ivermectin, Chloroquine/Hydroxychloroquine, and Azithromycin might have mechanistic effects against SARS-CoV-2 infection, most phase III clinical trials observed no treatment benefit in patients with COVID-19, underscoring the need for robust phase III clinical trials."

Your link is to tests conducted in 2005 against SARS Cov 2. I ask you again, and the others who advocate the use of these drugs, did you use them yourselves?

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Yes, most people don't realize that that the demonization of PROVEN effective treatments of Covid with HCQ or Ivermectin, was pushed by Big Pharma, because when an alternative treatment was allowed the mRNA gene therapy would not have gotten EUA approval. 

And so HCQ and Ivermectin which for ages had been used for treating humans with billions of doses being administered, suddenly became 'injecting bleach' and 'using horse-dewormer'.  Imo this was probably the most successful dis-information propaganda campaign ever run by Big Pharma. 

And it's actually amazing and mildly depressing that they pulled this off.  Goes to show that they think you are stupid, gullible and blindly obedient, and unfortunately they were proven right on that one...

Did you use those "remedies"?

2 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

What about those who were in top shape and got very sick?  The unsolved mysteries of COVID are still with us and most likely many will never be revealed.

In a previous post, I wrote about my experience with the virus. My girl and I consider ourselves to fortunate to not have suffered despite being exposed.

Thanks, I totally agree. I think all you can rely on is your own experience of COVID. All the facts, figures, arguments, theories have become meaningless. For every hypothesis there's an antithesis, but there's no synthesis. In other words, nobody can agree.

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

Oh please.  The days of being a Covid drama queen are long past their expiration date.  Stop with the emotional outbursts.
 

What you mean is that that millions had to watch someone who most likely had multiple comorbidities, was older than the average life expectancy and already had one foot in the grave (and the other on a banana peel) die…and then have the hospital state that the cause of death was Covid so that they would receive a bonus in the tens of thousands of dollars?

 

Yeah.

 

Revealed: The Average COVID Death Age Is GREATER Than Average Lifespan

 

https://thenewamerican.com/us/politics/revealed-the-average-covid-death-age-is-greater-than-average-lifespan/

 

Criminality and Financial Incentives Concerning Hospital COVID Deaths: Why a Presidential Pardon Can’t Shield Fauci from State Prosecution
 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/criminality-financial-incentives-concerning-hospital-covid-deaths-why/

 

ONLY 6% WITHOUT COMORBIDITIES? THE TRUTH ABOUT COVID DEATHS

 

“According to the CDC: “For 6% of [coronavirus disease 2019] deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups.””

 

https://www.futurity.org/cdc-covid-19-comorbidities-2436032-2/

Yeah, I thought so. Just a flood of dial a denial figures. You must have used these a million times. Getting COVID wasn't the problem. It was the already immune-compromised who were at risk. You obviously weren't. Lucky you.

6 hours ago, Airalee said:

LOL.  Yeah…sure

 

Histrionic appeal to emotion.  🙄

Well, did you? Millions had to watch as their friends and family died. Because you love a good conspiracy theory (it's all just a game anyway, right?) you mock the real suffering that people endured. Fiction over fact. Maybe you'll have to face tragedy one day too.