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Pattaya46, on 04 Apr 2015 - 13:47, said:

Faz" data-cid="9267832" data-time="1428114399" data-date="Today, 09:26 said:

If your going to stay in Thailand it's worth considering the effort to get your own proof of address as it can save so much time, effort and cost in the long run

Hi. In my case it costed me a lot of time and 3 visits to try and don't manage to get it at Pattaya. The employee 3rd time admited I would not get one because not married to a Thai... It was in 2008, and I since heard of single guys who managed to get one though... Maybe I could try again?

But after 8 year living here, I would have need it only once: to buy my bike. A letter from immigration was OK. So I can't say the Yellow Book would be useful for me.

The Act was amended in 2008, so you either applied before the change or your Amphur were not aware of the change.

Doesn't matter if your single or married, as long as you have or had a Visa. (Visa exempt stamps do not qualify)

Thai Civil Registration Act (No.2) B.E. 2551

Given on the 15th day of February, B.E. 2551 (2008),

Being the 63th Year of the Present Reign

His Majesty King Bhumibol Adulyadej has been graciously pleased to proclaim that:

Whereas it is expedient to revise the law on civil registration,

This Act consists of some provisions limiting personal rights and freedom in conformity with Section 29 with Section 34, 35 and 56 of the Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand.

Be it, therefore, enacted by the King, by and with the advice and consent of the Constituent Assembly in the capacity of the National Assembly, as follows.

Section 21. Section 38 of the Civil Registration Act B.E. 2534 shall be repealed and replaced by the following:

“Section 38. The district or local registrar shall issue a household registration for persons without Thai nationality having been permitted to stay temporarily and those having been giving leniency for temporary residence in the Thai Kingdom as a special case in accordance with law on immigration and the declaration of the Cabinet and their children born within the Thai Kingdom. In a case of permission of temporary residence overdue, the registrar shall immediately dispose of such persons.
The Director of Central Registration shall make profile registration for persons without Thai nationality besides those under paragraph one in accordance with the declaration of the Cabinet.

chrisinth, on 04 Apr 2015 - 12:02, said:

As i understand it, the yellow book was introduced for Thais (not falangs) that were working out of Provence as a means of proof of their temporary address. This saved them the hassle of being added to the blue book of the address they were temporarily staying.

It works the same for foreigners in the respect that it is a temporary addition to the relevant blue book for the address they are staying at.

Your first sentence is probably true Chris. The Act was amended in 2008 to allow all foreigners with temporary permission to stay in Thailand to register their address and obtain a Yellow Tabian Ban.

Your second sentence is correct. The Yellow book is also recorded on the Blue book of the principal Thai resident.

What personal circumstances? Such as?

There is an Act covering this issue and the requirements are the same.

condobrit001, on 04 Apr 2015 - 10:25, said:

Does the yellow title deed I got from the Land Department when I purchased my condo perform the same function as this yellow book?

No, that's your Title Deed (ownership) not necessarily your registered address as you could rent it out.

The Yellow House book has nothing to do with ownership, it is proof of your registered address in Thailand.

You register your address at the local Amphur and they issue a Yellow house book as proof.

TomYumpoochai, on 04 Apr 2015 - 09:59, said:

Theres a yellow banner covering the top 1/3rd of my phone demanding i go to *thaivisa flights* i dont want any <deleted> flights and i dont want stupid yellow banners blocking my phone.

Do you think TV is trying to give you a message Tom?

In Roi Et the Amphur are very accommodating and speak good English.

For my Tabian Ban, I only required the following;

Original Documents.

1. Passport.

2. Tabian Ban. (House owners)

Copies.

1. Passport Home Page.

2. Passport page of current Visa or Extension

3. House ownersTabian Ban (signed with tele number)

4. House owners ID card (signed with telephone number)

5. Certificate of Residence (Obtained from Roi Et Police station)

6. Translation of Passport Home Page into Thai, with attached photo.

7. 2^nd Passport Photo for the application form.

My landlady had to accompany me to sign the application form. I translated the homepage of my passport using IM translator (legalisation not required)

40 minutes, in and out with my own Yellow Book.

I did ask the boss at our Amphur why so many foreigners have problems getting a Tabian Ban (Yellow Book).

He blames the Amphurs for not knowing the correct procedure when it comes to dealing with foreigners, so they make their own rules to cover their own incompetence and make it virtually impossible.

ubonjoe, on 03 Apr 2015 - 13:36, said:

It automatically changes lower case to upper case is what I was writing about.

What! And I used the caps lock when I needn't have

Sorry Joe, it wasn't directed at you, it was a general comment.

With so many stating they can't get beyond the first step (page) it was a reminder they have to use capitals for the personal information.

Make sure you complete the form in block CAPITALS except for e-mail address.

This is the notification slip viewable from the Immigration website when your application has been accepted and is 'pending' acceptance.

I've edited personal information, so I hope the Mods will allow the view.

Thanyaburi Mac, on 02 Apr 2015 - 14:04, said:

Faz

Was it the YELLOW tambien ban you got, or the blue one?

I have the Yellow.

Mac

Yes Mac, the Yellow Book.

Only foreigners with 'permanent residency' status are allowed on the Blue Books, otherwise they're all Yellow.

Yes, the boss at our Amphur speaks good English, which is a huge advantage and seems to know his stuff.

Apart from the usual copies of passport etc, he says the only requirement is a Certificate of Residence, and a translation of your passport home page + 2 passport photo's.

The local Roi Et Police Station will issue Certificates of Residence, and I did the translations, using IM Translator (notarisation or legalisation not required).

Maybe I'm lucky, but I put it down to an Amphur well trained and conversant with the rules.

They won't issue them for Visa exempt stamps.

Mario2008, on 02 Apr 2015 - 09:36, said:

Foreigners can be added, under conditions. One of them is that you live in Thailand and are not here as a tourist.

OP is not living in Thailand and does not have concrete plans to do so in the near future.

Define 'temporary residence' Mario.

According to our local Amphur anyone holding even a Tourist Visa has been given 'temporary residence' to enter and live in the Kingdom.

I've successfully taken some through the process of obtaining a Tabian Ban who were on Tourist and Non Imm O Visas that don't live in Thailand.

“Section 38. The district or local registrar shall issue a household registration for persons without Thai nationality having been permitted to stay temporarily and those having been giving leniency for temporary residence in the Thai Kingdom as a special case in accordance with law on immigration and the declaration of the Cabinet and their children born within the Thai Kingdom. In a case of permission of temporary residence overdue, the registrar shall immediately dispose of such persons.

The Director of Central Registration shall make profile registration for persons without Thai nationality besides those under paragraph one in accordance with the declaration of the Cabinet.

@Nakrob,

According to the Thai Civil Registration Act even foreigners can be registered on a Tabian Ban.

Since I acquired my own (Yellow Book), I've found it extremely useful, no negatives, just positives.

Cuts through a whole heap of acquiring and producing other documents for certain administration processes.

Take your wife's advise and get them registered (including yourself) on your next visit.

My next report date is 9/4/15. Today being the 2nd and the final day I could report online (15 -7 days before), I thought I'd give it a stab.

Went straight through. Printed of the Acknowledgement with transaction reference number and barcode.

I live in Roi Et, report to Amnat Charoen.

Status now says 'PENDING'.

Your correct Joe, a post code isn't even requested on the application form.

I'm guessing if you can't complete the process then either your details on their database aren't matching the details you submit, or your details haven't yet been entered on the online system.

A couple of TV members have reported successfully submitting their online report, whilst others still get the 'contact your local immigration' message, including a member from BKK where I thought was the first to accept the new system.

Just wondered if it could be postcode related.

I think it's all down to the discretion of the office you apply at.

In Roi Et province the'll issue a 1 year on a Tourist Visa and a 5 year on a single entry Non Imm O Visa.

I must admit I haven't yet had the experience of being in Thailand for the songkran festival, so this will be my first.

I don't understand why so many want to escape this traditional festival?

Do you feel to old for a bit of fun, or lack a sense of humour? Curious!

I'm up for it, armed and ready with a bag of flour and a plentiful supply of 'water bombs'. (Balloons filled with water).

Sorry to upset the apple cart but Amnat always give the next 90 day report, 90 days after the previous due date regardless of the date you apply.

My last report was due on 9/1/15. I posted it on 24/12/14. Received it back around 5/1/15.

Next report date is due 9/4/15.

Entered Thailand 27/4/14 on a 90 day Non Imm O.

Converted to retirement extension on 16/7/2014.

90 day reports thereafter from 16/7/14.

I have never attended Immigration on the due date of my 90 day report, always 1-2 weeks earlier.

After the April report I expect my next report to be due 8/7/15.

My extension expires 25/7/15.

I haven't experienced what your describing.

Another Immigration inconsistency?

rawhod, on 30 Mar 2015 - 08:47, said:rawhod, on 30 Mar 2015 - 08:47, said:rawhod, on 30 Mar 2015 - 08:47, said:rawhod, on 30 Mar 2015 - 08:47, said:rawhod, on 30 Mar 2015 - 08:47, said:

I normally do my in person 90 day report 3 - 4 days before it is due.

Using the on-line reporting, you report, at the latest, 7 days before the due date. If you leave an extra 3 days in case of problems, you are doing the report 10 days before the due date.

Assuming that the date you do the on-line report determines the next due date, you lose 10 days every report.

Your reporting does then, in effect, become an 80 day report.

This means that in a 2 year period you are doing one extra 90 (80) day report.

You don't lose any days. The date of your next report will always be 90 days from when your last report was due, not from the date you reported.

I always previously applied by post 15 days before the 90 day report date. My new report date is always 90 days from the last report date.

My next report date is 9th April and the one after that will be due 8th July.

I suspect that the reason you have to apply online at the latest 7 days before, is in case there is a problem, which then allows you another 14 days to attend your Immigration office in person.

Maestro, on 30 Mar 2015 - 04:07, said:

There is one important element missing in your post. Tell me what, in your example, the date shown after "UNTIL", ie the expration of his permission to stay, is in the arrival stamp and I can tell you that this date will be the date after "UNTIL", ie the expiration of his permission to stay, in the arrival stamp he gets when he enters with a valid re-entry permit.

Eaxmple:

1. I sent off my application for a single-entry non-ED visa on 27 MAR 2015.
2. The Thai consulate issues the visa on 31 MAR 2015 with "ENTER BEFORE 30 JUN 2015"
3. I receive my passport with the visa back in the mail on 02 APR 2015.
4. I fly from Milan to Bangkok on 08 APR 2015 and arrive on 09 APR 2015.
5. I get an arrival stamp "ADMITTED 09 APR 2015, UNTIL 07 JUL 2015"
6. On 12 JUN 2015, I get a re-entry stamp at BKK airport "Valid Until 07 JUL 2015" and fly to Singapore on the same date.
7. On 15 JUN 2015, I fly back to BKK (missed two days of classes) and get an arrival stamp "ADMITTED 15 JUN 2015, UNTIL 07 JUL 2015"

Do you see the difference between the visa expiration date of 30 JUN 2015 and the re-entry permission to stay expiration date of 07 JUL 2015, both highlighted above in bold red?

Maestro,

Thanks for taking the time to explain the difference in detail between the Visa expiry date and the permission to stay date through your example.

I knew what I meant but chose the incorrect wording. I appreciate your correction and won't make that mistake again.

You had about as much sleep as I did last night.

Thongkorn, on 30 Mar 2015 - 01:05, said:

Faz, on 29 Mar 2015 - 23:43, said:

That's called 'face'.

That's part of Asian culture, where the more money and assets you own, then the greater your standing and respect in society.

When your wife or family discuss a persons wealth, they are actually discussing where that person fits into the pecking order in their society.

Didn't he / she do well for themselves, they have greater 'face' than someone who was less fortunate.

This face bushiness is a load of <deleted>, its just a way of not being aloe to face up to your responsibility. I have an extended Thai family none of them have heard of losing face, we call it embarrassment because you have been caught out.

Yep, accusing or embarrassing someone in front of others degrades that person.

Asians call it 'face', how someone is held in esteem to others.

Accusing, embarrassing or confronting a Thai in the wrong manner in front of others is not the thing to do.

They may react by ignoring you, walking away or even worse attacking you.

They take it very seriously, they are proud people.

A Thai women will immediately gain face within her family and friends if she marries a farang for example, because they think we are considered wealthy.

In most cases that's true when you compare even a foreign pension against an average Thais earnings.

Thanks for the link Maestro. Yes I understand the difference.

However in the OP case he has an ED Visa which for arguments sake had an expiry date of 31/4/15.

After re-entering Thailand from his second trip wouldn't his permission to stay still be until that expiry date.

He would have to apply for another ED Visa (another application) and the re-entry permit wouldn't cover that Visa.

Isn't the end of his permission to stay and his valid until Visa date the same in this case.

Correct me where I'm wrong. We all live and learn.