northernjohn

They said Dr Narong is the person who ordered hospital staff nationwide to dress in black to mourn “democracy in the country.”

poor old dr narong probably couldnt spell democracy with a dictionary in front of him.

Why is it that these doctors IQ drop 100 points immediately , as soon as they put on their yellow shirts ?

Even so, they are still clearly 100pts higher than you

unlikely.

I am a Mensa member .

Posted the way you posted your reply that is highly unlikely.

A Mensa member would have capitalized the unlikely.

I see where your fellow Mensa members are having a major rally at Ayutthaya sports stadium on Saturday, March 15.

Apparently the chairwoman will be Tida Thawornseth.

Yet if a red shirt is injured these doctors will deliver the same treatment as they would to a PDRC supporter. The doctors and nurses will nurse them back to health as they would anyone.

What a stupid statement this is "One redshirt said he did not understand why the permanent secretary has to mourn democracy when in fact democracy still lives in the country" when this statement is also in the OP, "Carrying placards and banners with the words “ Sisaket people do not welcome you”"

Well Mr farmer let me dumb this down for you - In a democracy, every citizen including Dr Narong, has certain basic rights that the state cannot take away from them. These rights are internationally recognized and guaranteed. Everyone has the right to have their own beliefs, and to say and write what they think.

In one breath this UDD supporter have said "we have a democracy", but in that same breath say "we do not respect your democratic rights to have your own beliefs"

That's PTP / UDD logic right there.

I kinda see where the esteemed Dr Narong is coming from.

And as far as "we do not want corrupt government" banners. One would think the red shirts would welcome those banners. One would think no one wants corrupt governments. They didn't mention we don't want corrupt PTP governments. Would the red shirts be happier if the banners read "We do want corrupt governments"?

If the red shirts are offended by these banners that says more about their acceptance of corruption than anything else.

So from this OP it is shown through the Red's actions that they have no idea what democracy is and they support corruption.

We done again red shirts. No one needs to point out your stupidity. You can do a fine job of that all by yourself!

Well perhaps the good doctor and his hospital should concentrate on what they do best - health care. I really don't see politicking as one of the core compentencies required in the health care profession. Certain doctors like this one and the one who volunteered to carry out vaginal surgery on Yingluck seem to differ,

Oh and this one too

Doctor denies a red shirt’s mother treatment

Sun, 16/08/2009 - 14:17 | by prachatai

On Aug 15, about 200 local people and red shirts in Lampang gathered at Ngao District Hospital to protest against a doctor who had refused to treat an old woman whose daughter wore a ‘Truth Today’ red shirt.

http://www.prachatai.com/english/node/1363

You lost me

Are you saying Doctors should not have Political opinions.

Just Health Care.

Are you implying that when the Doctors and the Nurses when they protested to the Government about it's health care policies were wrong and did not know what they were talking about.

Is that the Democratic way have no opinions on corrupt governments. Truly you are in good company with Thaksinites.

To complete the OP ...

However, related studies conducted in 2013 found that losses due to corruption dropped significantly that year from 52 per cent in 2011 to 20 per cent. (MCOT online news)

http://mcot-web.mcot.net/9ent/site/view/id/531d784cbe0470bc148b45ff

The question that pops into my mind is why.

The only answer I can come up with is they have already bled the coffers dry and are doing less this year even though there are more hands out.

I wonder if they were referring to the local police level of 200 baht in my pocket and you need not make a trip to the station to pay 400 baht level of corruption?

I am in the minority I think but I do feel things are getting a little bit more honest at that level. Notice I said a little bit.

...will offer protection for about one year.... I wonder how many will die from the side effects.

The answer to your question is NIL

Do you have ay idea of how many people die if flu every year?

Do you even know what flu really is?

I for one don't. I also just last week turned down the offer from my doctor for one at a charge of course. I have a doctor who actually cares for her patients you make an appointment and get in to see her close to that time. Unlike so many where it is just a production line. She has a record of all my medications and the reports from specialists she has sent me to see.

If you have the figures it would be appreciated if you would post them rather than just make it look bad.

...will offer protection for about one year.... I wonder how many will die from the side effects.

As there have been no deaths reported and caused by the vaccine in at least the past 5 years , I will take a guess and say no one. However, in the high risk groups being given the vaccine several thousand people will most likely avoid being hospitalized with pneumonia and an estimated 50-100 kids under the age of 15 will not die. Influenza has been studied extensively in Thailand, and the mortality and illness data has been established.

Unless you can cite some actual reliable data from a reputable source, you should not attempt to undermine an important public health initiative. The money saved on hospitalization will be better used for caring for the public.

I for one would be greately interested in

"Influenza has been studied extensively in Thailand, and the mortality and illness data has been established." That tells me nothing.

Like studying tea leaves in the bottom of the cup.

Can I have the figures please as I have family in two of the groups.

...will offer protection for about one year.... I wonder how many will die from the side effects.

Probably not many. It is a typical Nation headline offering free Nation wide.

Then the article puts so many limitations on it that it boils down to 3 and a 1/2 million out of 66 million.

PURE DEMAGOGY....

EVERY POLITICIAN IS DISHONEST AND CORRUPTED.

EVERYONE.

PERIOD.

Which is basically, someone like Suthep that wants to do a lot of flag waving by appealing to the emotions of the people at this time, he is trying to arouse their emotions and stir up the country.

So far he has accomplished this, but in the short and long term, politics and the people don't mix and nothing will change in the Government, the Military or the Police.

You could substitute Thaksin for Suthep and it'd be the same thing.

You really are clueless Thaksin runs the country and can not even step foot in it.

While Suthep on the other hand tries to get rid of him and proposes changes that will benefit Thailand all the while he stay's in the country.

You people are passing beyond being a joke to needing a certain type of medical help.

So all these months have gone by with no results at all. Everything is still the same as it has always been in Thailand, with what ever Government is in power.

O yes there have been the usual street blockages, the M79 grenades thrown at both protesting parties and at both party leaders homes, happened last time this was on years ago. Yes there have been deaths as well, more than likely from morons who have nothing better to do than stir up every one. There were actually more murders, deaths, shootings and bombs going off in the southern provinces that in Bangkok. Yes the usual decline in Tourism s during the last uprising.

But the bottom line is nothing has really changed in Thailand.

True particularly in regards to the south. It is rather sickening how many of the posters write it off as unimportant. I have mentioned several times the head lines in the Bangkok Post are often talking of deaths down there.

But even though nothing has changed yet there has been a way shown to a better way of life in Thailand.

How ever you are correct they have stayed away from the problem in the South.

POLITICS

PDRC holds first forum on reform

Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Discussion focuses on six issues, with poverty, social disparity the top two

BANGKOK: -- The anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) launched its first forum on national reform yesterday, relying on input from key public figures and a reform panel set up under the previous government.

Poldej Pinprateep, a member of the reform panel that was formerly led by social critic Prawase Wasi and a member of the Cabinet member under the military-appointed administration, chaired the meeting yesterday.

"When an army defeats [its opponents], it doesn't invite the conquered [to take part in rebuilding]. When we win, we won't involve those who have lost, other than youngsters, whom we can train.

So he's proposing yet another "winner take all" situation. We won, so we get to do what we want and to hell with the rest of you.

Oh, yeah, that has all the earmarks of reform and reconciliation.

Well the fact that you had to cherry pick statements from two different posts indicates that you are not really interested in reform.

You like so many other posters like to refer an honest attempt at change as "fascists". Not a one of you has an idea to benefit Thailand. Just continually put down efforts to improve it. the funny part about it is probably half of you are two faced about it and will whine about your inability to own property and the immigration system. In short you people are becoming a joke nothing but negativity and no hope to offer.

This whole thing has been put down by people who like you have no interest in change the current corruption system serves your proposes fine.

Well it does not serve mine fine I have no financial gain in it the way it is or what reform would give me. But it does offer a better future for my Thai family whom I care about they are not an inconvenient item to me. They are people I care about.

On second thought yes reform could mean money in my pocket. Less money I would have to spend on their education.

Fire away losers I can take it.

You have to take into consideration more than the cost of the language class, at 20-25,000B. You are required to leave the country to get the visa, I can't see that possible for under 3000B travel expenses, plus the 2,000 for the visa. Every 90 days you need to get a visa extension for an additional 1900B. So the ED visa is now a fairly expensive option. I just did my first 90 days and, blaming myself for not fully researching, was surprised at the additional 1900 every 90 days. I had assumed a new entry/exit stamp would be issued similar to a border run, as the visa as issued is a 1 year visa.

Take the opportunity to learn the language and the price isn't so bad.

Two large Changs a night is about 50K a year, some people see that as good value.

If I might jump in here at the late stage of the game.

I would like to mention that there are also trust fund babies here who the money means nothing to. The cost of the school and Chang are immaterial to them.

This

Sent from my LG-P715 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

A scam - likely not

Illegal - yes, given that funds most likely have not been lodged in passport holders bank account for the appropriate time.

In saying that I know many foreigners who have used similar services and seem quite happy with their one year extension.

I know foreigners who have done it with no help what so ever. They just go into their conciliate or Embassy and say I am making this much money every month. Some have the false papers to prove it and some like the Americans don't even need them just say I am receiving the equivalent of 65,000 baht a month.

I wonder how close the papers are examined from the countries that require the proof.

I don't know but are those just scams schemes where they deposit the required amount of money in the bank for you at a high rate of interest and you wait the required two months I believe it is.

After 5 mths they are only now getting around to talking about it ? pathetic, the time was in the first few weeks and there still isnt any how just general words about what and 18mths yet again, and still not one name of who......... same BS different month....

Pathetic it took you five months to see the need for it.

The name will come it is a process first Thailand (you don't really count) has to see the need for it and the possibilities it will offer them.

You are not the only one in favor of maintaining the current corrupt system. they have lot's to overcome but this is a sign to the people that maybe there is a way for a better Thailand than under the Jackboots of Thaksinism.

POLITICS

PDRC holds first forum on reform

Pravit Rojanaphruk

The Nation

Discussion focuses on six issues, with poverty, social disparity the top two

BANGKOK: -- The anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) launched its first forum on national reform yesterday, relying on input from key public figures and a reform panel set up under the previous government.

Poldej Pinprateep, a member of the reform panel that was formerly led by social critic Prawase Wasi and a member of the Cabinet member under the military-appointed administration, chaired the meeting yesterday.

Poldej, who was sitting next to PDRC secretary general Suthep Thaugsuban at the Lumpini Park Youth Centre, said discussions would be based on the findings of the reform panel under the previous government, adding that the discussion this time would cover six issues .

He reckoned that this round would take up to two weeks.

Of the six topics touched upon yesterday, the first one was poverty and social disparity.

Five experts were allotted seven minutes each to offer a proposal on how they would tackle the issues, while PDRC members were granted three minutes each.

Suthep clarified that the findings on the six issues would be presented to a "People's Assembly" and adopted by a non-elected, interim government once Yingluck Shinawatra's administration has been ousted.

However, with this process only involving PDRC supporters, the question that comes to mind is whether it can ever be adopted without resistance from the red shirts.

Chokchuang Chutinaton, a 69-year-old paediatrician and hardcore PDRC supporter, said the focus should be on removing the current administration and then putting in place reforms.

"When an army defeats [its opponents], it doesn't invite the conquered [to take part in rebuilding]. When we win, we won't involve those who have lost, other than youngsters, whom we can train.

"Pardon me, I'm not saying we're perfect either," Chokchuang said, adding that PDRC's victory was a certainty because "good always prevails".

Another proposal by speakers yesterday was the introduction of a progressive land tax. Speaker Prayong Doklamyai pointed out that politicians from the opposition Democrat Party owned more land in total compared to their peers from other parties. Pheu Thai Party came in second.

It was also proposed that the Justice Fund be better financed so more poor people can have access to bail rights and the appointment of a defence lawyer.

Labour leader Wilaiwan Sae Tia proposed that the social welfare fund also cover those in the non-formal sector, while a speaker suggested that a National Savings Fund be created to care for the elderly and that funds from the state lottery go to civic groups instead of the government.

-- The Nation 2014-03-11

Well for the most part it was just ideas being brought up.

the one that I had to actually laugh at was

However, with this process only involving PDRC supporters, the question that comes to mind is whether it can ever be adopted without resistance from the red shirts.

The red shirts are so dumb they would object to each of them being given 50,000 baht just because it wasn't from the PTP. On the whole it was good to see these topics brought out and different opinions allowed to be expressed. It showed that there was a way to achieve change. It was a great demonstration of the possibilities. It did not in any way purport to have the solutions just showed a vehicle to arrive at them. All so the fact that most of the speakers were professionals not politicians.

A far better plan than receiving Skype messages and relaying them to the public over Facebook. A completely novel approach in Thailand towards solving problems or at least starting on the road to a solution. the financial disparity will always be with us but it does not have to mean the ones on the low end do with out decent necessities of life such as food shelter health care and education.

Let us hope that Thailand see's the benefit of this and opts to implement it. The choosing of the members will be the hard part. There is bound to be opposition from people who do not want to see corruption brought to as close an end as it is practical to do.

Some serious reforms in the structure of the government, its relationship with the various independent court systems, and independent agencies will require changes in the constitution. That will add another one to two years to Suthep's 18 months. Organized public protests may further impact any reform timetable. Can Thailand basically be stateless over that entire period or in the hands of an unelected administration before the nation's infrasturcture, economy, and Thai baht collapses? A less aggressive reform plan focused on a few fundamental changes may be more healthy for the nation than a grand sweeping change.

Well there is some truth in what you say.

How ever I don't think your time table is right it would not take that long. In my opinion it will be easier to find the right people to do the whole job now (relatively speaking) than over a ten year period. The shorter term you use the less chance of the grafters getting in.

At least they are now about being a bit more open that it's a PDRC peoples council that they want to put in place, self honesty is a good step.

It's not that they cannot find neutrals it's that nobody will accept them.

Whilst 18 months may be a bit optimistic but at least it's something people can start to consider the cost of this, what is the cost of 18 months of indecision and inertia for Thailand?

For businesses investing in Thailand what does this mean for them?

For the Asean community will Thailand be missing the big boat and the chance to sit at the captains table?

Reform is a good and much needed thing in my view but consideration needs to be given to maintaining a reasonable amount of business as usual during the reform, this needs to be discussed as part of any reform proposals.

Out of interest does anybody know what the PDRC's plan is for the senate if a peoples council is put in place?

Some good points there. I believe that the money people are not stupid and they know what is going on here in Thailand and will be glad to see reform. Just my opinion but it makes sense to me.

I am not that sure that indecision will be a problem for the foreign investors know that it will take time and the people who support the reform know it. I believe it will be more like unfounded anxiety on the part of the people. For the Asean community I believe it is vital for Thailand's future in it.

Maybe you see things differently than I do but the last two and a half years in my opinion Thailand has been going down hill. Cost what it may we need a change now. If not it will just continue down hill and the money people will go to countries looking to build a solid future. Miramar can be a huge challenge to Thailand in up coming years. Who knows what is going to happen in Cambodia but there is the chance that they will go through a far more trying time than Thailand and come out the stranger for it.

All that aside I am more concerned with the welfare of the Thai citizens. The economy is running away and the education system is spinning it's wheels. I may be a foreigner but I have what I consider a Thai family that I do every thing in my power to help

particularly with their education.

Edit

I forgot your question on the Senate good question. I have no idea. It would be nice if Suthep said some thing about that. I am actually surprised the PTP red shirts haven't asked that question yet.

I wonder if this interim government would stick to just running the government and hold off on changes to the constitution until they were all put together and them have them put to the country in an election. That would be one way to do it or spend more money and have several proposals at a time put to the people in several elections there by giving the people more time to analyze each one.

That method would force each side to know what they are talking about and not drag in non related items. Perhaps the Senate would continue doing what it does.

Defiantly a good question and I hope some one with an open mind and knowledge about these things comes along and answers it.

If he had ANY concrete and serious suggestions, and was taking responsibility for his former (and current) misdeeds, I would support him, but there is nothing but abstract nonsense coming from him. In other words, he is bluffing. He pretends to be a saint, brushing aside his former misdeeds, and thus is reduced to propagating hollow lies and empty promises. He has not told us how "he" is going to reduce the influence of the army, improve education, reduce ALL corruption, nepotism and patronage, how to deal with the situation in the south, how to tackle drugs and prostitution, how to improve Thailand's image and standing abroad etc etc. The protests are useless and futile for Thailand, because nothing would get better. There would only be a new set of hands plundering the country through corruption and mismanagement. Same same but different, as the cliché goes.

Have you been asleep or out of touch with the events in Thailand.

Suthep has proposed no answers to those things. That is why he is having a conference to get some answers started. He figures rightly or wrongly it will take an interim Government dedicated to cleaning up the actions of the Government and putting in blocks to prevent them from happening again a year to a year and a half to accomplish.

This is just a warm up to give the people an idea of what can be.

I believe all are invited.

As to his topics I would like to see education in there but it is a start.

what is the PTP red shirts doing to clean up the mess?

Seems to me all they are doing is trying to allow the corruption to continue.

Not one single idea to put an end to it. Realistically it will never all go away but a lot of it can be eliminated.

"focusing on poverty eradication, social disparity and strengthening society."

Yes this is the perfect person for this job..WTH... does he even remember what he has been spewing for the last 4 months...?

Is he that far out of touch with his own reality...? He wants a year and a half... and he thinks he can achieve any of this LMAO...and with the public's input.. Arooooor Haaar!

"It will set a precedent for the succeeding government to carry on. Following the process, power will be returned to the people to form an elected government.

The two-week PDRC reform forum will be held every Monday, Wednesday and Friday through March 21 "

LOLOL...yep 6 sessions oughtta do it... "Thanks Public...your input has been great!"

"Meanwhile, Democrat Party spokesperson Chavanond Indarakomalyasut said the party will propose its seven-point national reform plan on March 28"

Ahh the plot thickens..... is he even a little bit believable...?

He says he needs 1 1/2 years to complete the reforms process.

He and Abhisit were in power for 3 years with a full majority in parliament and they did NOTHING.

How can anyone believe it he can do it in half the time this time?

He is a corrupt liar and those who believe him are gullible idiots, nothing more, nothing less.

O clueless one. The Democrats were in the Prime Ministers office with a minority government.

You don't even know AB and C yet you expect us to listen to your jibber jabber. You are certainly in with good company. Here is your bosom buddies.

United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) leader Thida Thavornseth said red shirt supporters will reject the PDRC-initiated reforms as a process going against democracy.

In other words they are not even going to listen to what is said.

She also warned that the red shirts will hold a major rally in the capital if the PDRC, independent agencies and the armed forces are in collaboration to topple the elected government. (MCOT online news)

She thinks there is an elected government. does she not realize she is in Thailand where there is an unelected interim government and we are going to have to go to the constitutional court to see if they are even legally that.

Yes you are in with a real crowd of winners whiners you fit right in.

Close your mind shut your ears and open your mouth typical red shirt tactics.

blabbermouth bla bla bla clutching at straws again

Do you do that often?

I have an idea!

Why don't they build a Japanese bullet train between the two terminals? It would be so quick and the ride would be modern and cool.... people would love it???!!!

Who are the MORONS in charge of planning.... as usual, the members on here smelt out the real reason behind this stupid construction: CORRUPTION MONEY!!!!

Yes the way they are going on about it you would think there is no question who will be the Prime Minister in 6 months. They are figuring on lots in there pockets because they think people are just looking at her face not what she is doing.

There is a post a month or two back about fencing and sabre use. Thats the closest thing I know of, maybe someone knows about a kendo class.

A person will need a strong Martial Arts background before they can translate the moves from sport fencing into a self-defense system. However if one DOES have that background, it's quite easy to see how modern sport fencing, especially sabre and epée techniques, can be adapted to other edged or pointed objects and easily become a very formidable form of self defense. There are edged and pointy things everywhere. Just not so many 'swords' available. Probably a good thing, that.

Maybe he is thinking of broadswords Like the knights of old carried.

I had heard that if you spray Listerine mouth wash around entranc ways they will not come in through those entry ways.

Makro had lots of them a few months ago. Also a semi-permanent UV lights which attracts the mozzies thru the night and zaps with a zillion volts.

For some reason, we cannot bring them into Australia. (the racquet shaped ones)

Just did,nothing said by oz customs

I tried as well, but mine was taken away at Sydney airport customs.

Maybe the customs officer needed it at home.

Seems to be two different people. The one in the alley appears to me to be slighter in build. The one on a stretcher has a brace on there neck which you would expect to find in an accident. It has been a while since I took a one day first aid course but I believe it is called a C spine splint.

Also the clothing is different on both.

Hopefully the people who contact relatives are gentle with the bad news.

Winnie is quite correct there is a big cultural difference between the west and the Thai in these kind of situations.

Let's hope the Reds will not be the next one to raise tension in Thailand. I do hope for a unified peaceful Land of Smiles:)

That is wishful thinking when red shirts are involved.

I find it strange that the Bangkok Post or the Nation have not commented on the red shirt rally here in Chiang Mai.

I to would like to see a unified peaceful country but that is not in the red shirt PTP play book.

I think people tend to forget that Thailand was widening the split under the PTP and the grass roots people finally became vocal rather than sit back and let the PTP red shirts continue with the raping of the country.

It came as a shock to them. They thought they were so clever. As long as Thaksin Shinawatra runs this country it will never be united. It is not that it couldn't unite it is that Thaksin does not want it united. If it was the people would be able to see his ill will towards Thailand. As long as they are divided he can still loot the treasury.

Unfortunately he is supported by Ex Pats who benefit from his liberal use of bribery both giving and receiving.