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Hands up if you were one of those reds chanting for a new manager

For the 1989–90 season, Ferguson further boosted his squad by paying large sums of money for midfielders Neil Webb, Mike Phelan and Paul Ince, as well as defender Gary Pallister and winger Danny Wallace. The season began well with a 4–1 win over defending champions Arsenal on the opening day, but United's league form quickly turned sour. In September, United suffered a humiliating 5–1 away defeat against fierce rivals Manchester City. Following this and an early season run of six defeats and two draws in eight games, a banner declaring "Three years of excuses and it's still crap ... ta-ra Fergie." was displayed at Old Trafford, and many journalists and supporters called for Ferguson to be sacked

You wanted the messiah sacked.... Fickle football fans at Old Scaffold

Why is Zaha not getting a game?

He will eventually get a game sooner or later, it is just the Boss trying to click him in the team at the right time. Have patience, he is very special i reckon, The third coming after Best and Cantona.

Thats not delusional its blind hope

Here one for you guys did you know when Sir Alax was first in charge he lost 12 games and still came in 1st also he drew 6 game ...

Fergie started managing in 86 you've got 6 years missing off that table. Modern day managers would not be allowed 5-6 years to win a title. So with his starting record, had it been today, he would have been sacked and you would have been shit 20 years ago

Redrus asks for sanity, normality and reality.

Good call.

Seems to me there is only one proven thing in the EPL at the moment:

Pellegrini has stepped up to the plate as a classy manager and City are a very impressive team.

The rest is hopes and dreams at the moment.

When you have supported your team for nearly half a century and spent most of that time being humbled, embarrassed and often humiliated by you neighbours you learn humility. Now its time for them to take a good chomp down on the humble pie and it dont taste good.

Its not only our good fortune in receiving handouts but the syphoning of club funds to build another mall in Poopsie Idaho that make me believe their time is over.

On yesterdays post. The Utd team that got dicked at city 5-1 cost over 13,000,000 quid. The most expensive football team ever assembled anywhere in the world at that time. But it wont be true in your delusional bubble

Glory Glory Man United, Glory Glory Man United.

I am smiling, great fought win even though United put out a second team against full first Liverpool Team. Well Done Moyes, Shame on you who critcise Moyes here..

Look at your second team then check out Citys second eleven against Wigan. We had 10 different starters to the derby with Silva and rodwell to come. Titles are won on the strength of the bench, where you once had Several International game changes on your bench you now have none. You maybe have 2 players that would get in our squad and they would not be guaranteed or needed to play in all the big games becaue the squad is sh ite. The game as moved on and you are standing still.

We are not offended by your statement of 'our biggest game is Liverpool' because its understandable as you are both of the same level...mediocre

We both have a successful history something you don't........"titles are won on the strength of the bench" keep on making these classics!

Small club in Manchester playing catch up with the Arabs dosh.

History = diddly squat points against west brom. We maybe a small club in Manchester but at least our ground is in Manchester. Yee of selective memory loss..look up who bailed you out from near bankruptcy in 1931...We have all had hand outs

Glory Glory Man United, Glory Glory Man United.

I am smiling, great fought win even though United put out a second team against full first Liverpool Team. Well Done Moyes, Shame on you who critcise Moyes here..

Look at your second team then check out Citys second eleven against Wigan. We had 10 different starters to the derby with Silva and rodwell to come. Titles are won on the strength of the bench, where you once had Several International game changes on your bench you now have none. You maybe have 2 players that would get in our squad and they would not be guaranteed or needed to play in all the big games becaue the squad is sh ite. The game as moved on and you are standing still.

We are not offended by your statement of 'our biggest game is Liverpool' because its understandable as you are both of the same level...mediocre

Gave me a chuckle this morning. A wins a win and your in the hat. Finer analysis from several internet sources are of the same opinion. You were bossed and sneaked it. If this is giving you a woody as visions of previous conquests appear possible.. think again. You dont need anymore players just a few plasterers.

I would rather have a Cantona duvet than a mini Mancini anyday.

Are you from Stockport or Didsbury? they say poo in Didsbury.

Otherwise carry on regardless you are at the least entertainment for us Rags...... Bertie Magoo!

Lets just say I am at the right end of the runway(not wythenshawe). Glad you reds are being entertained by someone in the week because you are getting no entertainment at weekends. Bertie Magoo the bitter blue... does your teacher know you are defacing text books. A Cantona duvet...theres a joke there but it will be wasted on you

My Team Prediction for tonight Match to Loserpool.

-----------------------------Lindergaard----------------------------

Fabio------------Evans-----------------Keane-----------Buttner

Januzaj---------------Kawanga----------Cleverly------------Giggs

Chico-----------------------------------Welbeck

Dont Criticize me , Just my Two baht worth.

That team wont sell many shirts in the mega store on match day

Why !!!!Enlighten me !! I will buy everyone a drink if my team Prediction is spot on .

You may be correct but its easy to pick a starting eleven from a crap squad...they pick themselves. Superstars sell shirts not johnny also ran players. Saying that grown men sleep under Utd duvets

I will accept your offer of a drink if you are correct but pls buy it for me before kick off because I need a large one to watch that shower

Hey its going to get a lot worse before it gets better (hopefully)

United need players for the team not the squad

A fine example of delusional. Gollum thinks he can keep getting beat and then attract top quality players in January. Maybe the same players he could not get in Summer...totally delusional

Summer was a great time to raid the Spanish Lge because of the Super Tax and nobody would go to Utd

My Team Prediction for tonight Match to Loserpool.

-----------------------------Lindergaard----------------------------

Fabio------------Evans-----------------Keane-----------Buttner

Januzaj---------------Kawanga----------Cleverly------------Giggs

Chico-----------------------------------Welbeck

Dont Criticize me , Just my Two baht worth.

That team wont sell many shirts in the mega store on match day

Man utd have not bought a serious player other than Van Persie in the last 14 transfer windows, and you blew your whole budget on him. You had been spending roughly 50-60 million in previous summer windows but you have had to buy several players not 2 top drawer players. Rooney wanted to leave 2 years ago and is still non committal about his future. He could see the writing is on the wall

Mourinho said he had been informed about Alexs retirement..why...bcos he was being asked about filling the position...why did he not come..... not enough money in the pot. Why did you end up with Moyes...bcos he was cheap....how many top players did you buy this summer...none...why.... you wont pay the money and the top players dont play for mediocre wages and second rate managers.

All the excuses are out there...no value available....while you wheel out scholes on a zimmer...city buy 3 or 4 top creative midfielders...why did they come to city... bcos we paid the money and showed them who else we were buying...Nasri, Silva, the beast, fernandinho.

For the reds that dont believe me just look at the starting 11 and bench for the Champs lge final against Chelsea and consider their ages. Ronaldo, Tevez (went to city bcos utd could not afford him) Berbatov, Rooney, young central defenders Camel trap and Vidic Owen hargreaves, an inform Nani...what a <deleted> team. Now lookat your team on Sunday.

The corporate jockeys transfer kittys are now bearing the fruit they deserved. Watering down the magic to such a place there looks like there is no coming back. Your fire may flicker from time to time but while the biggest club in the world is syphoning profits to prop up shopping Mall projects you are only going one way.

As a blue who's first game was a 0-1 home defeat to Derby back in the early 70's...I have been waiting for this to happen . The fact, based on your butt widening, that we are the team of the next decade only makes it so much more enjoyable. As I suffered for 40 years every rag who repeats the bile from the murdoch agenda press will be sure to be enlightened. Sure you have an illustrious history..which looks great in the cabinet but as it is being proved on a more frequent basis...your history gets you <deleted> all in the way of points next saturday.

Spleen not fully vented if somebody fancys a retort..there is forty years worth

You should post more often then,strange you only vent your spleen after drubbing United .......proper bitter post that was.

Mate he has had his life ruined by man united, i welcome him to come on here and let out the 40 years of frustration built up inside him, me i am just a easy going chap and if city win the league from here until eternity i will still die a happy man knowing i supported the best team on earth, well that my opinion anyway.

By the way bitter blue, nrat, just flicked through and seeing bcos and camel trap it does not deserve my attention.

I in no way have had my life ruined by Man Utd. As you will in the next decade..you will accept inept and mediocrity but hey not to worry just curl up in bed under your Ryan Giggs duvet and and cry on your Cantona pillow case

^ Hi lad...you should get in touch with Casinonick (Spurs thread as he won't post anywhere else ???) you have a lot of (anger management) issues in common. Reckon you'll be good mates if you start your own thread. 55555

Dont confuse anger with pity. Cold facts can be frightening for those that are living in a delusion bubble.

What an absolute crock of utter sheeeeeeeite, that I cannot be arsed to even entertain an intelligent response.

Give my head a wobble.

redrus

crock of sh ite pile of poo but fact. Fergy had spent over 160% of the income and ending up selling all his stars shortly after...Hughes Ince etc etc for his master plan to take shape. Bringing in all those kids was forced on him after he sold all those superstars. Lucky they were there...coincidental. If not for the Hillsborough tradgedy (R.I.P.) Fergy would have been sacked the next day after getting snotted by Derby at home. The guy got the breaks and made the most of them. And I do believe the fixtures are against you as a payback for old whisky nose berating the FA for 20 years. MOYES IN campaign sign here....

Pretty sure we had nearly 3 decades of shit too. Certainly the 70's and the 80's especially..!

Slowly improved in 91 to where we are now, yeah, never as bad as City but, that will never change.

redrus

Never as bad as city. Give your head a wobble. Those Yanks will bleed you so dry you wont be able to spit. I openly admit I just love your transfer policy. Your owners have no interest in Man Utd you are just a figure on a balance sheet. Your demise will continue until it is not financially viable to keep milking you. It called the tipping point and somewhere a tear jerk sap will buy you... say a Michael Knighton type.

Your 650,000,997 fans (I enlightened 3 the other night about 4 minutes after half time) will dwindle and another team will be Ruperts darling and Heineken will be on the phone demanding the new star be given easy passage thru the group stages. Have competition rules made to suit the old G14...5 points for getting out of the group stage....Arsenal not won a trophy for nearly a decade and top eight seed in Europe.

I suggest you live in the moment as bad as that butt rustling was on Sunday because you reds have selected memory loss and no <deleted> future

FACT FOR TODAY - Back on that glorious day when we whipped you 5-1 about 89 Utd had the most expensive team ever assembled on a football field anywhere in the world. We are buying success the irony of em

Can I ask what part of Surrey you are from?

I have to stop you there. I've met MrRed and I'll vouch for the fact he's a manc.

Its banter not vindictive. I used to see them on Piccadilly getting off the Euston train dressed in the red colours. "Alrite mate...which way to the ground"

I want one of the 650,000,000 reds to come and play on this thread before bedtime.

Man utd have not bought a serious player other than Van Persie in the last 14 transfer windows, and you blew your whole budget on him. You had been spending roughly 50-60 million in previous summer windows but you have had to buy several players not 2 top drawer players. Rooney wanted to leave 2 years ago and is still non committal about his future. He could see the writing is on the wall

Mourinho said he had been informed about Alexs retirement..why...bcos he was being asked about filling the position...why did he not come..... not enough money in the pot. Why did you end up with Moyes...bcos he was cheap....how many top players did you buy this summer...none...why.... you wont pay the money and the top players dont play for mediocre wages and second rate managers.

All the excuses are out there...no value available....while you wheel out scholes on a zimmer...city buy 3 or 4 top creative midfielders...why did they come to city... bcos we paid the money and showed them who else we were buying...Nasri, Silva, the beast, fernandinho.

For the reds that dont believe me just look at the starting 11 and bench for the Champs lge final against Chelsea and consider their ages. Ronaldo, Tevez (went to city bcos utd could not afford him) Berbatov, Rooney, young central defenders Camel trap and Vidic Owen hargreaves, an inform Nani...what a <deleted> team. Now lookat your team on Sunday.

The corporate jockeys transfer kittys are now bearing the fruit they deserved. Watering down the magic to such a place there looks like there is no coming back. Your fire may flicker from time to time but while the biggest club in the world is syphoning profits to prop up shopping Mall projects you are only going one way.

As a blue who's first game was a 0-1 home defeat to Derby back in the early 70's...I have been waiting for this to happen . The fact, based on your butt widening, that we are the team of the next decade only makes it so much more enjoyable. As I suffered for 40 years every rag who repeats the bile from the murdoch agenda press will be sure to be enlightened. Sure you have an illustrious history..which looks great in the cabinet but as it is being proved on a more frequent basis...your history gets you <deleted> all in the way of points next saturday.

Spleen not fully vented if somebody fancys a retort..there is forty years worth

You should post more often then,strange you only vent your spleen after drubbing United .......proper bitter post that was.

We won the lge 18 months ago I never posted. We drubbed Utd 6-1 2 years ago. We have beaten Chelsea the last five times we have played them. We have outplayed Man Utd when the ref was in your squad. Opportunities are endles to rub salt into your gaping wounds. I have seen great Man U teams and great Liverpool teams to be admired..and rightly so. But the delusion, admittedly not always on here..is obnoxious. What I have posted...can you contradict any of what I have said..did not think so. Your time in the limelight is going. Like I said you will flicker from time to time but your era (due to your lack of funds) is your downfall.

What more facts do you require. You could not attract a top drawer player this summer or the last 6 summers...dont you question why or are you in denial. Ferguson achieved great things for his last 2 season with a team that at best was a third place outfit.

PS. Maybe it was bitter but just look at what you will become when you spend 3 decades in the shadows.

We are the champions mate and by a canter ......bad eh?

of that point I cannot deny. Due more to the internal politics at several of your rivals more so than your epic feats. You pay all that money for Van Persie and got the same number of points..did you gain...no you do what fergy always did he maintained. We won it on goal difference but check your records in 10 years..we will both be Champions. Can I ask what part of Surrey you are from?

Man utd have not bought a serious player other than Van Persie in the last 14 transfer windows, and you blew your whole budget on him. You had been spending roughly 50-60 million in previous summer windows but you have had to buy several players not 2 top drawer players. Rooney wanted to leave 2 years ago and is still non committal about his future. He could see the writing is on the wall

Mourinho said he had been informed about Alexs retirement..why...bcos he was being asked about filling the position...why did he not come..... not enough money in the pot. Why did you end up with Moyes...bcos he was cheap....how many top players did you buy this summer...none...why.... you wont pay the money and the top players dont play for mediocre wages and second rate managers.

All the excuses are out there...no value available....while you wheel out scholes on a zimmer...city buy 3 or 4 top creative midfielders...why did they come to city... bcos we paid the money and showed them who else we were buying...Nasri, Silva, the beast, fernandinho.

For the reds that dont believe me just look at the starting 11 and bench for the Champs lge final against Chelsea and consider their ages. Ronaldo, Tevez (went to city bcos utd could not afford him) Berbatov, Rooney, young central defenders Camel trap and Vidic Owen hargreaves, an inform Nani...what a <deleted> team. Now lookat your team on Sunday.

The corporate jockeys transfer kittys are now bearing the fruit they deserved. Watering down the magic to such a place there looks like there is no coming back. Your fire may flicker from time to time but while the biggest club in the world is syphoning profits to prop up shopping Mall projects you are only going one way.

As a blue who's first game was a 0-1 home defeat to Derby back in the early 70's...I have been waiting for this to happen . The fact, based on your butt widening, that we are the team of the next decade only makes it so much more enjoyable. As I suffered for 40 years every rag who repeats the bile from the murdoch agenda press will be sure to be enlightened. Sure you have an illustrious history..which looks great in the cabinet but as it is being proved on a more frequent basis...your history gets you <deleted> all in the way of points next saturday.

Spleen not fully vented if somebody fancys a retort..there is forty years worth

You should post more often then,strange you only vent your spleen after drubbing United .......proper bitter post that was.

We won the lge 18 months ago I never posted. We drubbed Utd 6-1 2 years ago. We have beaten Chelsea the last five times we have played them. We have outplayed Man Utd when the ref was in your squad. Opportunities are endles to rub salt into your gaping wounds. I have seen great Man U teams and great Liverpool teams to be admired..and rightly so. But the delusion, admittedly not always on here..is obnoxious. What I have posted...can you contradict any of what I have said..did not think so. Your time in the limelight is going. Like I said you will flicker from time to time but your era (due to your lack of funds) is your downfall.

What more facts do you require. You could not attract a top drawer player this summer or the last 6 summers...dont you question why or are you in denial. Ferguson achieved great things for his last 2 season with a team that at best was a third place outfit.

PS. Maybe it was bitter but just look at what you will become when you spend 3 decades in the shadows.

If i could offer some words of help at this time of crisis...you are no more delusional than the scousers in red. Think your self lucky they have stooped to copying Swanseas style

Man utd have not bought a serious player other than Van Persie in the last 14 transfer windows, and you blew your whole budget on him. You had been spending roughly 50-60 million in previous summer windows but you have had to buy several players not 2 top drawer players. Rooney wanted to leave 2 years ago and is still non committal about his future. He could see the writing is on the wall

Mourinho said he had been informed about Alexs retirement..why...bcos he was being asked about filling the position...why did he not come..... not enough money in the pot. Why did you end up with Moyes...bcos he was cheap....how many top players did you buy this summer...none...why.... you wont pay the money and the top players dont play for mediocre wages and second rate managers.

All the excuses are out there...no value available....while you wheel out scholes on a zimmer...city buy 3 or 4 top creative midfielders...why did they come to city... bcos we paid the money and showed them who else we were buying...Nasri, Silva, the beast, fernandinho.

For the reds that dont believe me just look at the starting 11 and bench for the Champs lge final against Chelsea and consider their ages. Ronaldo, Tevez (went to city bcos utd could not afford him) Berbatov, Rooney, young central defenders Camel trap and Vidic Owen hargreaves, an inform Nani...what a <deleted> team. Now lookat your team on Sunday.

The corporate jockeys transfer kittys are now bearing the fruit they deserved. Watering down the magic to such a place there looks like there is no coming back. Your fire may flicker from time to time but while the biggest club in the world is syphoning profits to prop up shopping Mall projects you are only going one way.

As a blue who's first game was a 0-1 home defeat to Derby back in the early 70's...I have been waiting for this to happen . The fact, based on your butt widening, that we are the team of the next decade only makes it so much more enjoyable. As I suffered for 40 years every rag who repeats the bile from the murdoch agenda press will be sure to be enlightened. Sure you have an illustrious history..which looks great in the cabinet but as it is being proved on a more frequent basis...your history gets you <deleted> all in the way of points next saturday.

Spleen not fully vented if somebody fancys a retort..there is forty years worth

You should post more often then,strange you only vent your spleen after drubbing United .......proper bitter post that was.

We won the lge 18 months ago I never posted. We drubbed Utd 6-1 2 years ago. We have beaten Chelsea the last five times we have played them. We have outplayed Man Utd when the ref was in your squad. Opportunities are endles to rub salt into your gaping wounds. I have seen great Man U teams and great Liverpool teams to be admired..and rightly so. But the delusion, admittedly not always on here..is obnoxious. What I have posted...can you contradict any of what I have said..did not think so. Your time in the limelight is going. Like I said you will flicker from time to time but your era (due to your lack of funds) is is falling down.

What more facts do you require. You could not attract a top drawer player this summer or the last 6 summers...dont you question why or are you in denial. Ferguson achieved great things for his last 2 season with a team that at best was a third place outfit.

PS. Maybe it was bitter but just look at what you will become when you spend 3 decades in the shadows.

Whilst I would giggle quite a lot at the collapse of Utd, this impending doom some poster are predicting is a bit premature. Utd drew with Chelsea and lost to Liverpool and City. Not really the results that they wanted, but no shameful results either.

Agree with all apart from the City game mate...the performance and result was shameful beyond belief.

I didn't see all the match, just the first 30 minutes (all City) then the final 15 minutes (all utd). Sure, City were 4-0 up and could take their foot of the gas, but no team wants to ease up that much. Just MO.

Not comfortable with us sitting back but we have known for sometime...Utd are not our biggest game this season. Also they had to compact to have a natter together about where Sunday nights celebrations were being held. Cant chat together when the Captain is the furthest man forward

Somebody saved me the trouble of writing it

.......apart from the security of being a civil servant with guaranteed employment and a pension, and the extraordinary cultural respect for the profession, there is little incentive to choose a future as a teacher in a government school. As a result, most classes in secondary schools are overcrowded with often as many as sixty students in a classroom, a situation that continues to favour the rote system that is firmly anchored in Thai culture as the only method possible.

As teaching by rote requires little pedagogic skill, once qualified — apart from weekend seminars which are considered to be part of the reward system — teachers tend to resist attempts to encourage them to engage in any forms of further training to improve their subject knowledge and to adopt new methodologies which will require them to use more initiative and to be more creative.

Students are not encouraged to develop analytical and critical thinking skills, which is clearly demonstrated by their inability to complete a cloze test, or to grasp a notion through context. The teachers will avoid introducing dialogue into the classroom or eliciting response from the students — to give a wrong answer would be to lose face in the presence of one's peers, a situation that in Thai culture must always be avoided.

Dr. Adith Cheosokul, professor, Chulalongkorn University, September 1, 2002: "Thai kids have no courage to question their teachers… foreign students are very eager to communicate with their teachers. The Thais are usually silent in class. I think it's the culture. Our students tend to uphold teachers as demi-gods" — a perception that is reinforced by the celebration of wai khru (literally 'praise the teacher') day, in all schools and colleges shortly after the beginning of the new school year, where during a festive general assembly, the students file before the teachers on their knees and offer them gifts, usually of real or hand-crafted flowers.

The essence of education therefore still hinges first and foremost on the traditional values of Buddhism, respect for the king, the monkhood, the teachers, and the family (in that order) through the rote method. Whilst indisputably very noble, these features are the main hurdle to the implementation of modern educational methodology and the development of a Western cultural approach to

communication.

Bleat on all you like but what is wrong could be put right simply by reversing or discarding some or all of the above. Personally the first thing I would do is ban military style uniforms for teachers

Removing a uniform requirement is the wedge to a point where eventually people will start to ask the need for such uniforms for government workers and officials, teachers and endless other positions which are seen as paramount in keeping the masses... just that the masses. maintaining that suppressant referred to as the Thai culture or Thainess.

Thainess holding back the prosperity of the people for decades