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Just watched the C4 version which did not tell us anything new except the frequency of unexplained deaths on the island, with the incompetence of RTP.

I'm surprised no one has started an online campaign to promote not visiting Koh Tao - that would hurt most the probable killers and the island mafia. Been there once and will never go again.

Hundreds of thousands of young adults, partying till dawn for weeks on end have gone. Two established murders. Other deaths explainable accidents, seized on as fodder for the conspiracy theorists.

EDIT and one suicide Dimitri Povse, replete with note written in French

Two established murders - with an extremely flawed investigation, which may result in a retrial if experts recent opinions and advice and is acted upon.

Other deaths explainable accidents - "explainable", but very suspicious circumstances.

One suicide - also very suspicious circumstances.

And "conspiracy theorists"? (Where did that come from, I wonder?) Or just people who are putting forward possible alternatives to the official RTP conclusions, which as is shown by the investigation into the "two established murders", are not always infallible?

If it were not for the "conspiracy theorists", and the popularity of social media sites, I doubt very much if the possibility of a retrial would even have been contemplated, as the experts that are now involved would probably not even have heard of the case. Additionally, a retrial will involve an enormous loss of face, and we all know how much that means in Thailand!

The latest pile of lies " experts...suspicious deaths..."- only if you want to see them that way.

And it's also as glaringly obvious that you don't! If you had been taking notice, you would have noticed that In a previous post I cast doubt on the supposed "experts" as there were no names mentioned, or places of employment. These have now been supplied, but I am prepared to look at "both sides of the coin" (as indeed are many posters on here) but unfortunately there are a few like yourself, and the (possibly now defunct) "Glee Club" that can only blindly accept as gospel everything that those in authority would have you believe.

Just watched the C4 version which did not tell us anything new except the frequency of unexplained deaths on the island, with the incompetence of RTP.

I'm surprised no one has started an online campaign to promote not visiting Koh Tao - that would hurt most the probable killers and the island mafia. Been there once and will never go again.

Hundreds of thousands of young adults, partying till dawn for weeks on end have gone. Two established murders. Other deaths explainable accidents, seized on as fodder for the conspiracy theorists.

EDIT and one suicide Dimitri Povse, replete with note written in French

Two established murders - with an extremely flawed investigation, which may result in a retrial if experts recent opinions and advice and is acted upon.

Other deaths explainable accidents - "explainable", but very suspicious circumstances.

One suicide - also very suspicious circumstances.

And "conspiracy theorists"? (Where did that come from, I wonder?) Or just people who are putting forward possible alternatives to the official RTP conclusions, which as is shown by the investigation into the "two established murders", are not always infallible?

If it were not for the "conspiracy theorists", and the popularity of social media sites, I doubt very much if the possibility of a retrial would even have been contemplated, as the experts that are now involved would probably not even have heard of the case. Additionally, a retrial will involve an enormous loss of face, and we all know how much that means in Thailand!

How are we supposed to know him if a picture is not posted?

What makes you think they need your help in identifying the person! If the guy entered the country legally his biometric information will be on record, matching the person to the records should be relatively easy.

What they don't need is ghouls wanting to look at a corpse.

"What makes you think they need your help in identifying the person!" Try reading the post!

From the headline:-

Do you know this man?

And from the text of the post:-

PATTAYA:-- Police found an unidentified foreign man dead after a fall from a well known South Pattaya condominium on Tuesday evening.

They are appealing for relatives or friends to come forward.

"Police are to study CCTV footage to try to determine whether it was an accident or the man decided to end his life."

Not to see if there was anyone else involved, then?

I've never in all my years and travels come across such an inept and useless group of individuals. Besides collecting money, what are these clowns good at?

Deporting you? Be careful or big brother make take offence hehee... Seriously though!! Life is already cheap in Thailand and especially so with a foreigners life. Only, and seriously, only, if it is widespread online will it be looked into deeper or with more care. Usually by that time it is too late to change what was pronounced as it would make them lose face. That is worse than getting something wrong and fixing it.

e.g. Raiding an illegal gambling den/Bridge Club?

DNA investigation in murder case of UK backpackers ‘incompetent’

Police in Thailand may be reported to an international regulator over the investigation of two Burmese men convicted of murdering British backpackers Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.

International legal and DNA forensic scientists have advised the defence team of the two Burmese, who were sentenced to death, to make a formal complaint and demand a retrial.

The bodies of Ms Witheridge, 23, and Mr Miller, 24, were found on the island of Koh Tao in September 2014.

The experts say at best the DNA investigation by the Thai Police Forensics Laboratory was incompetent with no chain of evidence or proper disclosure to the defence. The worst scenario is Zaw Lin and Wai Phyo were framed.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/dna-investigation-in-murder-case-of-uk-backpackers-incompetent-a3233786.html

"International legal and DNA forensic scientists" " The team" "The experts"

Any names or places of employment to go with that?

All that documentary has done is recycle old news and what we already know. Until any new evidence is brought to light then it`s still a case of who done it. I haven`t watched that documentary and wouldn`t waste my time doing so.

Sounds a bit like saying you don't like Chinese food but you've never tried it!

Whoever wrote this article isn't helping by making things up and omitting facts. For example, "One aspect that was not mentioned during the program was two other western women who had been mugged by four Thai men on motorbikes the evening before in the very same spot."

It was not mentioned because it isn't true at all. The murder was on the beach at a rocky outcrop- unless the men on motorbikes rode them into the sand it was definitely not the same place.

And the suicide? Completely ignores the suicide note written in French that addressed his relatives by name. I suppose the mafia has a crack team of polyglot handwriting forgers at their disposal.

Worst part of this case is the people cheering one side or the other like its a football match and completely ignoring evidence to the contrary.

Agree, a very poor documentary.

Such as "shown footage Wai Phyo was dressed in long jeans, a T-shirt and a long sleeved ‘winter’ top. Odd attire considering the temperature at that time, especially when the 15+ other people in the room were wearing light clothes and T-shirts."

Most construction workers in Thailand dress this way, many even wear beanies..... heck even normal Thai office workers wear jackets in the office

So most points in the documentary were beaten to death in the papers, they just made it more dramtatic by introducing things that are irrelevant or has already been proven but they refuse/did not care to point it out to keep viewers on the edge of their seat

Wai Phyo worked in a restaurant, not as a construction worker and his choice of cloths were ACTUALLY very strange, considering the heat, humidity and his previous choice of clothing.

A lot of what the documentary pointed out are correct but maybe a little bit filtered.

Nothing has been proven up until now, everything is kept under covers, outsiders still don't know the truth apart from everyone who's followed the killings and rapes of multiple westerners during the last couple of years, knows that Koh Tao ISN'T safe for anyone to visit. There's not a single case who's been solved on KT in years.

Apparently, according to a senior police officer at the time, the lack of police on Koh Tao necessitated the "help" of locals to secure contaminate the crime scene in the "Hannah and David" case. But this, and many other glaring inconsistencies in the investigation didn't matter one hoot at the end of the day. As soon as the B2 were arrested, they were guilty in the eyes of the police, and any other verdict would have meant huge loss of face for the RTP and the prosecution. The underlying theme now seems to be "OK, we made a few mistakes along the way, but in the end we got the right perpetrators of the crime - after all, they've been found guilty in a Court of Law!"

Hi News Team,

I think it would be a very good idea, if you could just do some proof reading and spell checking of the news items that you post?? it does not take a lot of time and the results are well worth it>>>>

Thai Visa News Team did not write this article, Samui Times wrote the article, you can contact them here:

http://www.samuitimes.com/contact-us/

I suspect that's not exactly the response that hoffy66 expected to his suggestion:- "I think it would be a very good idea, if you could just do some proof reading and spell checking of the news items that you post??"

However, I also suspect that any alteration to another journal's articles would not be allowed when they give permission for such articles to be used in another media publication?

So if they had to get permission to reprint this article, would you think they might have thought to ask if it were okay to correct any mistakes they found, i mean after all , when you are presenting stories to a mixed population, some of who are not up to speed with the english language, i would presenting good english would be the way to go?? also where is the "duty of care" or does that not happen in this country...

" would you think they might have thought to ask if it were okay to correct any mistakes they found,"

I don't profess to know anything about journalism, but I do know that what you are suggesting would not just be about losing face for the Samui Times, but a slap in the face for the journalist responsible for the article! You don't ask to "borrow" a News article and then set about altering it - either for correction or otherwise. If you wanted to deviously put in one or two false facts, then the Samui Times could be hit by a lawsuit - not you as it is their article that would be under question.

Also, you could possibly do with a proof reader of your own! :-

".some of who are not up to speed with the english language, i would presenting good english would be the way to go??"

Huh? And "English" should be capitalised

Disregarding the law by driving drunk, under the influence of drugs, exceeding the speed limit is paramount to a pre-meditated offence - - he was well aware that he would have been breaking the law,therefore it was a pre- meditated act.

" exceeding the speed limit is paramount to a pre-meditated offence - - he was well aware that he would have been breaking the law,therefore it was a pre- meditated act."

So regardless or not whether he was under the influence of drugs or alcohol, are you saying that anyone who is speeding and is involved in an accident where someone dies should be charged with premeditated murder?

Actually, I don't mind so much. Many people forget that we are guests in this beautiful country! Try to get a Visa in The Netherlands, while being a Thai! Virtually impossible! My son tried iths for his (American!), wife. No sir cannot do! Now he's living since four years happily in The United States with his wife.. I'm sure there are many country's whom are far more difficult than Thailand! I don't mind giving my bank account, heck, they might even decide to put money on it!

As for the bitching towards all that is Thai: Simple, don't do that! You are a guest, behave like a guest! if you don't like it, go back to where you came from! Nobody is forcing you to stay in Thailand... As far as I'm concerned Thailand is my new home country and I intend to stay here until my dying day. I love Thailand!! Came here in 2007 and hope to stay here for many years to come.....

" if you don't like it, go back to where you came from! " Yawn - again!

Absolute BS for the intended purpose to track down terrorists and criminals. National security??What about Thai criminals which frequently disappeared in the past?? The only purpose I see is to sample information, which otherwise would be difficult and costly to access. But as it is not mandatory to fill in...in more than 30 years here I never gave them any information regarding my bank details.

Well, if you are here on a marriage or retirement visa they will have already had access to the details of whatever account your supporting money is held in.

Not necessarily if your your "Proof of Income" is via a letter provided by your Embassy.

Nice peaceful Buddhists, This county lost its way along time ago.!

Sigh! You, together with the 16 other posters who agree with you, need to give it a rest, for a change. Since the LoS (according to you) lost it's way a long time ago, then what "possesses" the likes of you to remain there, from (apparently) a long time ago, eh? Good morning

Sigh! Another one from the "if you don't like it, go home" brigade.

Hi News Team,

I think it would be a very good idea, if you could just do some proof reading and spell checking of the news items that you post?? it does not take a lot of time and the results are well worth it>>>>

Thai Visa News Team did not write this article, Samui Times wrote the article, you can contact them here:

http://www.samuitimes.com/contact-us/

I suspect that's not exactly the response that hoffy66 expected to his suggestion:- "I think it would be a very good idea, if you could just do some proof reading and spell checking of the news items that you post??"

However, I also suspect that any alteration to another journal's articles would not be allowed when they give permission for such articles to be used in another media publication?

Yap yap yap...is what I hear reading this. Same same.

So what do you want the cops to do--------- come out and shout at these young boys and endanger their own lives standing in the line of fire.Leave it for 24hrs and do a local house search---much safer

It would be nice if the cops helped protect the innocent bystanders. This was not out in the boondocks, it was in the center of the city.

About 5 years ago, not more than 100 meters from where this happened, we were in the middle of something similar. Picture a 4 lane road where the pickup trucks filled with people are not moving since everyone is water playing. A bottle was thrown, severely cutting one of the young lads. Out comes a gun and everyone scrambles for cover. Understand that the people playing water include many little kids. There were many hundreds of people in that section of road.

IMHO, the cops should try to prevent this from happening, and if something does happen, they should try to protect the innocents.

@1 rule for Songkran: no water containers - large or small - should be allowed on any pick up truck for water throwing in Thailand! No water throwing from any vehicles should be allowed. This little measure would eliminate already a lot of accidents. Why doesn't our present military government think of such a rule?

Perhaps another rule should be no water throwing at people on motor bikes? This is a very dangerous practice - especially when the water contains washing up liquid or some other eye irritant - a recipe for an accident to happen.

Walking around in Thailand with no shirt on is illegal, It always has been

Well, blow me down with a feather! Does that mean that the police have been neglecting their duties for ever?

Are the cops pointing in the direction the bullets went?

Yes, thought we'd lost it for a while, but the old "pointing finger" is back! The chief photographer must have been on holiday for a few weeks!

Regarding another point, the cops here are underpaid (in a civilised country, the cost of their uniforms, motor bikes, guns etc would all be paid for out of taxation - surely here the brown envelopes could do the job?) And if only 2 cops are on duty at a given time, then they should be provided with more heavy duty armaments (after adequate training, of course!) - maybe a couple of machine guns and stun grenades? Could make a good line for a film don't you think i.e. "Call that a gun? THIS is a gun" - and a short sharp burst over their heads would probably be enough to disperse the cowardly "Men in Black"!

Confiscate their selfie hardware. They can pick it up on departure day.

No - sell it, give the proceeds to some charity, and make departure day today. They were told "don't do it", there are signs saying "don't do it", but they carry on regardless - total disregard of Thai culture, and lack of respect for anybody. Their "hardware" is well named!

This is a major step in the right direction. Now if Thailand's finest would turn their attention to the open-sandal problem, the country would be well on the road to a thorough reversion to Buddhist standards.

In short, there are too many middle-aged farangs wandering around the provinces in open-toed sandals - with many of them displaying naked big toes for all to see!

The correct attire, as every sartorially-educated foreigner knows full well, is a pair of business socks - black or dark grey, it matters not - worn between the foot and the footwear, to cover the offending protuberances.

A modest fine of, say, 25,000 Baht in the first instance would soon stamp out this gross offence to Thai sensibilities.

Hear, hear! And what about the sleeveless vest with the large protuberances at the front? I feel that these items of attire should only be allowed to be worn by pregnant females, and any male found wearing one in public (especially during the day when there are numerous police available to monitor the situation) should be given an on the spot fine of 25,000 baht, or 3 months attitude adjustment training.

And next...........? Oh, yes shorts that are too long - health hazard? Too many pockets to hide illegal substances?

and if it where you what then ????? i doubt this was a squabble over damaged cars, seems cut and dried who was to blame with the accident, i suspect drugs in the murderer, you dont just pull a gun in a RTA

Savages with guns=death. Thankfully innocent bystanders were not killed during this squabble over damaged cars, pathetic.

"and if it where you what then ?????"

Huh?

Savages with guns=death. Thankfully innocent bystanders were not killed during this squabble over damaged cars, pathetic.

Reading the post properly "implies" that there was possibly more to it than just damaged cars! i.e.

"Harrison said the former defensive end had dined just hours before the Saturday night crash with a police officer who had once been sued by Hayes, whose father was shot and killed by police in 2005."

Curious to know who these Iran people are.

Influential people demand the attention of three police colonels and five police stations?

My thoughts entirely! When I first saw the headline I thought "Yawn - another day, another tourist robbed/beaten up/harassed " etc etc etc. After all, it's not exactly an out of the ordinary happening in Pattaya, is it? And most of the time it is not even reported as it's not considered newsworthy. But "three police colonels and five police stations?" Someone of some importance methinks!

"As the world’s business leader in quality food"

You what?

​McDonald's?

Quality food?

Don't think so.

Totally agree! They may be the world's leader in a particular type of food, (reconsituted c**p!), but QUALITY?

How are they allowed to get away with such outrageous statements, and blatant lies?

Ah, back to the pointing fingers again! Maybe because of an apparent lack of a sizable police presence - unless they're all behind the camera, of course, which would also be a surprise in itself!

The only people that legal action should be taken against are the people responsible for the site security. A bunch of incompetents

So when somebody robs your house its your fault because your security was not good enough, including accidently leaving your front door unlocked. And the cops should arrest you.

TH

Surely if you accidently (accidentally?) left your front door open and somebody robbed your house, it WOULD be your fault, and I am sure that the Insurance Company would also see it that way!