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9 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

Am guessing they were kinda busy, never refused to treat her though.

Wasting your breath mate. Your one if the few showing any sense or rationality in this debate.

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

630,614.80 baht so far yep its certainly about BHP too. However my post was about the 10 hospitals who refused to treat her first, you may have noticed when you responded and you also said:

 

"It should be about the 10 hospitals that did refuse her treatment"

Again not totally correct but this thread isnt about you and me and we are spamming it. Just for clarity though. She was at Sirikit who were going to treat her. Her friend didnt want to wait so asked her doctor to take her elsewhere at which point the 10 other hospitals refused to treat her. Her friend then drove her to BHP in her private car. Her friend made the concious decison to take her there. Was aware of the cost and admitted her anyway. Private hospitals arent free. Regardless your jumping around is non sensical. Its about face. Its about government. Its about the hospitals that wouldnt treat her. Its about BHP. Good luck.

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This thread is about Dinh Kim Le and its actually 17 dead now RIP to them all they all died through sheer negligence

Yep. Nothing to do with Bangkok hospital Pattaya then. Glad we cleared that up.

 This is just another case of gross negligence of which they numbers are immeasurable have been forever and will continue to be. I believe the phrase, cliche even is this is Thailand.

 Terrible but true and not likely to change regardless of the tragedy

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Says you, yet the reality is you have clue what you would do when faced with that situation. All very well to speculate on what you think but that does not help this poor girl.

Yeah says me which carries just as much weight as your opinion. What you think doesn't help the 15 who died. Nor the 10 other badly burnt Thais coincidentally. Wonder how they are doing?

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant to what help should have been provided and how. What this thread is about.

Well tbh what should have happened is her friend could have left her at Sirikit hospital with the other 10 badly burnt Thais that not one person has mentioned or seem to give a <deleted> about.

 Wonder how they are doing or where their pages of outrage are?

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

? Are you following what I posted, thats what I said:

 

 

Regards the Vietnam government, I do remember they made international headlines with they care they took of a British pilot who had covid and cared for him extremely well. Its a pity Thailand does not do the same for foreigners who through no fault of their own and who in fact are victim to criminal negligence do not do the same.

Agreed. Would be nice wouldn't it? 

18 minutes ago, Excel said:

Well good for you, stay well.

Reality and life are both cruel eh? No one ever expects anything bad to happen. I just wish there was something you could do for your house, your car or most importantly your health in case of unexpected calamity. 

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Whether that's true or not is irrelevant to what help should have been provided and how. What this thread is about.

Make you mind up. So it's not about face? Trying hard to understand the uproar. It should be about the 10 hospitals that did refuse her treatment or perhaps the Vietnamese government of whom she is a citizen. 

6 minutes ago, Excel said:

Where did I suggest it was an excuse ? No where   !!!!! you just choose to rant about something else. Read my post again, I was clarifying , from previous reports, that indicated she was not permanently in Thailand for 4 years.

No rant. Stating facts. If they upset you that's not my problem. I've been here not permanently for over 20 years I spend thousands on health insurance that I hope I never need but again the onus is on me and not a private hospitals to ensure that is in place. Have a nice day.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thailand cares about face, this would have been a good opportunity to show the world it cares about foreigners that were nearly burnt alive due to Thai's negligence.

Thailand cares about face with other Thais and people who deserve face. So maybe the Chinese overlords. Everyone else is falang.

10 minutes ago, Excel said:

The original article stated that whilst she had been here 4 years "she would come and go to Thailand". That indicates she did not live here permanently all that time. Unless she obtained a visa she would, as a Vietnamese,  be entitled to 30 day visa free. Not that it affects her treatment here or lack of it which the thread is about, just stating facts for good order

No excuse for not having insurance if you are frequently overseas the onus is on you not the hospital. Foreigners on here are perpetually lambasted for exactly the same thing hundreds of threads on it.

  If this was British tourist on life support after falling off motorbike instead of pretty young Vietnamese girl there would be a very different reaction. That's how news sites work. 

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Absolute disgrace. No words could describe the pain and life changing injuries that will affect her form now on. The very least the Thai government should do is show the international community that when a negligence case like this occurs and a foreigner is so badly affected, they take care of them as much as they would one of their own citizens.

Yeah right. Thailand cares about what other countries think. ????????????????????

13 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I do think that when it comes to saving peoples lives, hospitals should have different business ethics than other businesses .

   People who are dying shouldn't be left outside hospitals to die, if they haven't got the money to immediately  pay , was what I was "harping" on about .(which I would have thought would have been obvious if you had read all the thread )

Stick to the facts. She wasn't left to "Die in a carpark" she wasn't refused treatment. What did happen was when the bill got up over 600k baht and she could no longer afford the bill nor had the insurance to cover it she was required to move. 

 You understand private hospitals right? She had lived here over 4 years maybe she should have considered health insurance.

 Why aren't you blowing up about all the public hospitals that actually did refuse to treat her? You know why? Because if she had gone to a public hospital she would more than likely already be dead. Private hospital actually saved her life what its worth.

55 minutes ago, TheDutchEngineer said:

Asking for a deposit is not illegal but refusing medical care for any hospital is. Let this go to court and wait for the payment. No need to stress about it now. Let the hospital file a court case if they dare… this can take years… 

They got their deposit and they didn't refuse treatment which seems to be the salient point everyone is missing. It was when the bill went up over 600k baht and she could no longer afford to pay the bill and had no insurance that would cover it she was required to move.

 Exactly what would happen to anyone. She lived here for 4 years maybe she should have considered health insurance.

2 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Thailand recently instituted an additional 300 baht per arrival (by air or land) fee that is supposed to provide "health insurance" for foreigners.

Let me guess, the money is being spent elsewhere and not on what it was meant for.

Health insurance in public hospitals or very limited capped at a certain baht coverage. Definitely not ongoing top flight private health cover in a private hospital. Jesus what do you expect for 300 baht?

So reading this it seems your damned if you do damned if you don't. Looks like they might actually enforce a law and the whingeing starts. 

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, I knew that .

(Doesn't everyone know that ? )

Well what do you keep harping on about then? 

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

I already know that the definition of a private hospital is 

Doesnt sound like it judging by your posts.

private hospital funds operations through direct payments from patients and insurance providers, and does not receive public money. Such facilities can offer a variety of services to members of the public. The lack of reliance on government funds means that they are not required to meet specific targets set for public hospitals, which have a mandate to make care available to low-income patients and meet other requirements. 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Although the topic is about hospitals making money , rather than businesses in general .

   No one is suggesting that business's shouldnt make money and that hospitals are a bit different to other businesses 

You might want to look up the definition of a private hospital.

1 hour ago, BusyB said:

The moment this emerged there should have been a general public emergency declared, all hospitals put on alert and every patient treated on arrival.

There is no excuse for medical facilities anywhere not carrying out their basic duty in a human catastrophe like this.

 

A public emergency? Your having a laff.

1 hour ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Cheaper than in the US, surely?

I dont know 700 000 baht in a couple days seems fairly exorbitant

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you think that private hospitals should refuse to treat people and let them die outside in the car park ?

She wasnt refused treatment stop talking nonsense she was there till she ran up a bill she coild no longer afford to pay.

 It was the government hospitals that refused. 

3 minutes ago, Dont confuse me said:

Your forgetting the golden rule in Thailand, "Money number 1" empathy and sympathy are well below money in Thai culture! 

Nothing to do with Thailand.

33 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Not a good comparison to quote. The USA is famous for having outrageous prices for medical care.

Yes nothing like a private hospital in Thailand. They are so cheap.

11 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Read the article again. It is claimed that 10 state hospitals refused her as they weren't able to treat her.

No im reading your statement of surprise that the vast majority of the locally run hospitals would be woefully underequipped, not capapble or even willing to deal with a mass casualty event. And certianly wouldnt have anything near resembling the burns treatment units or any other modern equipment to deal with those sort of events.  Not surprised at all.