Gweiloman

What a totally ridiculous post and you know it. Really smacks of desperation in trying to defend your untenable position on EVs.

You mean 10 pm and not 9 pm? TOU starts at 22:00 hours. Wall charger or granny cable? Sounds to me like either user error or a setting in the car. Definitely not overloading the grid.

Not happy as you can imagine. However it is what it is. I’ve had the car over a year, done 35k km to date and absolutely love it. As I intend to hold onto this vehicle for many a year, Thb 300k is not a major issue in the overall scheme of things. I highly recommend it to anyone who is not ready for a full EV, especially at this price. Servicing has been excellent at the 4 different service centres I have tried.

Actually, I’m a spreadsheet expert. I was already using Lotus 123 with HAL add-on long before Excel existed. Columns A-H are self explanatory. However column I seems to be exactly the same odometer reading as col C but with a difference of 18,939 km. Col J is also self explanatory ie total amount in litres pumped. Columns K and L don’t make much sense to me without knowing your heading but it could be the cumulative litres/100 km and price per litre over the total ownership of your vehicle. One important metric you have omitted (arguably the most important one ) is fuel cost per km. you seem to be averaging around Thb 2.6 per km. No wonder guys like @ExpatOilWorker loves (deleted) like you.

There’s nothing vague about such a statement. When was the last time you had a cup of coffee and some cookies at Amazon? Most times I’ve been there, it takes about 10 minutes to get your coffee. During that time, I usually visit the restroom. So by the time I get my coffee, check some social media stuff etc, that coffee break can easily take 30 minutes. A lot of recharging can be done in that time. Note that most smart EV owners don’t wait to charge up to 100%, unlike that clickbait YT vlogger mentioned above. I don’t recall reading any post that claims most EV owners are recharging from the solar panels of their house. What I do recall reading is that for those owners who have solar, most of their recharging is done this way. The above has nothing to do with science, just facts.

Looks like you spend more time filling up your spreadsheet than I do charging my car. Luckily my car tells me my consumption instantly without needing any spreadsheets.

If you’re happy with your 18 yo Vios, it’s obvious that you’re not concerned about matters such as ride comfort, handling, safety etc. It’s no wonder that you don’t understand why EV owners love their cars. Even a well known YT EV hater (allegedly) that reviews fish and chips shops in the UK loves the way his EV drives and performs. Anti EVers can’t seem (or don’t want) to accept the fact that the supposed downsides such as limited range, recharge times etc are a non issue for most EV owners. Most of our charging is done at home. Like @KhunLA stated, it takes only seconds to start charging. When on the road, it hardly adds any time to my regular stops for a meal or a toilet break for the dogs. I’m yet to have to queue for a CS in Thailand as they are plentiful. Admittedly I haven’t done a long distance trip in my EV during the new year or Songkran period. Unless needing to, why travel during this time? In any case, this happens only once or twice per year. On top of that, those of us with solar at home are charging at zero or close to zero cost. Even without solar, it’s dirt cheap compared to petrol. With TOU, it’s even cheaper than dirt cheap when charging off peak. So what anti Evers sees as disadvantages are in fact advantages to EV owners. Add onto that the extremely pleasant driving experience, the ready power on tap for overtaking, the modern and convenient features etc, I can’t see myself ever owning an ICEV ever again.

Photos must have been faked. All the experts on this forum are telling us that no one wants to buy an EV.

If a pedestrian is so stupid as to step out in front on an oncoming vehicle, the it might actually be for the betterment of humanity. In any case, I reckon the somchai in his diesel pickup truck kills more pedestrians than EVs. Any part of my earlier post that was incorrect?

If adding an extra 30 minutes or so to your journey is a deal breaker, don’t buy an EV. Problem solved.

Yes, the cobalt used in obtaining petrol and diesel is immoral. Good thing that LFP batteries don’t contain cobalt.

If you want to debate intelligently, you really should educate yourself a bit more. First of all, learn the difference between AC and DC charging. Most EVs can charge up to 80% in 30 mins or less; time enough for a coffee and toilet break.

Imagine also. In order for this new invention to work, the fuel (excluding all the work that goes into extraction and refining) would need to be pumped into huge ocean going tankers to be shipped all around the world. Any accident on the high seas could cause oil spills and ecological disasters. Then, it would need to be loaded onto road going tankers and delivered to the thousands of petrol stations around the country. Talk about wear and tear on the poor roads (a 2 ton electric SUV does not come close in weight to these oil tankers. Imagine if one of these have an accident and explodes). All these vehicular traffic just adds to extra congestion on the roads as well as noise and air pollution.

Oh wow! I didn’t know that ICEVs could travel up to 2,000 km on a single tank of fuel. Or that fuel is a renewable source of energy. Where can I buy such a vehicle?

It really depends on a case by case basis. The only real advantage of having an ICEV is the ability to travel a much longer distance without having to stop and that stops are a lot shorter. However this comes at a price, literally. You will have to pay more for this convenience. Those of us that owns or have owned both sorts of vehicles know this for a fact. Those that have never owned an EV has absolutely no idea of the convenience and advantages of an EV over an ICEV.

To add to that, this new invention costs twice as much to run and and belches out emissions that pollutes urban air, adding to the PM 2.5 problem that parts of Thailand suffers from.

The level of ignorance among anti EVers is absolutely mind boggling. From not knowing about the different types of hybrids to how often you need to charge. In Malaysia, where top end condos are multiple times more expensive than condos in Thailand, most of them have charging facilities on site. In some condos, they have communal charging points. Payment is made directly to the charge point operator and the condo management gets a cut of this. Meaning, the condo management gets money for nothing. In other condos, owners can fit a charging point to their designated parking space (for those of you living in condos without designated spaces, you are living in a loso condo. Sorry about that). The costs involved in all the necessary wiring and commissioning is on the condo owner, not the management. All the above does not cost a satang to non EV owners. Take up of EVs in Malaysia is growing, even though petrol is highly subsidised and costs less than half of that in Thailand. Having charging facilities on site increases a condos value.

+1. Great story 🙂

Mostly valid points. I’ve lived in Thailand over 15 years and apart from the floods back when Yingluck was PM, I must say I’ve been able to avoid flooded roads.Fortunately, I don’t live in Pattaya. As for the battery, I can honestly say that charging the battery of an EV at home is arguably more convenient than filling up at a petrol station. I do understand that there are many that still prefers an ICE and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. Similarly, there’s also nothing wrong with preferring an EV if your circumstances allow.

OP mentioned that he drives a lot of kms. If he means long distance journeys, an EV may not be so suitable but if they are local short trips and he can charge at home, then an EV could save him a lot of money.

Many others have commented but you know the saying, apples and oranges?

Sadly, yes. why are you anti-EV, anti clean air in urban environments?

I’m afraid you not completely correct. Business car sales only account for around 2,000 cars out of 142k sold. The reason private sales are down is because the UK consumer prefers to lease than to buy. Fleet sales account for 90k cars in Jan 24. https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/

What’s with all this virtue signalling malarkey that some anti EVers keep harping on about? You really should learn to keep up. Those fools who have bought an EV here in Thailand are, afaik, very happy with their purchases. Better to be a fool who is happy with whatever he has bought than an ignoramus who has complains about all his purchases. I get such delight when I look at my solar power installation app and see that the sun has thought fit to gift me with free travel. ICEs are here to stay for a long time yet. Enjoy handing over your cash to the petrol stations :).

I’m a subscriber to Harry’s Garage but in this case, I wasted 20 mins not learning anything new. Early on, he mentions that he does lots of regular long distance trips. It has been mentioned many times that an EV is not the best choice of vehicle under such scenarios. His other valid comments are about the price of public charging in the UK and inefficiency in cold weather. Very valid if you’re living in the UK, not so much if you’re living here in Thailand. Depreciation and insurance is another point. If you’re buying GBP 100k cars, then you are going to take a hit no matter what. A BYD Atto 3 or Dolphin at GBP 20k is not in the same ball park. One thing he doesn’t talk about is EV fires. Wonder why?