Scarpolo

Or, as my original buddy from Brooklyn advised me upon my arrival,

"love all of them"

"marry none of them"

Had I listened to him the first two times, I would be far different...

I treat this girl like a queen, with every respect, open doors, move her chair at the table, public and private, and show her how a romance can be,

when respect is shown in every way,

"some" american men, are different then the thai boyfriends they have had..some are far worse,

but clearly, we both benefit fron this arrangement and are both working at learning the other's ways....and trying to adjust within a large language barrier, and the reality, that, she isn't leaving thailand, and says so straight away, and, I am 50-50, on whether this is my final destination or the beaches of south florida beckon me home,

I haven't decided, but, the Immigration rules here, will surely have their say; as they do, every 60 days, which frankly, is bullshit,

so, the idea of owning a business here, without becoming a full time citizen,

someone will have to explain that, as it seems like a set up for failure here

relationships included, (due to the Visa rules)

I dont even know if I could get her to the States, even if she wanted to go

You are an American you can own a business and land here. What do you think happens every 60 days?

For now, every 60 days I have to buy a stamp at immigration, exit the country and return before my double entry tourist visa expires.

I qualify for retirement Visa, if I want to open a bank account here, so for now, it is exit the country every 60 days,

this is a major impediment to any future here, as it is under these rules,

To marry here for citizenship, is not in the cards;

she wouldnt do it,

and would want to follow the "old ways" which, requires buying her from her mother,

that ain't flying for me....she's 32, not 18

I noticed a Citibank office near my home, but not sure they open accounts there,

and not sure I want to deal w US tax requirements, until I know why I am opening that can of worms

94% b.....er off in the end some after 1 month and some after 15 years. Forget and move on BUT don't fall in love with any of them as they all end in sadness.

Who is them? Women, men, lady boys, dentists or doctors, triathletes, monks, politicians?

Or, as my original buddy from Brooklyn advised me upon my arrival,

"love all of them"

"marry none of them"

Had I listened to him the first two times, I would be far different...

I treat this girl like a queen, with every respect, open doors, move her chair at the table, public and private, and show her how a romance can be,

when respect is shown in every way,

"some" american men, are different then the thai boyfriends they have had..some are far worse,

but clearly, we both benefit fron this arrangement and are both working at learning the other's ways....and trying to adjust within a large language barrier, and the reality, that, she isn't leaving thailand, and says so straight away, and, I am 50-50, on whether this is my final destination or the beaches of south florida beckon me home,

I haven't decided, but, the Immigration rules here, will surely have their say; as they do, every 60 days, which frankly, is bullshit,

so, the idea of owning a business here, without becoming a full time citizen,

someone will have to explain that, as it seems like a set up for failure here

relationships included, (due to the Visa rules)

I dont even know if I could get her to the States, even if she wanted to go

I'm going to assume that as you don't appear to know where to draw the line in terms of the details you provide in these posts of yours, there's very little chance that you know where to draw the line in terms of how you deal with women in real life.

Do you really think we want to know that you're up for sex with your slave when she's menstruating?

Do you think that kind of thing is impressive?

Do you imagine that we aspire to be like you in the way you think and talk about women?

Frankly, you just come over like a total douche with what seems like complete and utter contempt for someone who, despite her profession, is still a human being.

Living life talking through your cock must be so enlightening

Plenty of women want to have sex when they are menstruating.....enlightern yourself

And she is far from a slave, she has free will, and I live, in her spotless home,

close your legs and open your mind,

if you have that capability,

Well duh!

I'm perfectly aware of women's libido during menstruation; my point is that this isn't Pattaya Addicts - it's Thaivisa.

People aren't titillated by your graphic description of your sexual exploits. What you do in the privacy of your home is your business, not ours.

Maybe you believe that by telling anyone who you think will listen, the extent of what this woman will endure under your depraved sexual administrations, it will help compensate for your obvious lack of genuine self esteem.

It won't. It just makes you sound like a screwed up sex case.

Sorry but that's the impression I get.

which one is it, full blown narcissist or lack of self esteem?

you can't have it both ways........

and, who amongst us, is not depraved, in some way?

except you of course,

you must be perfect,

in every way

She is currently being "retrained"

You can say no, if you don't feel good,

but, I have already left her twice, over refusals, so,

I let her slide on her periods, though....not that I wouldn't, but, I give ground there

side note: I asked her how much blood she had left as we were driving in last night,

she offered to bring me to a massage parlor for sex......gotta love a girl like that, but I kindly said, no worries.......it's only another day or so, I can deal

I really can't begin to imagine why your ex-wives kicked your fat arse to the kerb and cleaned your financial clock, mate.

I mean, you're such a catch, I can't fathom how you could come to be such a loser with women.

Still, I guess if they hadn't left you, they probably would have put a bullet in your brain for being such a monumental plank so it seems you did ok.

The first one left, because I moved in with my girlfriend in Los Angeles,

The second one left because some duecebag lawyer told her that she could get a california divorce, even though we were residents of Florida, and she thought I was screwing every girl in the building, all the female bartenders we knew, the bldg manager, thought I wanted to screw every teenager that walked by, and had a narcotics and cigarette addiction that I refused to continue to enable....

That and at 50, she was convinced she was old and I was trade her, and was just waiting for her to die so I could fulfil all my dreams,

I decided to dream on.......and left her in the hell she created, without her CA divorce and her slut of a daughter, who came from some criminal she screwed

other than that, I am with a 32 year old that looks 20, and I am living my dreams, so, she was half right, and half crazy,

want her number? She will just lay there......too beautiful to participate apparently, as she had too many men telling her pretty she was, I guess she believed them

Do you guys think all of this is different in Western countries where women shop for the man that can buy nice houses and cars, run him dry, then move on to the next guy? No, they aren't all that way here or there... just enough to mess with the 'system'

I believe this is a Thailand specific issue, but I don't have the experience others have here, only to say, that many thai women are able to take advantage of westerners because, we are on short term visa's and they know, as do we, that unless we put down roots here, (roots in thailand, without the right to own property or a business withoutt a thai partner being the majority owner?)

they have advantages here that they wouldnt have in the west, the US specifically

the tactics of women in general, is the law of the jungle, the survival of the fittest, this we probably all agree,

but the reality that, Thai law, is applied arbitrarily, and will always favor the thai,

yes, I think it is different here,

it harms them as much as it could potentially harm, us,

I live here short term, as much as I would like to make this a permament stay, the reality is, this is not hospitable to a westerner who wants to earn a living here, legtimately....key word there, legitimately

I am open to being wrong, on everything I just stated as, I live with a thai girl 21 years younger, and I like it,

but the facts are still, I have to leave here, every 90 days, unless I decide to open a bank account here, which I may if gold continues its rally, and tests $1,700 soon, for me it will all be moot, and I won't even need a business anymore, but, it can get boring, mostly because I am not likely to venture out far on my own, and enjoy the comforts of the home I am in

You can own a business and property in Thailand because you are an American. You sound like a teen age noob writing from a one room flat in NYC and dreaming about making it big someday and traveling to Thailand. The sex and menstruating talk is reminiscent of an adolescent with his first girlfriend.

However one thing does make sense. You wrote, "I am not likely to venture out far on my own,"

Without a thai partner, you can own a home and business? Really? Why is it that I am told only condo's can be purchased, which suck, if I wanted to live in an obelisk without grass and trees, I would go back to Manhattan, and, what business can you own in thailand without being the minority partner?

I'm going to assume that as you don't appear to know where to draw the line in terms of the details you provide in these posts of yours, there's very little chance that you know where to draw the line in terms of how you deal with women in real life.

Do you really think we want to know that you're up for sex with your slave when she's menstruating?

Do you think that kind of thing is impressive?

Do you imagine that we aspire to be like you in the way you think and talk about women?

Frankly, you just come over like a total douche with what seems like complete and utter contempt for someone who, despite her profession, is still a human being.

Living life talking through your cock must be so enlightening

Plenty of women want to have sex when they are menstruating.....enlightern yourself

And she is far from a slave, she has free will, and I live, in her spotless home,

close your legs and open your mind,

if you have that capability,

as it is, the 32 year old already complains I want too much sex. what would those 50 year olds in the US say?

Next time she tries that, get your keys and walk to the door, "where you go?", "off to get some sex darling, you always get first refusal". That's the Thai male way.

She is currently being "retrained"

I have made it pretty clear,

I am not Thai,

I am American,

You can say no, if you don't feel good,

but, I have already left her twice, over refusals, so,

I let her slide on her periods, though....not that I wouldn't, but, I give ground there

side note: I asked her how much blood she had left as we were driving in last night,

she offered to bring me to a massage parlor for sex......gotta love a girl like that, but I kindly said, no worries.......it's only another day or so, I can deal

they have advantages here that they wouldnt have in the west, the US specifically

Completely the opposite is true.

In the west

A judge will give any woman you live with lots of your assets.

Especially if they have kids, doesn't even have to be your kids.

In Thailand

They can't get their hands on anything you don't give them. Even if you have children with them.

And if you are married, all gifts are also considered part of the marriage contract, and on divorce you can claim them back.

I wasn't on the topic of marriage, as, this was all about girlfriends......

Good to know you can "claim" gifts back,

that's a little strange, but, ok

gfs in the west can claim almost everything you own (plus part of your wages for the next 20 years) with little effort.

"OOps sorry, accident, pregnant but I'm keeping the baby"

Get the idea?

Your Thai gf (or wife) can't, even if she lives with you and has your baby.

Makes me want to run out and get a vasectomy,

not that I can see myself with a western girl again within the range we have here, age ratio that's to read

right now I am 53 she is 32.no pressure to marry, and a body like a teenager,

If that was available to me in the USA, I would have stayed,

it was the opposite,

the girls in their mid 30's were all good friends, but preferred guys closer to their age....and for all the right reasons.

all I did was find girls in their late 40's and, god forbid around my age, 52-54, who wanted to "sell" me, on why I should be with girls my own age,

as it is, the 32 year old already complains I want too much sex. what would those 50 year olds in the US say?

they have advantages here that they wouldnt have in the west, the US specifically

Completely the opposite is true.

In the west

A judge will give any woman you live with lots of your assets.

Especially if they have kids, doesn't even have to be your kids.

In Thailand

They can't get their hands on anything you don't give them. Even if you have children with them.

And if you are married, all gifts are also considered part of the marriage contract, and on divorce you can claim them back.

I wasn't on the topic of marriage, as, this was all about girlfriends......

Good to know you can "claim" gifts back,

that's a little strange, but, ok

Do you guys think all of this is different in Western countries where women shop for the man that can buy nice houses and cars, run him dry, then move on to the next guy? No, they aren't all that way here or there... just enough to mess with the 'system'

I believe this is a Thailand specific issue, but I don't have the experience others have here, only to say, that many thai women are able to take advantage of westerners because, we are on short term visa's and they know, as do we, that unless we put down roots here, (roots in thailand, without the right to own property or a business withoutt a thai partner being the majority owner?)

they have advantages here that they wouldnt have in the west, the US specifically

the tactics of women in general, is the law of the jungle, the survival of the fittest, this we probably all agree,

but the reality that, Thai law, is applied arbitrarily, and will always favor the thai,

yes, I think it is different here,

it harms them as much as it could potentially harm, us,

I live here short term, as much as I would like to make this a permament stay, the reality is, this is not hospitable to a westerner who wants to earn a living here, legtimately....key word there, legitimately

I am open to being wrong, on everything I just stated as, I live with a thai girl 21 years younger, and I like it,

but the facts are still, I have to leave here, every 90 days, unless I decide to open a bank account here, which I may if gold continues its rally, and tests $1,700 soon, for me it will all be moot, and I won't even need a business anymore, but, it can get boring, mostly because I am not likely to venture out far on my own, and enjoy the comforts of the home I am in

Alternatively, have a look in the mirror, develop a personality and go back to the US to meet a good woman there.

OK so she may not have the good looks or tight body of your ex-hooker but at least you'll be able to speak her language and share a common culture.

You are speaking from the experience of your own success story? Right?

No but I'm not one lamenting on the loss of a prostitute as a girlfriend.

Oh, that dude is long gone, we may never hear from him again, as, he may already be dead.

this is the same guy who didn't react to his discovery that the girl made a key to his apartment, without permission.....

think about that, she had to actually have possession of his key, have a copy made, and get his original key back to him, without his knowledge,

how long do you think this guy has left to live in a country like this?

25 years age difference. i bet girl is from issan or someplaece in nakon nowhere! your relatives are right!

its just not the same west man marry thai girl.

Over the past few decades, I have had partners from ALL classes in Thailand.

Who needs a "Hot White-skinned wife" with ten guys on her phone, loads of personal baggage and debt and who's always ready to trade up AND who will cut off sexual activity after she's popped a couple of your kids.

You don't hear a lot about it from their victims but that's what happens with the "ka-monster" variety.

Not always. Just sometimes.

Just as often as it happens with provincial girls.

Not always. Just sometimes.

Just as often as it happens with Western women.

Not always. Just sometimes.

Only a fool choses a wife to please the expectations of his friends and family.

Nothing pisses these Bkk people off more than a foreigner who has money of his own and is too blind to hate rural Isaan people.

I'll assume by your diction that YOU are one of these snooty Bkk THAI Suthep supporters.

It's pretty clear now that with all these "dating" websites in play that a lot of Bkk women have been rendered "damaged goods" by Thai men in particular and Thai society in general.

It must really gall these snobs to see women their *slave class* respected by foreigners because NOTHING bothers a Thai snob or ANY snob more than an assault on his class system.

I have seen just as many men get into deep doo-doo with their "hot Bkk wives" as I've seen get into trouble with Isaan gold diggers. Some of these "educated" Thai women turn out to be absolute nightmares.

And more than a few are seriously damaged goods with loads of baggage and loads do debt and hidden agendas.

Sorry but many of us who arrive here do not give a toss for your class system or the class system of our countries of origin.

So g'head. You stick with your arm candy and your weakness to please people in both jurisdictions that you fundamentally deplore.

It's poor judgement by both THAI men and foreign men and superficial decisions that ruin lives here. It's NOT skin colour.

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

But........Butt.........

some of us like arm candy!

I agree with you on all your points,

I wasnt aware of the class system here, although my g'f for the first time started using the term "high so"

when she is clearly, not as far down the line as she thinks.

to each their own, but, I prefer strong physical attraction, and class has no place, with love....

there are kings and queens who have given up their place in line for crowns, to marry for love

Thanks for taking the time to read my rather opinionated reply to the Thai guy who jumped into that Thai class system song and dance that seems to get them through the night.

Yeah, I too like arm candy. But if you read between the lines you'll understand I have been here a while.

I am a mature man of some means who, while he can dance ok feels silly in a disco ;-) okay ;-?

I have grown kids in the old country and while I too like arm candy, at this point in my life I understand that for me it's gonna be high-maintenance.

Strong physical attraction can last and last if you change women often enough, of course but sustainability is another matter.

You have heard that "no matter how attractive and how sexy a woman may be, there is a guy out there who's tired of sh@@@ing her". In my experience, this is true.

High so people, (real hi-so people) NEVER use the expression to refer yo themselves.

It just isn't done.

Your girlfriend (I'm sure) is "Bangkok pretty" and I wish you all the "sustainability" life may have yo offer you both. The class system here is rampant and pervasive. It's ALL about the class. (Check out the term "sakdina")

It's worse than Europe and it's currently, along with rampant corruption, racism and greed tearing this country to shreds.

Strong physical attraction can stand the test of time. Way past your years of being young and dewy ;-)

Cheers

Donnie

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

If these "thai guys" were so wonderful, class or not, there wouldnt be such a high % of pretty thai females willing to be with us.

I am 53, my g/f is 32.....she thinks she is old......I just laugh, and enjoy her slim amazing body, and while some people would say I am paying for her, all I am doing is what I did back home, I pay the home costs to have a beautiful young, sweet as candy body lying next to me, every night.

Between this and a a hotel, for nearly the same costs, I will stick with her....

My friend wrote a song, its called "This One's Different"

you have to check it out, it is the most awesome review of life in thailand for the average farange, which, you and I are clearly not.

Cheers

What a load of crap you lot talk.

crap perhaps,

but descriptive of the reality of this country

25 years age difference. i bet girl is from issan or someplaece in nakon nowhere! your relatives are right!

its just not the same west man marry thai girl.

Over the past few decades, I have had partners from ALL classes in Thailand.

Who needs a "Hot White-skinned wife" with ten guys on her phone, loads of personal baggage and debt and who's always ready to trade up AND who will cut off sexual activity after she's popped a couple of your kids.

You don't hear a lot about it from their victims but that's what happens with the "ka-monster" variety.

Not always. Just sometimes.

Just as often as it happens with provincial girls.

Not always. Just sometimes.

Just as often as it happens with Western women.

Not always. Just sometimes.

Only a fool choses a wife to please the expectations of his friends and family.

Nothing pisses these Bkk people off more than a foreigner who has money of his own and is too blind to hate rural Isaan people.

I'll assume by your diction that YOU are one of these snooty Bkk THAI Suthep supporters.

It's pretty clear now that with all these "dating" websites in play that a lot of Bkk women have been rendered "damaged goods" by Thai men in particular and Thai society in general.

It must really gall these snobs to see women their *slave class* respected by foreigners because NOTHING bothers a Thai snob or ANY snob more than an assault on his class system.

I have seen just as many men get into deep doo-doo with their "hot Bkk wives" as I've seen get into trouble with Isaan gold diggers. Some of these "educated" Thai women turn out to be absolute nightmares.

And more than a few are seriously damaged goods with loads of baggage and loads do debt and hidden agendas.

Sorry but many of us who arrive here do not give a toss for your class system or the class system of our countries of origin.

So g'head. You stick with your arm candy and your weakness to please people in both jurisdictions that you fundamentally deplore.

It's poor judgement by both THAI men and foreign men and superficial decisions that ruin lives here. It's NOT skin colour.

"Sometimes, 'fuggedabowdit' just means fuggedabowdit."

But........Butt.........

some of us like arm candy!

I agree with you on all your points,

I wasnt aware of the class system here, although my g'f for the first time started using the term "high so"

when she is clearly, not as far down the line as she thinks.

to each their own, but, I prefer strong physical attraction, and class has no place, with love....

there are kings and queens who have given up their place in line for crowns, to marry for love

FYI, here's my trip report on my travel and visit today to Major Hollywood Suksawat for 90-day reporting. No mail-in allowed.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/700970-90-day-reporting-by-ems-mail-to-chang-wattana-office-closed/?p=7420258

PS - Although this small mall is pretty dumpy and seemingly little-used, there are quite a few different Thai bank ATMs located there as you walk in.

Is this office good for Tourist Visa stamps as well?

I have a double entry tourist visa,

thanks in advance

or when you introduce your gf back home and they all look confused and saying shouldn't she have dark skin, small body, and pig nose aka issan/bargirl...

And here I was thinking I was the only farange with a white skinned, tall pretty girl with a real nose that walks like a model with her 29 inch legs and has a slim body and tastes like candy?

Anyone who is farange and brings a girl like this to their home country WILL lose her.....

dont be a bigger fool than you were before you came here,

ie., the reasons you left the last one,

the same rules apply as did beforee you left your country

just send pictures back to your friends

let them know what awaits them when they come here

and for gods sake, and your sanity and wallet,

DO NOT bring them home

and remember, the girl you are so fond of now, was someone else's before who got tired of her,

you are next in line,

keep that in the forefront of your mind at all times, and you will have less trouble with women,

assuming you have any trouble

Whenever a working girl doesn't go to work for a month or two and goes to stay with someone it's a play for the GF position

In the grand scheme of her working life it's a drop in the ocean. She won't be losing out on that big promotion at the office, she's taking a punt and/or doing what she wants to do in the hope it pays off and/or she fancies some paid time off

I would never take those things as any kind of serious intension of anything

Agreed.

In the USA, there is a website and a service a friend uses regularly, where they advertise either by the hour, overnight, and as a GFE,

GFE = girl friend equivalent

I never heard that term until I left my 2nd wife and started hanging with single friends again,

I believe I have a full time GFE,

She wants me to marry her,

I probably would, but not here in Thailand,

she would have to go back to the States with me,

where I would surely lose her.....

they don't know they are the candy here,

besides, what I am saving on bi weekly hairdressers and nails and other feminine requirements of the plus 40 female crowd in the US, I would rather spend here, on a girl who deserves a break

yes I did,

every friday,

but still depends on how I feel about her "performance"

which now that you mention it, is great every thursday?

I wouldn't worry about it. If you are 12 years old your attitude of sexual objectification of women is normal and will change as you get older provided you avail yourself of a decent education and have some companions who can communicate beyond the grunt stage.

that sounds a helluva lot like,

"when you grow up...yadda yadda yadda"

it ain't coming,

I am a guitar player.

we stay teenagers, forever

Mine freaks out when the scale reads 45 kilo's

I guess its all a matter of taste

My limit's 42, any excess above must be via the rack.

Have you paid your rent yet, Johnny? I still remember how "FunFon" cheated his landlady.

yes I did,

every friday,

but still depends on how I feel about her "performance"

which now that you mention it, is great every thursday?

You written on a number occasions that you purchase your women so what's the big deal? It's like getting a shirt the color you like. Most of us talk to the women we live with and we met them by courting as opposed to shopping. Why would you even say hello? "How much" should do the job more efficiently.

We all purchase our women,

That is the way it has been for me, for years,

my first wife chased me,

I have two great kids as a result,

but from the time I made money, a lot of it,

I was no longer able to know why they were with me,

nor, did I care anymore

Well which is it? First you say, "We all purchase our women" and then you say, "I was no longer able to know why they were with me,"

you would have to ask them

some of you guys should be shopping in a high school for gfs /wifes

42 kg limit lol

in our minds,

we still are in high school

was that hard to figure out?

I believe that goes with still wanting to live at home with your parents. Narcissism comes to mind.

I'd suggest a psychiatrist except this is Thailand and the psychiatrist probably does still live at home with his parents.

I might be interested in a thai female psychiatrist, with thigh high boots, and no underwear......in fact, she doesnt even have to be thai

funny, the brazlian midget used to say that too,

all I said was, they looked like her from behind,

and they did

sorry for you that you don't have a female adult that has the body of a teenager,

without it, I am gone before hello

You written on a number occasions that you purchase your women so what's the big deal? It's like getting a shirt the color you like. Most of us talk to the women we live with and we met them by courting as opposed to shopping. Why would you even say hello? "How much" should do the job more efficiently.

We all purchase our women,

That is the way it has been for me, for years,

my first wife chased me,

I have two great kids as a result,

but from the time I made money, a lot of it,

I was no longer able to know why they were with me,

nor, did I care anymore

If you marry an Isaan thai chances are your money will disappear on her family, if you marry an affluent chinese thai its a different story.

Yes man, if you marry with Isaan you can forget your money at all, BUT if you marry with Chinese you can forget your personality ALSO.

The vast majority of farangs couldn't afford marrying into an affluent Thai Chinese family so a stupid comparison

My girl is partially chinese, which is probably what attracted me,

they aren't well to do, and wouldnt have homes if my girl didnt own them,

I plan to stay far away from her family,

I did that with my last two wives and I have no need to involve myself with this group either

some of you guys should be shopping in a high school for gfs /wifes

42 kg limit lol

in our minds,

we still are in high school

was that hard to figure out?

no, just makes you sound like a bit of a pedo

thats all .....

funny, the brazlian midget used to say that too,

all I said was, they looked like her from behind,

and they did

sorry for you that you don't have a female adult that has the body of a teenager,

without it, I am gone before hello

Whenever a working girl doesn't go to work for a month or two and goes to stay with someone it's a play for the GF position

In the grand scheme of her working life it's a drop in the ocean. She won't be losing out on that big promotion at the office, she's taking a punt and/or doing what she wants to do in the hope it pays off and/or she fancies some paid time off

I would never take those things as any kind of serious intension of anything

You have hit the nail squarely on the proverbial head here:

The moment anyone takes anything seriously,

therein lies their greatest danger,

you may was well pull the pin on the grenade and pretend, that it's not going to explode.

these girls have feelings too, and they want a better life,

the farange have done a pretty good job of showing them what bastards we can be,

and their thai fathers, if they even know who they are,

started their issues with men,

and then their thai boyfriends, finsihed them off,

what we are left with,

is the survivors.

go to thaifriendly.com and you will see, there are thousands all telling the same story,

if you can find one without a child, you are in luck,

I have met a few girls from there, and they were all normal