Gweiloman

Range is an issue mostly for non EV owners. Not sure if you live in Thailand but travelling long distances in Thailand in an EV is not difficult. Sure, it’s less convenient than just filling up and going as in an ICEV but if only doing such trips once or twice a year, the advantages of an EV on a daily basis far outweighs the occasional inconvenience of long distance trips. For those who do it more often, then an EV is probably not the right choice for them, as mentioned countless times by EV owners. But EVs can definitely handle long trips, albeit taking longer than in an ICEV.

I think you’ve lived in Thailand a bit too long to the extent that you have over absorbed Thai logic. Do you know what the recalls were for and does it relate to the tech of an EV? Toyota recalled the Bz4x as there was a risk of the tyres falling off. Does that mean EVs are dangerous? No. It merely means that Toyota did a bad job with this car. My Ford Ranger had a recall due to a faulty door lock mechanism. Does that mean pickups are rubbish? No. It means that the part used by Ford was sub par. For all we know, the Tesla recalls could have been software issues, seat belts, brake discs, HVAC etc etc. Nothing to do with EVs but with cars in general. Which means that Tesla is a crap manufacturer with poor build quality, like many American made cars. You made the point of most sold, most pricey therefore blah blah blah. McDonalds is the most sold burgers (pricey too if you consider the low quality of ingredients). Does that make all burgers rubbish? Maybe Thai logic thinks so. A lot of China haters are still living in the past century when they think all Chinese made products are crap. There was a time when Japanese made cars were compared to tin cans due to their low quality. Today, they are hailed as the most reliable, dependable vehicles on the roads. Looking at the build quality of recent Chinese offerings, they are right up there with the most premium of offerings but at a much more affordable price. You also mentioned conscience. I assume you mean cobalt mining? Is so, my BYD battery does not contain cobalt but cobalt is required in the production of the fossil fuel you use in your vehicle. Nuff said.

@josephbloggs addressed your theory about international flights quite well I thought. As an ex-frequent flyer, most of my East-West international flights were at night. I choose this option so that I can sleep on the plane and arrive refreshed and ready to start work. My returning flights were in the daytime because this is when the plane turns around. I grant you your point about range issues at low temperatures. This of course is a non-issue in SEA. Even in colder climates, the problem that some Tesla owners faced in Chicago is more the exception rather than the rule and could have been fairly easily avoided or resolved. As one poster @JBChiangRai I believe said, this is more a reflection of American Tesla owners than EVs themselves. It bears repeating again that even during winter, the reduced range of an EV is more than sufficient for most drivers. The majority of people commute less than 100 kms per day and every decent EV manages that easily. Just plug it in when you get home and you have practically a full tank again the next morning. Not rocket science for most people (except possibly some American Tesla owners).

In all fairness, I owned a (BRAND NEW) Mazda 2 for 5 years. It was relatively free motoring (apart from having to have a service every 6 months) until the key sensor gave up the ghost. Mazda CM tried to tell me that the Panasonic CR 2032 lithium batteries I had in my keys were too “fat” and that I should use the OEM Mazda CR 2032 lithium batteries (which were made by Panasonic). So I’m going to wear the hat of an anti-EVer and state conclusively that Panasonic batteries are garbage.

Your intellectual level is … astounding.

30 year old Camry… My sympathies. I drive new cars. Because I can afford to.

Brilliant! And this response from a poster on that thread “I assume this is a Mazda 2 or 3. They go bad frequently and we replace a lot in the UK.”

Could you kindly expand on where, how, what ICEVs are technically superior? Acceleration? Noise levels? Comfort? Handling? Mind you, range is not an issue for EV owners. It’s really only non EV owners who think that range is a major issue.

I don’t know what to make of this post. It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Most charging is done at home, in the evenings/nights.

This is a classic example of what I was trying to say in my post above. This poster thinks he is being clever (he’s not) in that by sharing this link, it proves that EVs are rubbish. But all it is, is that Tesla, as a vehicle manufacturer, has issues. Just because Tesla happens to be an EV doesn’t make all EVs rubbish. If Samsung does a recall on their smartphones (which they did, if memory serves), does that mean all smartphones are rubbish? This is typical of anti Evers’ posts. I wonder, what is it that they actually dislike about EVs? Child labour? In that case, they should not purchase anything that has a NMC battery. But I bet they own lots of stuff with NMC batteries. It’s this hypocrisy that is bewildering.

From what I have read on all the EV related threads, I don’t recall one post from anyone criticising an ICEV purchase. There is definitely still a need for ICEVs. An MPV for example, in your case. If I needed an MOV, I would probably buy an Alphard or Staria as these are the best available options. My criticism is on those posters who have never sat in or test drove an EV and then state that EVs are rubbish. These sorts of opinions based on ignorance are just moronic and reflects their relatively low intellect. It’s like saying China is a rubbish country but haven’t ever been there themselves. Sadly, such is the power of western propaganda. Your post is sensible and I agree with most of it. One part that my opinion differs is about the number of public charging stations. As EV drivers, we know from first hand experience that the majority of our charging is done at home. The only time we use public chargers are when we are on a long trip. Apart from extremely busy periods like new year or Songkran, we can easily roll up to a CS in PTT or Bangchak or PT and there is almost always, never a queue. If you regularly take long trips that requires charging on-route, then an EV might not be your best choice. This has been stated numerous times by EV owners. Long trips are also relative. Would you consider a journey of 350-400 km long? If so, this journey can be easily completed by many EVs today without the need to stop to charge. Another issue is the environment. Non (and often ignorant) EV owners like to claim that EV owners are virtue signalling, showoffs, wannabes etc. In my case, nothing can be further from the truth. What is undoubted is that it’s infinitely more pleasant driving behind an EV than a pickup truck belching toxic and smelly fumes. No one can argue with that. Another instance is when eating at a restaurant next to the road (which I do a lot as I eat mostly local food). The noise created by ICEVs, particularly diesel trucks are a nuisance and pain. Again, this is an undeniable fact. I could go on but this post is long enough.

I believe it’s called hypocrisy.

One thing that I can think of is the loss of fuel tax for the government. The government might have to increase the fuel tax to make up for this.

Why the hate? Did China invade your country? Or caused you to pay more for the things you buy?

Every country has the right to defend itself from aggressors. I don’t see anything wrong for a country to build its defence capabilities. What I consider is wrong is when a country sends its military halfway across the world to another sovereign country’s borders and claims that it is doing so in self defence. Fortunately, the majority of the world is not fooled by this bullying and slowly but surely, fighting back.

I do. Russia is going to be asphyxiated, the Ruble will be rubble, Russia will be isolated, economy in tatters…All this nonsense, just to benefit the MIC. I said 2 yrs ago that the west should stop sending arms to Ukraine and the war will be over. 2 years later, the war will soon be over with the same result except that hundreds of lives have been needlessly lost. And Russia is stronger as a result.

Ok, so NK is sending arms to Russia. So what? The UN is a paper tiger. No nation seems to abide by or care about any UN Security Council resolutions.What can the UN do? Impose sanctions? Lol.

The UN should be interested in acts of international sabotage such as Nord Stream but they are not investigating. I wonder why. Occam’s razor obviously.

Yup. Much more than from wherever you are probably from. Peace and trade vs war and colonialism and imperialism.

14C tonight in CM

From the Battery University (https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries). This refers to Lithium ion, not LFP.

He is typical of someone who believes everything he reads in the MSM, including how bad and evil China is, although he’s probably not ever been there. But it’s all good. That’s what makes some of these threads interesting.

My main concern is degradation and whether the dealer/manufacturer (GWM and BYD in my case) will honour their warranty. If truth be told, I don’t actually know what the warranty states as I didn’t bother reading the fine print. As my BYD has the LFP battery, I will just charge it to full whenever I can, My Haval on the other hand is a Lithium ternary battery (I presume this means NMC). I watched a video that referenced a study by the Battery University (https://batteryuniversity.com) that the best practice is to keep the battery between something like 65-75%. This is of course highly impractical so I currently charge up to only 70% (more if I’m doing more miles) and recharge daily when I get home.

Some great news today. My feed in to the grid finally got activated. I have only a small 3 kWh system installed but has so far today, fed back just under 4 kWh. That’s almost 10 baht. I’m rich lol.

Well, this thread is “to BYD or not to BYD”. Since I own a BYD, it would make sense for me to be on this thread. On the other hand, I doubt very much that you own a BYD or even an EV. But that doesn’t mean you can’t contribute your 2 cents worth, which so far, hasn’t amounted to even 2 satang. But that’s ok, everyone has a right to state their opinion. The beauty about the world we live in today is that we don’t need to know very much about everything. I know how to drive a car, I own one. If there’s an issue, I pay someone to fix it for me. Dense I may be, but fortunately, I can afford to pay someone to crawl under the car for me. I hate getting my t-shirt dirty, don’t you?