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Hi Ferangled:
A: I'm not back tracking, I'm clarifying.
B: the reason we ask ( ok I accept insist was the wrong word) parents to speak their home language at home is because sometimes parents feel it is better to only speak English at home, to the detriment of their home language. No one is blaming parents for anything or passing the buck. I am responsible for children's learning and that learning can take place in English in school and be reinforced at home in whichever language is best suited to the child. That language is not always English.
C: yeah sorry I messed up your post. My phone is not the best vehicle for this forum.
D: I have no idea what boarding schools do, I've never worked in one.
Fair enough, sorry for attacking your post, it just struck a chord with a concerned parent of 3 having not the best day!
My firm belief is that for students to get the best out of their education both parents and teachers have to be working on the same page, especially when it come to languages. I must say that my eldest is thoroughly enjoying school here, in a split Thai/ English system, and seems to be doing very well... like I say she's certainly better with her Thai than I am, although they do say you can't teach an old dog new tricks!
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Can't read or write their parents' language. Just a dam_n shame, the incredible depth and breadth of the native literature that will be unavailable to them. Their brains are probably being horribly altered at these schools too, what with those wicked "critical thinking" and "analytical skills" being indoctrinated into them.
****ing foreigners.
This is exactly why Farang schools are NOT allowed in Thailand, until some 20 years ago, it is alleged that some corrupted official from the ministry of education take under table payment and start giving out license for Farang to open school in Thailand.
This has destroyed the language and culture ability of Thai people in Thailand. What a disgrace. I am such our father would have objected.
Sarcasm anyone?!
Narrow thinking maybe?
Doh! 1st post sarcastic. 2nd post narrow minded
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Just look at Stamford University in Cha Am because that is how it is there. No problem with students from Africa and Asian but the spokesman claimed that students would come from Europe which is extremely unlikely as the expense for them to come and study in Thailand is excessive and employers in Europe would be dubious about a degree from Thailand. If they want to experience Thailand, better to travel there for a gap year or in summer holidays and get a better education and a more credible degree for less overall cost at home.
The point about the teachers is twofold. One they are selling British university education but will not be able to guarantee the same standards of teaching without academics from UK universities. They don't need to be of British nationality. if there were Asian graduates and lecturers from UK universities that would be fine. Standards of teaching in universities in the Philippines are extremely low, probably on a par with Thai universities with the only advantage that they teach in English. In India and Malaysia some are good and some are bad.
OK if you can't get into a British university and/or can't afford to study there, this is probably a worthy substitute but there is no point in going there, if you can go to the UK. There is also probably not much point in going to the real UCLAN, if you can get in somewhere better.
Have you actually been to the UK recently? In my time at Uni (not UCLAN) I had a diverse range of lecturers, certainly not all English, not even mostly English and what is to say that an English teacher is any better than any other nationality. As you point out there are good and bad from other countries, so surely that applies to the UK?
You claim that African students are better able to afford travel than those from the UK? Really? On what basis do you make these assumptions?
The most pertinent point here is that it creates another option for Thai students and international students wishing to study in Thailand. That is a good thing, and does not merit your scorn. Whether or not it was a former Polytechnic is totally irrelevant and has just brought to the surface some underlying bigotry in certain members.
Is it the best University? No but it's a much better fit to the local demographic than Oxford or Cambridge would be. The flexible entrance requirements mean that it's actually accessible to students here.
Has it ever struck you that there are far more "average" students than there are Oxbridge candidates and that educating the majority is far more important than catering to the elitist minority?
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Yingluck, her family and friends are all real estate developers. The government has a policy to give subsidy to first-time home buyers. There was a study that this only offers a benefit to a few (home buyers) and cost the government relatively much money. This same money could have "helped" many more people on another policy.
Was this policy introduced so that the Shinawatra clan can sell more houses?
Was she discussing this policy at the four seasons hotel with this real-estate developer? The commerce minster was also present.
1+1=2 where I come from. Where Yingluck comes from it means 1+1= I can do what I want because I am the PM elected by the majority of Thais. I hold absolute power so don't ask me any questions.
Just wondering..
Or was it simply a move to help Thai families get on the first rung of the property ladder, in tough economic times, which would generally help spur the economy in many related sectors not purely the developers, echoing similar policies in other countries...
I'm sure no Democrats have any vested interests in real estate and all property developments in Thailand solely benefit the Thaksin family...?
I guess it hasn't occurred that perhaps the whole complaint fiasco was simply another mudslinging tactic of the opposition...
Mark is not in the property business.
And Mark is the only Democrat in Thailand is he? Doesn't own any property in Thailand? His family & friends don't have any vested interests in property?
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Yingluck, her family and friends are all real estate developers. The government has a policy to give subsidy to first-time home buyers. There was a study that this only offers a benefit to a few (home buyers) and cost the government relatively much money. This same money could have "helped" many more people on another policy.
Was this policy introduced so that the Shinawatra clan can sell more houses?
Was she discussing this policy at the four seasons hotel with this real-estate developer? The commerce minster was also present.
1+1=2 where I come from. Where Yingluck comes from it means 1+1= I can do what I want because I am the PM elected by the majority of Thais. I hold absolute power so don't ask me any questions.
Just wondering..
Or was it simply a move to help Thai families get on the first rung of the property ladder, in tough economic times, which would generally help spur the economy in many related sectors not purely the developers, echoing similar policies in other countries...
I'm sure no Democrats have any vested interests in real estate and all property developments in Thailand solely benefit the Thaksin family...?
I guess it hasn't occurred that perhaps the whole complaint fiasco was simply another mudslinging tactic of the opposition...
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"The court found that complaints against plans by Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's party to amend the constitution -- drawn up under the military junta that deposed her divisive brother Thaksin -- were unfounded."
Strange choice of words from the judges, would expect them to at least try to appear neutral... or is that simply the media bias creeping in... I would have thought "drawn up under the divisive military junta", would have been more accurate, as it was them deposing Thaksin that struck the most divisive blow to Thailand, surely?
Surely not. Thaksin was dividing the profits first.
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Surely that's just normal, everyday Thai business practice... deposing him was the most divisive act as far as the impact on the Thai population...
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"The court found that complaints against plans by Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's party to amend the constitution -- drawn up under the military junta that deposed her divisive brother Thaksin -- were unfounded."
Strange choice of words from the judges, would expect them to at least try to appear neutral... or is that simply the media bias creeping in... I would have thought "drawn up under the divisive military junta", would have been more accurate, as it was them deposing Thaksin that struck the most divisive blow to Thailand, surely?
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Nonsense. I work in one in an international school here. Thai is part of the curriculum both
during the day and as a compulsory extra curricular activity. We allow children to use Thai in the classroom and encourage discussion of new learning in their mother tongue Children and parents are fully aware that at home the school insists they use their mother tongue even
when discussing homework that has been set. We are not stupid, we are fully aware that children cannot learn a second language until they are fully proficient in their mother tongue. Yes there may be problems with writing amongst some children, but these are a minority and the school provides support to these children. This article is just pandering to the fears and prejudices of those who fear the outside world. Where I work we offer a world class education that ensures our students have the best start possible in life
I find it very worrying that someone working in an international school would come out with such a statement... We are not stupid, we
are fully aware that children cannot learn a second language until they are fully proficient in their mother tongue
What a totally flawed and incorrect statement. How do you apply that comment to mix race
children? I personally grew up with French and English as languages... my "mother" tongue is French, my "father" tongue is English. I learnt both simultaneously from birth
and enjoyed the massive benefits conferred by speaking two languages fluently, effectively a native of both.
English has always been my "main" language out of practicality; I have worked across the world and English is the wider spoken of the two so naturally I use it more, although during time spent working in France, Africa and Canada, my French proficiency was crucial to my role.
Now living in Thailand, my wife is Thai and my children are learning both Thai and English simultaneously. My four year old has already surpassed my own Thai language skills (and that of her international teachers), and I feel it is of paramount importance that she learn both
simultaneously and be fluent in both. My wife is a highly proficient English speaker but we have made the conscious decision that one on one, she talks to our children in Thai, I in English, and as a family we talk in English, as a language it is more accessible to "group" discussion when with friends and family.
I'm sorry but I find your comment exactly what you say it is not... stupid. The major advantage you should be conferring to your students is proficiency in both Thai and English. How do you decide what is the "mother tongue" for a child with parents of different nationalities?
I was only referring to children whose parents speak one language at home as the news article referee to, not families who have two mother tongues spoken at home. Children who live in this environment learn both languages equally well. My point was that children need to know and communicate in their home languages before they become fully able to learn a foriegn one.
What did you do to my post?!
I appreciate your backtracking but you are evidently missing the point. You have these children for far longer each day than any parent does, and so have the majority input into education and nurturing bilingual skills in your students.
I also object to this statement you made "Children and parents are fully aware that at home the school insists they use their mother tongue even when discussing homework that has been set."
How dare you insist anything of the parents, they are paying you to provide an education for their children and you seem to simply be passing the buck back to the parents. How does this attitude work for full-time boarding students I wonder?
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Can't read or write their parents' language. Just a dam_n shame, the incredible depth and breadth of the native literature that will be unavailable to them. Their brains are probably being horribly altered at these schools too, what with those wicked "critical thinking" and "analytical skills" being indoctrinated into them.
****ing foreigners.
This is exactly why Farang schools are NOT allowed in Thailand, until some 20 years ago, it is alleged that some corrupted official from the ministry of education take under table payment and start giving out license for Farang to open school in Thailand.
This has destroyed the language and culture ability of Thai people in Thailand. What a disgrace. I am such our father would have objected.
Sarcasm anyone?!
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My daughter goes to an international school,
she speaks Thai with her friends, as well as some english,
but the Thai program is intentionally intensive.
They know they are building students to connect both worlds
not just either or. But of course if you only learn to speak Thai,
it might be learned faster than if you learn 3 languages at the same time.
This to me is the correct approach. Surely the aim is to build students that connect to both "worlds" freely, and the only way to be truly proficient in multiple languages is to learn them simultaneously. A language learned as a second language, will always be just that, the real opportunity here is in encouraging students to learn both as "native" speakers.
Also very valid point about it taking more time to learn multiple languages simultaneously; my Mother was devastated while I was in Primary school, after a particularly ignorant English teacher accused her of impairing my education by "muddling" my mind with French! I was evidently lagging behind in studies at that point and the school deemed me too young to learn two languages.
The school even tried to encourage my father to talk to my mother and prevent her speaking French to me. Fortunately my father was no fool and told them exactly what he thought of their medieval approach to education. 2 years later I had not just caught up with the class, but overtaken them considerably, and won a full scholarship from a down right terrible state school to one of the most renowned private schools in England.
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Nonsense. I work in one in an international school here. Thai is part of the curriculum both during the day and as a compulsory extra curricular activity. We allow children to use Thai in the classroom and encourage discussion of new learning in their mother tongue Children and parents are fully aware that at home the school insists they use their mother tongue even when discussing homework that has been set. We are not stupid, we are fully aware that children cannot learn a second language until they are fully proficient in their mother tongue. Yes there may be problems with writing amongst some children, but these are a minority and the school provides support to these children. This article is just pandering to the fears and prejudices of those who fear the outside world. Where I work we offer a world class education that ensures our students have the best start possible in life.
I find it very worrying that someone working in an international school would come out with such a statement... We are not stupid, we are fully aware that children cannot learn a second language until they are fully proficient in their mother tongue
What a totally flawed and incorrect statement. How do you apply that comment to mix race children? I personally grew up with French and English as languages... my "mother" tongue is French, my "father" tongue is English. I learnt both simultaneously from birth and enjoyed the massive benefits conferred by speaking two languages fluently, effectively a native of both.
English has always been my "main" language out of practicality; I have worked across the world and English is the wider spoken of the two so naturally I use it more, although during time spent working in France, Africa and Canada, my French proficiency was crucial to my role.
Now living in Thailand, my wife is Thai and my children are learning both Thai and English simultaneously. My four year old has already surpassed my own Thai language skills (and that of her international teachers), and I feel it is of paramount importance that she learn both simultaneously and be fluent in both. My wife is a highly proficient English speaker but we have made the conscious decision that one on one, she talks to our children in Thai, I in English, and as a family we talk in English, as a language it is more accessible to "group" discussion when with friends and family.
I'm sorry but I find your comment exactly what you say it is not... stupid. The major advantage you should be conferring to your students is proficiency in both Thai and English. How do you decide what is the "mother tongue" for a child with parents of different nationalities?
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Sorry but selfish SOB
Posting his last moments for not just the world but his family and friends to see. Outrageous attention seeking.
If you feel there is no other option left to you than suicide then why make people that knew you suffer even more? How do you think his friends in Spain felt knowing a friend in Thailand was dying and they could do nothing.
The only selfish SOB here is you mate. The fact that you post such views sends a very clear message that getting your callous point across is more important to you that the feelings of the deceased's loved ones. That is the epitome of selfishness and also makes you a clear hypocrite. Jog on and go spread your toxic BS on another thread.
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I am sorry but I feel no sorrow for anyone who commits suicide. And to do it online so people can know what is happening is only his way of making people feel sorry for him. Not me.
To this and similar heartless comments, thanks for sharing. Your compassion is overwhelming.
I think most realise that for someone to take their own life they must have been going through either a really traumatic time or mental illness. It is hard for people to understand what could possibly motivate someone to take their own life, as instilled deep within most of us is a strong, primeval desire to live, but that's no excuse for posting such mindless, hurtful comments on an internet forum where you know his friends and family will read them.
I understand why suicide provokes these sort of reactions from people close to the deceased but not from the TV peanut gallery.
I have a good friend whose husband took his own life, having got into considerable debt and done his best to hide it from all, the pressure obviously became too much for him. For some reason he felt he had to hide the problem and couldn't talk to anyone about it. The reality is people would have helped him, he had a loving, supportive family, but for whatever reasons, pride, depression, whatever, he never reached out for help.
He was found by his own children who will live with that memory forever. I understand why his wife resents what he did so strongly and it just makes the situation all the more tragic. I know he loved his children and would never have seen them hurt in life, just awful that by his actions he hurt them more than he could have ever realised with his death...
What I don't understand is why anyone would feel the need to comment like this when they have no personal connection with this man. In my experience everyone reacts differently to death and suicide is often seen as a selfish act, but for someone other than his friends or family to comment like this shows a real lack of compassion. We have no idea what this guy was going through.
RIP Sincere condolences to his friends and family
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Brace yourself Buddy....it's me again.... and....
I completely agree with you. This can only possibly be a good thing for all concerned. I have been considering myself taking a course in something or other, but never liked the idea of going through the Thai university system due to standards of tuition (learn by rote as opposed to critical discussion) as well as the language. Sure they are a piss pot uni but they will hopefully run a solid curriculum, and as I would be doing the course for fun more than anything else, it would be just the ticket.
Also, due to the bribery and corruption laws in the UK where the Dean there can be chucked in jail if anything untoward occurs, I should think it would be squeaky clean.
I wonder if the uniforms will be the same though?
I doubt they'd appreciate being called a piss pot Uni as the 5th largest in the UK but I'm sure they'd appreciate your enthusiasm to enrol!
Perhaps I'm just terribly naive but I just can't see the negatives here. I can't help but wonder if the reaction would have been different had it been Oxford... and quite how that would have benefited the Thai populace unable to apply for any course without sufficient A level grades...
The USA has the 2nd biggest army in the world and they are certainly not the best (or even 2nd best) by a long chalk. Lancs is the 70th best, out of 100 and something. Might be the biggest but that counts for nothing.
Didn't take long...
I was under the impression that "piss pot" meant small, insignificant... perhaps I miss understood you and you were actually calling them a toilet, a toilet where you intend to study... I guess that figures!
Incidentally I see piss pot is also an island in West Virginia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Pot_Island ... only in the the land of the brave!
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Personally I welcome this as a good move that hopefully will see a raising of the educational bar in Thailand. Surely increasing the number of educational establishments and the diversity of them here is a positive thing... although reading the majority of comments I struggle to see that anything would be welcomed as a positive move unless it involved free beer and viagra...
Even if the standards are no better than most existing Thai universities I would have thought that the fact they will be teaching courses in English, would be a great bonus for those seeking to work outside of Thailand in the future. With the preconceptions attached to Thailand, as expressed so succinctly on here daily, I expect many students would prefer to hold a degree from a British Uni as opposed to a Thai one, just to escape the stigma.
Brace yourself Buddy....it's me again.... and....
I completely agree with you. This can only possibly be a good thing for all concerned. I have been considering myself taking a course in something or other, but never liked the idea of going through the Thai university system due to standards of tuition (learn by rote as opposed to critical discussion) as well as the language. Sure they are a piss pot uni but they will hopefully run a solid curriculum, and as I would be doing the course for fun more than anything else, it would be just the ticket.
Also, due to the bribery and corruption laws in the UK where the Dean there can be chucked in jail if anything untoward occurs, I should think it would be squeaky clean.
I wonder if the uniforms will be the same though?
I doubt they'd appreciate being called a piss pot Uni as the 5th largest in the UK but I'm sure they'd appreciate your enthusiasm to enrol!
Perhaps I'm just terribly naive but I just can't see the negatives here. I can't help but wonder if the reaction would have been different had it been Oxford... and quite how that would have benefited the Thai populace unable to apply for any course without sufficient A level grades...
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UK, Cyprus and Thailand.
Two bankrupt countries and one well on the way.
What a pertinent point. Why bother with education in the face of the bankruptcy...
I wonder quite how many of the bankers directly responsible for the economic crisis attended ex-Polytechnics and quite how many hold the same self absorbed, elitist views being spouted on here...
'Sir' Fred Goodwin whose time as CEO saw the fall of Royal Bank of Scotland, is the son of an electrician and a grammar school boy, , who won a scholarship to Glasgow University.
What''s your point? He achieved entry to a prestigeous University on his own merits, not because of family connections.
History wil probably show he was reponsible for one of the larger banking collapses in British banking history
What life shows, there are successes and failures at all levels and from all backgrounds.
Sorry what's yours?!
Mine was that just because you went to a well known University doesn't mean you are necessarily any better than someone who attended a Polytechnic turned University. In fact looking at those responsible for the economic crash (not something I brought into the topic as relevant, because quite clearly it isn't), the reverse seems to be true, as those showing excessive greed, selfishness and ignorance to the extent it has rocked the entire world economy are in fact not the product of the ex-Polys but a result of the more internationally recognised elitist establishments.
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I can visualise it now --- " Wercome to the Blitish Uniwersity ". Arr our teachERS serpeak wery good Engrish...and so on
Would it not run along the lines of a proper international school, where the majority of academic staff are suitably qualified native speakers? I'd imagine so.
I think it would but spending a few years in the Thai branch of what was Preston Poly will not be seen as a career enhancing move by high flying British academics. So they will inevitably have to fill gaps with teachers from places like India, Malaysia, the Philppines etc. They will also be under great pressure to dumb down admission standards and graduate everyone to conform with academics norms in the host country. Foreign students will come but more likely from Asia and Africa than Europe. Standards will be far lower than the UK but far higher than most Thai universities and students will also have to be fairly proficient in Englilsh. Look at Stamford in Cha Am as a model of what is likely to happen.
So we can add racist as another one of your qualities...
God forbid, teachers from places like India, Malaysia, the Philippines etc? Next they'll be employing doctors and nurses from these countries in the UK, to make up for the shortage in suitable UK applicants... err.. hang on?
Students from Asia and Africa? It just gets worse, doesn't anyone realise that these people are sub standard and don't deserve any higher education?
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I can see why they opted to change the name!
Care to elaborate? Is your issue with Preston specifically or Polytechnics in general?
Both actually
Thanks for clarifying that, good to know that your comments are based purely on bigotry and not substance or facts...
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I have never heard of The University of Central Lancashire and I was brought up in Lancashire.
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I believe UCLan was once called Preston Polytechnic
I can see why they opted to change the name!
Care to elaborate? Is your issue with Preston specifically or Polytechnics in general?
The ignorance on display is tangible... this is the 5th largest Uni in the UK, yes it used to be a Polytechnic, as did the following Universities:
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Anglia Ruskin University, formerly Anglia Polytechnic (located in Cambridge and Chelmsford)
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Birmingham City University, formerly Birmingham Polytechnic
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University of Brighton, formerly Brighton Polytechnic
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Bournemouth University, formerly Bournemouth Polytechnic
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University of Central Lancashire, formerly Lancashire Polytechnic
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Coventry University, formerly Coventry Polytechnic
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De Montfort University, formerly Leicester Polytechnic
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University of East London, formerly Polytechnic of East London
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University of Greenwich, formerly Thames Polytechnic
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University of Hertfordshire, formerly Hatfield Polytechnic
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University of Huddersfield, formerly Huddersfield Polytechnic
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Kingston University, formerly Kingston Polytechnic
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Leeds Metropolitan University, formerly Leeds Polytechnic
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University of Lincoln, formerly Humberside Polytechnic
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Liverpool John Moores University, formerly Liverpool Polytechnic
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London Metropolitan University, formerly City of London Polytechnic and Polytechnic of North London
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Manchester Metropolitan University, formerly Manchester Polytechnic
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Middlesex University, formerly Middlesex Polytechnic
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University of Northumbria at Newcastle, formerly Newcastle Polytechnic
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Nottingham Trent University, formerly Trent Polytechnic (later Nottingham Polytechnic)
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Oxford Brookes University, formerly Oxford Polytechnic
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University of Plymouth, formerly Polytechnic South West
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University of Portsmouth, formerly Portsmouth Polytechnic
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Sheffield Hallam University, formerly Sheffield Polytechnic
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South Bank University, formerly South Bank Polytechnic (in London)
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Staffordshire University, formerly Staffordshire Polytechnic
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University of Sunderland, formerly Sunderland Polytechnic
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Teesside University, formerly Teesside Polytechnic
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Thames Valley University, formerly Polytechnic of West London
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University of the West of England, formerly Bristol Polytechnic
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University of Westminster, formerly Polytechnic of Central London and the Royal Polytechnic Institution
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University of Wolverhampton, formerly Wolverhampton Polytechnic
Please feel free to pour scorn on them all because they are not called Oxford or Cambridge...
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Anglia Ruskin University, formerly Anglia Polytechnic (located in Cambridge and Chelmsford)
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It's not so much "snobbery' and class consciousness, but rather their (UCLAN's) own conception of what a university constitutes, as here:
We will focus on providing English programmes, IT, engineering, business management, fashion and design.
That is the sort of stuff that used to get taught (no doubt competently) by technical colleges.
The polytechnics were getting along quite nicely with their own business when Thatcher came along and imposed her own brand of class consciousness on the British university scene, converting all the polys into universities overnight, and thus revealing the shallowness of her own narcissistic mind.
The Polytechnics weren't converted into Universities under Maggie Thatcher.
Margaret Thatcher's reign as Prime Minister ended in 1990. The further and higher education act of 1992 brought about the change from Polytechnic to University and brought about the major change in that these institutions could award their own degrees, which formerly they couldn't, making them fully fledged Universities. It was primarily because of this former lack of degree-awarding powers that there was a general misconception that they were somehow inferior to "real" Universities.
Some polytechnics were often seen as ranking below universities in the provision of higher education because they lacked degree-awarding powers, concentrated on applied education for work and had less research than the universities, and because the qualifications necessary to gain a place in one were lower than for a university (the failure rate in the first year of undergraduate courses was high due to a rigorous filtering process). However, in terms of an undergraduate education this was a misconception since many polytechnics offered academic degrees validated by the CNAA from bachelor and Masters degree to PhD research degrees. Also professional degrees in, for instance, engineering, town planning, law, and architecture were rigorously validated by various professional institutions. Many polytechnics argued that a CNAA degree was often superior to many university degrees, due to the external independent validation process employed by the CNAA, and innovations such as sandwich degrees. Such innovations made a Polytechnic education more relevant for professional work.
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UK, Cyprus and Thailand.
Two bankrupt countries and one well on the way.
What a pertinent point. Why bother with education in the face of the bankruptcy...
I wonder quite how many of the bankers directly responsible for the economic crisis attended ex-Polytechnics and quite how many hold the same self absorbed, elitist views being spouted on here...
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What a bunch of moronic comments. You guys really need to pull your heads out your own <deleted>. If you are shining examples of graduates from "real" British Unis you make a good case for avoiding such establishments...
Polytechnic? Oh my god, how awful... I cringe at your comments. How out of touch are you people? Elitist muppets, the lot of you.
The number of universities in Britain almost doubled this fall, as 38 former polytechnic schools or colleges changed status and names - ending a distinction that had more to do with the nation's deep-rooted class-consciousness than academic reality.
For years, the polytechnics have been turning out some of Britain's best scientists and technologists - without neglecting the humanities and social sciences - while being seen by much of the general public as second best to the traditional universities.... many people looked down on the polytechnics "out of snobbery or ignorance."
I don't think anyone is saying The University of Central Lancashire is not a good university just because it was formerly a polytechnic.
The fact is standards vary between universities and are measured and compared via various rankings, none of which rank this university towards the top.
Where would you prefer your children to study if they had a choice between Cambridge University or Anglia Ruskin University (formerly Anglia polytechnic)?
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Really? The comments read like a bunch of elitist, immature private school boys pouring scorn on those less privileged, directed specifically at the fact that this University used to be a Polytechnic. You seem to have a selective memory, try reading back your own words.
If this is any sort of indication of the outlook and level of maturity that establishments like Cambridge are nurturing in their students it's a sorry indication of how badly the ranking systems are devised.
As a working class lad that was "fortunate" enough to gain a scholarship to a well known private school and witnessed the widespread idiocy and ignorance that's endemic in the private/ public school system in the UK, from which pool the vast majority of the top Universities select applicants, I feel well placed to say that these rankings are elitist BS, tailored to keep rich families paying exorbitant fees to send their spoilt little darlings to schools like Eaton, which in turn gives them much better chances of being selected for the higher ranked Universities.
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I have never heard of The University of Central Lancashire and I was brought up in Lancashire.
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I believe UCLan was once called Preston Polytechnic
I wish they had mentioned that in the article. I would have laughed even more.
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Right, these are not 'real' universities but the Thais won't know that.
What a bunch of moronic comments. You guys really need to pull your heads out your own <deleted>. If you are shining examples of graduates from "real" British Unis you make a good case for avoiding such establishments...
Polytechnic? Oh my god, how awful... I cringe at your comments. How out of touch are you people? Elitist muppets, the lot of you.
The number of universities in Britain almost doubled this fall, as 38 former polytechnic schools or colleges changed status and names - ending a distinction that had more to do with the nation's deep-rooted class-consciousness than academic reality.
For years, the polytechnics have been turning out some of Britain's best scientists and technologists - without neglecting the humanities and social sciences - while being seen by much of the general public as second best to the traditional universities.... many people looked down on the polytechnics "out of snobbery or ignorance."
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Personally I welcome this as a good move that hopefully will see a raising of the educational bar in Thailand. Surely increasing the number of educational establishments and the diversity of them here is a positive thing... although reading the majority of comments I struggle to see that anything would be welcomed as a positive move unless it involved free beer and viagra...
Even if the standards are no better than most existing Thai universities I would have thought that the fact they will be teaching courses in English, would be a great bonus for those seeking to work outside of Thailand in the future. With the preconceptions attached to Thailand, as expressed so succinctly on here daily, I expect many students would prefer to hold a degree from a British Uni as opposed to a Thai one, just to escape the stigma.
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True Switched Over To The New Encryption ?
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I agree the True supplied HDD prices are outrageous, you would do much better sourcing your own and you don't need to stick to the "recommended" HDDs... I am in the process of testing a bunch of different HDDs (just waiting on an overseas delivery) and will post details of the models that work when possible. I also agree that the extra 99 baht charge is OTT... I didn't even realise it was being levied until I got my bill!
As for the general quality of the Samsung receiver, don't really have any complaints. It has all the connections you could expect and personally I like the fact that the PSU and HDD are external. The Samsung TV controls on the remote are also a nice touch for those with Samsung Screens...