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http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run/

Wow ,, I have completely missed this...

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders.

I don't care either way...all many of us want to see is the criminals in this awful case convicted and jailed.

If you don't care,, then why are you making statements that you can't back up later...

You're muddling what I have said.

Let's find out what exactly happened that night and identify all of the people in the CCTV and who were around that evening and take proper statements and questioning.

Well that is what should have happened from the start.

The chances of a result in this case dwindle by the day IMHO....and the arrival of the UK police is the only bright note in a bleak picture.

And in truth when I say I don't care...what I really mean is all that matters is bringing the criminals here to justice in fairness... Nothing more.

Ok, I got it now. Cool.

Maybe police have already done what you just wish... Maybe some day the police report / investigation will become public .. (wikileaks plz?) And we will see... Obviously the police have taken statements and seen way more CCTV than they tell everyone in mass media... Just because something has not been reported in mass media doesn't mean it hasn't happened... That being said.. I too suspect that they have not made a proper investigation,,, the presence of the uk police points that way too Glad we agree

*edit* I do remember police saying that they can't take the CCTV from AC BAR etc because it is up to the owner of the CCTV to give it up to police only if they want....

*edit2* The investigation was almost 900 pages ... so obviously they have done alot of work... then agian... having had a glimpse of thai bureaucracy it's possible that those 900 pages is just a 100 nine-page reports on different immigration workers that they did dna tests on...

this is of course one of the main reasons that there is a UK detective squad there

they are very aware of the way the case unfoled, and all the dramatic reversals that occured,

this CCTV footage of someone clearly pacing the scene, who the RTP first stated was their #1 suspect,

and actually asked for the public's help in turning him in

then,

poof,

no more interest in the publics help,

and, neither of the two Burmese fit the description

but the public is supposed to swallow all this because they are being threatened to shut up, or else

Amy reasonable police would be asking for help in identifying these guys....and if they were truly certain of having the suspects in custody would be saying give us more time to probe it please...not threatening people with jail time for questioning their suspicious activities.

Just shows us all more of the same....and this is coming from the top...aren't these guys supposed to be smart?

Defamation laws exist and are serious in Thailand... It is absolutely possible that Nom Sod and the village headman and his family and his biz have been and are being defamed on a massive scale here... Obviously the Village headman have pressed the police to stop this.. As would anyone... And the police are obviously taking it seriously because it's obviously true that defamation is going on!

You mean to tell me their first concern is not in catching a group of murderous rapists?

That's not at all what i'm saying... Obviously they already have their scapegoats, so that part of the case is almost over (or so they hope),, and now they are doing something for the defamation case...

*edit* You have a point that I agree with... This has been pointed out numerous times... But one of their top priorities seems to be tourist high season coming now.... So that could easily be one of the reasons they really want to press social media users into silence... They want all this to go away before high season...

*edit2* When i Say "their top priorities" I mean the regime is pressuring police etc... It's a mess...

That the RTP don't know who this kid in the CCTV is simply shows how incompetent the whole investigation has been.

You say incompetent.. How did you rule out corruption?

I don't care either way...all many of us want to see is the criminals in this awful case convicted and jailed.

If you don't care,, then why are you making statements that you can't back up later...

*edit* I also want the criminals convicted and jailed... possibly executed in the case they find out that police have been involved in protecting the real criminals..

That the RTP don't know who this kid in the CCTV is simply shows how incompetent the whole investigation has been.

this is of course one of the main reasons that there is a UK detective squad there

they are very aware of the way the case unfoled, and all the dramatic reversals that occured,

this CCTV footage of someone clearly pacing the scene, who the RTP first stated was their #1 suspect,

and actually asked for the public's help in turning him in

then,

poof,

no more interest in the publics help,

and, neither of the two Burmese fit the description

but the public is supposed to swallow all this because they are being threatened to shut up, or else

Amy reasonable police would be asking for help in identifying these guys....and if they were truly certain of having the suspects in custody would be saying give us more time to probe it please...not threatening people with jail time for questioning their suspicious activities.

Just shows us all more of the same....and this is coming from the top...aren't these guys supposed to be smart?

Defamation laws exist and are serious in Thailand... It is absolutely possible that Nom Sod and the village headman and his family and his biz have been and are being defamed on a massive scale here... Obviously the Village headman have pressed the police to stop this.. As would anyone... And the police are obviously taking it seriously because it's obviously true that defamation is going on!

That the RTP don't know who this kid in the CCTV is simply shows how incompetent the whole investigation has been.

You say incompetent.. How did you rule out corruption?

This assumes completely that the BIB have been honest and upfront from the start.

The odds that there is no DNA in the condom is ludicrously low, so that is probably a wash job. There could have been 10 peoples DNA in the victim, but if the front is to fit up two Burmese , of course there would only be a report of two DNA hits.

I don't beleive anything the cops say about how many people were involved because they have zero credibility. Zero

I agree that they have zero credibility,, but that doesn't mean they must be lying.

The reaction of the prosecutor says enough for me. They have botched and tried to jiggle a case together that is basically bs.

Is it possible the prosecution would have that reaction due to police incompetence,,,, is police lying the only explanation?

*edit* deleted my own post .. it was bad

From what I've seen they all are so please do us all a favour and delete all of them.

Thank you.

After you

*edit* Thank you

I think the saddest thing is people don't even realize how out there they sound and even go so far as submitting proof through a link that clearly states technology is not currently available to determine a person by their walk and certainly the facebook morons not using such technology and ignoring the fact that such idiotic internet detective work is not needs as it has been investigated and confirmed the kid wasn't on the island and they have matching dna to the two suspects in custody and this kid now has volunteered his dna in hopes it will stop such lunatic gossip and rumor based on idiocy.

From the link provided above ...

But despite more than three decades of research, using gait analysis as a biometric has never taken off. Until now, perhaps. Recent advances in the accuracy of automated gait recognition suggest the technology could soon form the basis for a new generation of security systems.

Still you make it sound like it would be impossible to match someone based on walking style,, while researchers believe it's like a fingerprint...

How many people have been convicted based on gait analysis? How many on fingerprints?

By the way, how many murders have these anonymous Columbos at CSI LA solved?

I think you know the answers to those questions already.... but what is your point?

*edit* *spoiler alert* I do think it is possible,, As a youngster I found myself mimicking the walking styles of some rapper I liked ... One of my friends pointed it out to me because I was doing it subconsciously...

...but not at 4:49am in the morning two times near the crime scene.

I agree with "seahorse", in this point the case is closed.

You believe the subconscious does only mimick people during certain hours

Totally wrong.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528835.600-cameras-know-you-by-your-walk.html

Cameras know you by your walk

The unique way someone walks can betray who they are with almost as much accuracy as fingerprints, scientists have found.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8815241/What-the-way-you-walk-can-reveal-about-you.html

The way Nom Sod walks is unique. The two videos show a person with the same gait.

Case closed.

I've been asking this allover and tried to find it on google:

Is it possible that close friends or relatives mimmick the same walking style of an alpha male? Subconsciously perhaps?

So IF the person seen running on CCTV in Koh Tao and Nom Sod have the same walking style, is it not possible that they simply mimick eachother or a third alpha male in a close group (family,friends,whatever)?

*edit* *spoiler alert* I do think it is possible,, As a youngster I found myself mimicking the walking styles of some rapper I liked ... One of my friends pointed it out to me because I was doing it subconsciously...

I think the saddest thing is people don't even realize how out there they sound and even go so far as submitting proof through a link that clearly states technology is not currently available to determine a person by their walk and certainly the facebook morons not using such technology and ignoring the fact that such idiotic internet detective work is not needs as it has been investigated and confirmed the kid wasn't on the island and they have matching dna to the two suspects in custody and this kid now has volunteered his dna in hopes it will stop such lunatic gossip and rumor based on idiocy.

From the link provided above ...

But despite more than three decades of research, using gait analysis as a biometric has never taken off. Until now, perhaps. Recent advances in the accuracy of automated gait recognition suggest the technology could soon form the basis for a new generation of security systems.

Still you make it sound like it would be impossible to match someone based on walking style,, while researchers believe it's like a fingerprint...

A negative DNA test will only confirm that he was not one of the rapists. It will not prove whether he was involved in the murder or not.

There were two bareback rapists whose semen was found inside the victim. A third man had sex with her using a condom violently enough to leave traces of her blood on the outside of the condom but, mysteriously, no traces of DNA in the inside. This third man could conceivably have been David before the death squad arrived but that doesn't seem very likely, as there were no other traces of his DNA found on Hannah. So there could have been three rapists and, as you suggest, and several murderers, not to mention accessories to and after the fact. It is strange that the police investigation limited itself to the two pint sized suspects. Initially they said that whoever took down David must have been physically big and strong, given David's fit 6'6" frame.

This assumes completely that the BIB have been honest and upfront from the start.

The odds that there is no DNA in the condom is ludicrously low, so that is probably a wash job. There could have been 10 peoples DNA in the victim, but if the front is to fit up two Burmese , of course there would only be a report of two DNA hits.

I don't beleive anything the cops say about how many people were involved because they have zero credibility. Zero

I agree that they have zero credibility,, but that doesn't mean they must be lying.

What phone records would he have? How do you know the police didn't check with the phone company? How do you know what police did to publicly state he had been cleared after publicly stating they suspected he was involved?

The DNA test is an attempt to silence some of the conspiracy nuts who are accusing this family without basis but of course this will not work and will just make conspiracy theorists double down on their claims. And of course the DNA will not match as they already have the suspects whose DNA it matches in custody.

Meanwhile, Police have also offered to allow the DNA of the two suspects be retested ... but another worthless point in trying to convince conspiracy theorists they will just demand more and find other reasons to point the finger at somebody they have no proof against except fantasy.

The latest from Facebook is to compare the headman's video of the son in Bangkok the morning of the killing with video from the previous night. They are running it side by side to show they two could be the same person despite the only similarity being they both at least appear to be Asian and both walk on two legs and move their arms, like most people when they walk.

Totally wrong.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528835.600-cameras-know-you-by-your-walk.html

Cameras know you by your walk

The unique way someone walks can betray who they are with almost as much accuracy as fingerprints, scientists have found.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8815241/What-the-way-you-walk-can-reveal-about-you.html

The way Nom Sod walks is unique. The two videos show a person with the same gait.

Case closed.

I've been asking this allover and tried to find it on google:

Is it possible that close friends or relatives mimmick the same walking style of an alpha male? Subconsciously perhaps?

So IF the person seen running on CCTV in Koh Tao and Nom Sod have the same walking style, is it not possible that they simply mimick eachother or a third alpha male in a close group (family,friends,whatever)?

*edit* *spoiler alert* I do think it is possible,, As a youngster I found myself mimicking the walking styles of some rapper I liked ... One of my friends pointed it out to me because I was doing it subconsciously...

In Sweden there are laws that prevents politicians to pressure the legal system into certain decisions... It is up to the legal system to handle cases.. It is up to politicians to make laws... Does Thailand have similar laws?

*edit* and if thailand does have such laws, do they apply to the military regime?

*edit2* I see HEAVY pressure coming from the regime towards the court for a quick and decisive decision in this case....

A negative DNA test will only confirm that he was not one of the rapists. It will not prove whether he was involved in the murder or not.

It will be up to the court to decide what all these DNA tests mean,,, I think it's possible that the court rules that all the DNA evidence is unreliable because it hasn't been handled profesionally (no forensic experts on the crime scene,, crime scene "violated" by non police bystanders (mafia))

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The police chief certainly had something to smile about today and it wasn't to do with Nomsod's DNA test. His shares in Watana Capital moved up another 16% today and he and his wife have doubled the B360 million they invested in this loss making penny stock in a private placement at B0.36 that was announced to the SET following the company's 6 October board meeting in less than a month. The stock is now trading at B0.07. With a nose like that for undervalued penny stocks he should consider giving up poorly paid police work and becoming a day trader.

Hush, might get you into trouble, when he would be investigated for possible insiders' trading...

It is public information that is available on the SET's website.

Websites are forbidden under martial law.

Acs.org

Please try to be more polite in future just in case you don't know what you are talking about.

http://www.acs.org/content/acs//pressroom/presspacs/2010/acs-presspac-august-4-2010/fast-forensic-test-can-match-suspects-dna-with-crime-samples-in-four-hours.html en

Fast forensic test can match suspects DNA with crime samples in four hours

Yes, this is under development, potentially useful, but not yet adopted as a forensic technique even in advanced western labs, never mind by the comparatively limited Thai forensic services.

The actual reference from 2010 says:

" By integrating such an instrument and microfluidic cartridge with the forensic process, we believe it will be possible in the near future to process a DNA sample taken from an individual in police custody and compare the profile with the DNA profiles held on a DNA Database in as little as 3 h."

Clearly, believing something "will be possible in the near future" on the basis of a research paper is not the same as it actually being possible currently, in routine forensic analysis.

It simply isn't done NOW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2011_April_12#.282.29_How_long_does_DNA_testing_take.2C_and_why.3F

The actual DNA test can be done in hours. It consists of a) isolation PCR c) DNA fingerprinting. The entire sequence can be completed by a technician within a few hours; the average DNA analyst can, by staggering procedures, probably churn through several in a day. The reason that real cops and prosecutors wait weeks or months for results is that there is a backlog of submitted evidence. Occasionally, a high-profile case will get rushed, but generally it is first come-first served, and everyone waits in line.

Sounds like it is being done now..

He should have given more evidence at the start that he was in Bangkok, not just a couple of sketchy video stills. In a city where almost everything is filmed, add to that his phone records and his receipts etc. If I was in his position and had his means I would have dug up all the proof possible when the rumours started.

Its all a bit late now in my opinion to quell the rumours, he has been found guilty by social media rightly or wrongly.

What phone records would he have? How do you know the police didn't check with the phone company? How do you know what police did to publicly state he had been cleared after publicly stating they suspected he was involved?

The DNA test is an attempt to silence some of the conspiracy nuts who are accusing this family without basis but of course this will not work and will just make conspiracy theorists double down on their claims. And of course the DNA will not match as they already have the suspects whose DNA it matches in custody.

Meanwhile, Police have also offered to allow the DNA of the two suspects be retested ... but another worthless point in trying to convince conspiracy theorists they will just demand more and find other reasons to point the finger at somebody they have no proof against except fantasy.

The latest from Facebook is to compare the headman's video of the son in Bangkok the morning of the killing with video from the previous night. They are running it side by side to show they two could be the same person despite the only similarity being they both at least appear to be Asian and both walk on two legs and move their arms, like most people when they walk.

What phone records would he have? How do you know the police didn't check with the phone company? How do you know what police did to publicly state he had been cleared after publicly stating they suspected he was involved?

Good point about the phone records.. Just because something hasn't been reported doesn't mean we know it didn't happen.. The police could have gone through phone records.. They also could not have.. we don't know at this time.. and unless the full investigation is released to the public (they do this in sweden) we may never know.

The DNA test is an attempt to silence some of the conspiracy nuts who are accusing this family without basis but of course this will not work and will just make conspiracy theorists double down on their claims. And of course the DNA will not match as they already have the suspects whose DNA it matches in custody.

Meanwhile, Police have also offered to allow the DNA of the two suspects be retested ... but another worthless point in trying to convince conspiracy theorists they will just demand more and find other reasons to point the finger at somebody they have no proof against except fantasy.

Yeah testing his dna makes no sense in my mind.. I mean,, how could it possible match when the scapegoats dna is already matching... makes zero sense... but obviously you are right,, they are ATTEMPTING to silence some of the conspiracy nuts,, those that scream conspiracy but are stupid and illogical (as opposed to me, smart and logical:) The main point here is that police either have the right suspects,,, OR they have already swapped the dna samples from the victims bodies with those of the scapegoats... Either way,, further dna tests will give the same results... the question remains,, did police swap the dna from the victims .. i think it's not unlikely that they did... I believe it's thai police mo to fake evidence to frame suspects to make crimes go away.. they wanted this solved and gone way before the high season.. ofcourse i could be wrong.

The latest from Facebook is to compare the headman's video of the son in Bangkok the morning of the killing with video from the previous night. They are running it side by side to show they two could be the same person despite the only similarity being they both at least appear to be Asian and both walk on two legs and move their arms, like most people when they walk.

http://www.southampton.ac.uk/research/southamptonstories/medhealthlife/walk_this_way.html

In fact, we all have a signature walking style that can be identified much like a fingerprint. Realising this, engineers from Southampton’s School of Electronics and Computer Science (ECS) have been working on a computer system that can analyse the gait of criminals caught on CCTV and then compare them with those of a suspect.

I have sent an email to the professor behind the research, including the video you mentioned.. Hope he replies,.. That being said,, I have viewed the video multiple times and I'm not 100% confident it's him... But I have no training in recognizing walking styles...

It reminds me of playing led zeppelin backwards ... first you hear nothing,, and then someone tells you: "listen at xx:xx, he clearly says i love satan" .. and then you hear it .. looking at the video i feel the same way... "look it's the same" "yes"

That being said,, he has some weird characteristics that not everyone has...

Isn't it also possible that the walking style is mimicked by close friends and relatives subconsciously,, specially if the person with the walking style is an "alpha male" that people looks up too..

In other words, isn't it possible that the unidentified person is someone close to Nom Sod ..

so 6 weeks later the son the headman, the real culprit did feel the urge to comply with the law.... what a joke! a sickening joke!

of course the result will be tampered, dont forget the tourism here, is a multi billon US Dollars industry... in thailand money rules!

Police had previously cleared him and determined he was not on the island when this happened. There is no law he violated and was never compelled to provide DNA sample. However his father and uncle were taken into custody and compelled and provided DNA samples.

Even this sample is not being provided as evidence in the case (they already cleared him and matched the crime scene DNA to suspects in custody) but rather to try to quiet some online conspiracy theorists who demanded he be tested ... but we all now this will not quiet them as they just move to one nonsense theory and demand they need fulfilled to believe to another and they feign outrage over untrue fantasies like this kid didn't comply with the law for 6 weeks.

Wipe you mouth the bs running out , what a stupid statement saying the sample is not being provided as evidence .

So if it proves positive do you think they are just going to let him go .?

Did you even read the OP? 1) Police have already cleared him 2) Koh Tao Leader's Son Gives DNA Sample to Quell Controversy

This is not part of the police investigation. Use your head, the DNA has already been matched to the suspects in custody it would be IMPOSSIBLE for it to match this kid too.

Exactly,,, So it makes no sense to test him at this point... unless the police themselves admit that they may have made a mistake when testing the scapegoats.. lol

*Edit* Testing him again is violating my logical mind... it makes no sense.. yet they make a big deal out of it and spend money on it etc... It's raping my logical mind... I almost want to scream out loud.. how stupid are these people...

It is possible to get DNA test results in less than 24 hours if using the latest technology. The new wiz bang testers take only 4 hours or so.

I have no idea what hardware is in use in Thailand.

nonsense. quote your source please. I think you have no idea, period.

Acs.org

Please try to be more polite in future just in case you don't know what you are talking about.

This is not a link. Please quote your source, specifically for the four hour DNA profiling test, with a link that can be followed and verified.

http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/pressroom/presspacs/2010/acs-presspac-august-4-2010/fast-forensic-test-can-match-suspects-dna-with-crime-samples-in-four-hours.html

This test today may have been a nice little set up with very high authorities knowing that the Burmese are scapegoats and there DNA does not match . Maybe today they used a red herring to catch the real culprit . Tomorrow we should know.

So,, you are speculating that they will say "oh sorry the scapegoats dna tests was just a mistake.. NOW WE ARE SURE THIS TIME" .. If any court would accept the DNA tests as evidence today, and i say IF .. Then after yet another mistake they would just have to throw out all the dna from evidence...

In other words, for your theory to come through, the police would need to admit to having mistakenly matched the scapegoats dna wrong.. And in admitting that, the courts would throw out all dna evidence.. future and present..

In other words,, not going to happen,... or maybe i'm overestimating the IQ of the police again... very easy to do

Let's wait for the DNA results, but for this to be a full on conspiracy, it would mean the involvment of:

1) RTP

2) Chulalongkorn Hospital

3) Siriraj Hospital

4) Ramathibodi Hospital

5) Police General Hospital

6) An airline (for Nomsod's flight)

7) Staff at a Thai airport

8) Staff at the dorm (CCTV/security guys)

9) Scotland Yard (possibly could be done without them knowing, but I doubt it)

10) A boatman (to get him off the island)

11) Phone companies

12) Driver (from Surat Thani to airport?)

13) Staff at the university

14) Classmates at university

Just one break in that link and you've got him. Who knows, maybe they have? I wouldn't hold my breath though.

All the above would be needed for a conspiracy imo. Some of it may be possible, but ot all of it. This guy is the son of a village Headman. Not Kim Jong-Un.

1) RTP <-- Yes, they are involved in the conspiracy

2) Chulalongkorn Hospital <-- Nope, they don't need to be involved,, they simply get sample A and sample B and tell if it's matching. They are not present when the samples are obtained.

3) Siriraj Hospital <-- Nope, they don't need to be involved,, they simply get sample A and sample B and tell if it's matching. They are not present when the samples are obtained.

4) Ramathibodi Hospital <-- Nope, they don't need to be involved,, they simply get sample A and sample B and tell if it's matching. They are not present when the samples are obtained.

5) Police General Hospital <-- Nope, they don't need to be involved,, they simply get sample A and sample B and tell if it's matching. They are not present when the samples are obtained.

6) An airline (for Nomsod's flight) <-- Nope, they have no obligation to go through their flight records unless police or court request them..

7) Staff at a Thai airport <-- Highly unlikely that they remember seeing Nom Sod... they see too many people every day... Nom Sod was not exactly a famous person until a week or so after the murders.

8) Staff at the dorm (CCTV/security guys) <-- Yes, they probably would need to be involved.

9) Scotland Yard (possibly could be done without them knowing, but I doubt it) <-- Nope, Scotland Yard already suspects/knows that this is a frameup, otherwise they wouldn't be here.. The problem is that they need to prove it without causing a diplomatic incident and breaking Thai law .. They are officially not allowed to investigate but simply to observe.

10) A boatman (to get him off the island) <-- Yes

11) Phone companies <-- No, police/court would need to make a warrant first.. Phone companies doesn't even have a right to start their own investigation without a court order, it would be a violation of privacy.

12) Driver (from Surat Thani to airport?) <-- Maybe, depends on what he remembers...

13) Staff at the university <-- Nope, Nom Sod was skipping school because he was so upset about the murders (his words)

14) Classmates at university <-- Nope, Nom Sod was skipping school because he was so upset about the murders (his words)

So your reduced list is

1) RTP

8) Staff at the dorm (CCTV/security guys) <-- Yes, they probably would need to be involved.

10) A boatman (to get him off the island) <-- Yes, very likely! although there is a tiny small chance that he didn't remember / recognize Nom Sod..

12) Driver (from Surat Thani to airport?) <-- Maybe, depends on what he remembers... again, Nom Sod was not famous recognizable figure at the time..

So,, the police are in their pockets, this has been collaborated by tons of Koh Tao people.. And anyone living in thailand a couple of years must have paid bribes a couple of times.. I allegedly have ,..

8) Staff at the dorm (CCTV/security guys) <--,,, This is probably where we could get a leak ... because everyone working in that dorm (actually condo) must be aware that their CCTV is a major piece of evidence in the crime.. So they all must be asking about it .. They are probably between 5 and 20 people working there including cleaning staff etc... The security minimum 5 guys right? They would all be able to check it out for themselves out of curiosity ...

10) A boatman (to get him off the island) <-- easy to pay .. probably only 1-2 guys.. not rich.. can need a good cash payment

12) Driver (from Surat Thani to airport?) <-- easy to pay .. probably only 1 guy.. not rich.. can need a good cash payment

It's like listening to children moaning.

Just once in your life people try to get off your high horses and wait for the outcome.

Now if you believe it or not, it's up to you to query it for the rest of your lives.

Has any independent outside 3rd party witnessed the collection and testing of dna sample from the body of Hannah?

Yes, the manager of intouch resort escorted police through the crime scene that morning. He is a trusted member of the local community.

This is such a non-event it is painful. Here we see a swab happening. What we aren't seeing is the samples being compared by a reputable, unbiased (through donation), organisation. Have the UK been handed a swab too?

it seems that th UK is the holy grail for many of you guys,every forensic institution OUTSIDE of Thailand could do it.

Any other forensic institution would need to

A) Trust the samples given to them from the thai police (makes zero sense.)

DIG UP the bodies of the victims and take new DNA samples (makes zero sense... although i guess it's halloween or something)

C) Get the DNA samples from the UK first.. in which case,, it's easier if the UK does it.. and there's why everyone suggests that the UK should do the testing .. Assuming that the UK has reliable samples from the victims bodies... I doubt any court in the west would trust the DNA samples from the victims bodies in any case since it's proven that mafia members walked on the crime scene with police on the morning of the crime...

The samples are not in the UK. None of them

If that's the case DNA tests have no meaning at this point unless we start digging up bodies or want the scapegoats to be found guilty.

This is such a non-event it is painful. Here we see a swab happening. What we aren't seeing is the samples being compared by a reputable, unbiased (through donation), organisation. Have the UK been handed a swab too?

it seems that th UK is the holy grail for many of you guys,every forensic institution OUTSIDE of Thailand could do it.

Any other forensic institution would need to

A) Trust the samples given to them from the thai police (makes zero sense.)

DIG UP the bodies of the victims and take new DNA samples (makes zero sense... although i guess it's halloween or something)

C) Get the DNA samples from the UK first.. in which case,, it's easier if the UK does it.. and there's why everyone suggests that the UK should do the testing .. Assuming that the UK has reliable samples from the victims bodies... I doubt any court in the west would trust the DNA samples from the victims bodies in any case since it's proven that mafia members walked on the crime scene with police on the morning of the crime...