UbonRatch

Bomb rocks capital - 2cm deep hole.

Ok.

Post of the day!! IMHO.

Simple, sweet, hilarious, to the point, takes the proverbial and with such a few words.

dream on this is Thailand the Hub of jealousy envy greed and corruption

You forgot the lying to you with a smile and thinking its ok as long as you look good. For all prayuths good intentions he should see you cant teach an old dog new tricks. The ruling generation have been raised and bred to be the way they are. They cant and will never adapt to prayuths ideals. If prayuth is to succeed his needs to get rid of the old and start new.

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The ruling generation are no longer ruling. What's your point?

Prayuth has already, and clearly, indicated he's having none of the previous riff-raff put forth for new governmental elections, yet he doesn't know where the new will come from. That indicates status quo until large change arrives.

Therefore, his intent is not to teach old dogs new tricks, and as I've indicated previously, expect a long haul with this lot at the top - They are not going to lose face whatsoever, and give in and hand back to a pile of shiites that believe they can revert back to graft.

Hence, Prayuth is not expecting adaptation to his ideals. Adaptation is a non-word in his book. He is definitively looking for new sources of rule potential, not akin to prior, and not bred from the same old.

The Thai nation and the Thai people are not corrupt.

There are corrupt people who are mostly those in positions of power or of the criminal type but the vast majority of the Thai people are not corrupt.

The vast majority are good honest hard working people who in the past they have put up with the corruption that their so called leaders have imposed on them for there was nothing they could do about it.

6 months back people started to come out on the streets as they had seen the damage a corrupt government was doing to the country.

Now they can see that there no longer needs to be corruption and that there is a way it can be tackled and brought under control if not eliminated.

There will, I am sure, be ways in the not to distant future that honest people can report and fight against corruption without the fear they have had in the past.

It will then be the corrupt that have to fear the honest people. As it should be.

Who was it that said "The people should not fear the government the government should fear the people"

Thai people are all corrupt, they embrace corruption as a way of life, its part of their culture.

Have you ever been to Thailand? Probably not as your reply displays a vast ignorance of Thai ways.

Hawk, you're way out of line on this one.

To actually have the audacity to write, "Thai people are all corrupt". Where do you really, and truthfully get that from?

E.g. my wife - yes, let's go there! She's Thai, thus included in your all.

University lecturer. Owns her own home, spare condo, own car, has lots in the bank from frugal spending, wise saving, and NEVER ever been corrupt, involved in corruption, supported anything corrupt. How do you justify involving my wife in your insinuation of 'all', when she distincly, vehemently, is repulsed by corruption and rejects it, far from embracing it?

And I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has a good, honest, uncorrupt life partner, be they male or female, man or wife.

Verify, in the best way you can, how you can distinctly offer to the table here, that all Thais are corrupt and embrace corruption, please.

I am not even going to bother debating about what your wife likes or doesn't like but when the need arises they all make a deal.

Please explain. Deals about or on what? They all do? Could you please define 'they all'? I'm asking nicely - for now.

Personally I'm not interested if you ask nicely or not! Anyway as I said above, I am not going to debate what I said, if you find my statements difficult to understand then back to school you should go.

Trying not to understand the obvious is a common problem for many people, especially in Thailand.

Your statements are not difficult to understand whatsoever. You assert ALL THAIS ARE CORRUPT. That's simple to see.

It is clear that you carry about with you a great deal of baggage, almost like De Nero in The Mission. When you see fit to release it, then maybe you'll see new light, and discover that not all Thais are corrupt, as you initially asserted, and maintain is obvious; the latter being your own viewpoint, of course.

Personally, I don't believe there is a common problem for many people, especially in Thailand, believing that everybody is corrupt. The fact that you are not even prepared to debate your down-right obnoxious comment that all Thais are corrupt is further indication of your own bad experiences, and a lack of will to even entertain different viewpoints. Further weight to your baggage is that.

I hope one day you wake up to the fact that, indeed, far from all Thais are corrupt, and the majority are hard working, honest people, with good intent, and deep care for those around them, especially when in need- the latter being very far from the same situation in the West, where people disown you, frown, laugh at you, and leave you in the gutter when hard times hit.

To finish, not all Thais are corrupt, and far from it. The problem in viewing as such lays within you, alone. If anybody here disagrees with my last comment, please feel free to comment and explain why I am wrong in my debate, or my opinion, of what has been clearly stated.

The Thai nation and the Thai people are not corrupt.

There are corrupt people who are mostly those in positions of power or of the criminal type but the vast majority of the Thai people are not corrupt.

The vast majority are good honest hard working people who in the past they have put up with the corruption that their so called leaders have imposed on them for there was nothing they could do about it.

6 months back people started to come out on the streets as they had seen the damage a corrupt government was doing to the country.

Now they can see that there no longer needs to be corruption and that there is a way it can be tackled and brought under control if not eliminated.

There will, I am sure, be ways in the not to distant future that honest people can report and fight against corruption without the fear they have had in the past.

It will then be the corrupt that have to fear the honest people. As it should be.

Who was it that said "The people should not fear the government the government should fear the people"

Thai people are all corrupt, they embrace corruption as a way of life, its part of their culture.

Have you ever been to Thailand? Probably not as your reply displays a vast ignorance of Thai ways.

Hawk, you're way out of line on this one.

To actually have the audacity to write, "Thai people are all corrupt". Where do you really, and truthfully get that from?

E.g. my wife - yes, let's go there! She's Thai, thus included in your all.

University lecturer. Owns her own home, spare condo, own car, has lots in the bank from frugal spending, wise saving, and NEVER ever been corrupt, involved in corruption, supported anything corrupt. How do you justify involving my wife in your insinuation of 'all', when she distincly, vehemently, is repulsed by corruption and rejects it, far from embracing it?

And I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has a good, honest, uncorrupt life partner, be they male or female, man or wife.

Verify, in the best way you can, how you can distinctly offer to the table here, that all Thais are corrupt and embrace corruption, please.

I am not even going to bother debating about what your wife likes or doesn't like but when the need arises they all make a deal.

Please explain. Deals about or on what? They all do? Could you please define 'they all'? I'm asking nicely - for now.

The following video strictly follows the "no nipples" policy from FB, so i assume it's fit to watch on TV:

Where is the Thai answer to this vid?

Yeah, Okey. Scientific impossibility. Soz for the wish. Wife just pokes me in the eye...

When the rot has set in there is no way to remove it! The nation is corrupt and therefore there is no magic that can ever fix that fact or rectify the situation.

Thais love their fairy tales but reality is a whole different world. Its all been tried before and always ended in failure and this will be just more of the same. No coup was ever successful in bringing about constructive change in the country.

The Thai nation and the Thai people are not corrupt.

There are corrupt people who are mostly those in positions of power or of the criminal type but the vast majority of the Thai people are not corrupt.

The vast majority are good honest hard working people who in the past they have put up with the corruption that their so called leaders have imposed on them for there was nothing they could do about it.

6 months back people started to come out on the streets as they had seen the damage a corrupt government was doing to the country.

Now they can see that there no longer needs to be corruption and that there is a way it can be tackled and brought under control if not eliminated.

There will, I am sure, be ways in the not to distant future that honest people can report and fight against corruption without the fear they have had in the past.

It will then be the corrupt that have to fear the honest people. As it should be.

Who was it that said "The people should not fear the government the government should fear the people"

Thai people are all corrupt, they embrace corruption as a way of life, its part of their culture.

Have you ever been to Thailand? Probably not as your reply displays a vast ignorance of Thai ways.

Hawk, you're way out of line on this one.

To actually have the audacity to write, "Thai people are all corrupt". Where do you really, and truthfully get that from?

E.g. my wife - yes, let's go there! She's Thai, thus included in your all.

University lecturer. Owns her own home, spare condo, own car, has lots in the bank from frugal spending, wise saving, and NEVER ever been corrupt, involved in corruption, supported anything corrupt. How do you justify involving my wife in your insinuation of 'all', when she distincly, vehemently, is repulsed by corruption and rejects it, far from embracing it?

And I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has a good, honest, uncorrupt life partner, be they male or female, man or wife.

Verify, in the best way you can, how you can distinctly offer to the table here, that all Thais are corrupt and embrace corruption, please.

Of course, after all is done, clean up, reform, elections, new government.......the army will remain in the background, watching and checking if

things don't go for worse again, or back to the old ways. Like a separate entity, a watchdog.

Watching the new government. What and whoever that may be will have to tread carefully, to not stir up big green brother.

Sort of like it was before?!

Do you not think it possible that the so called new government elect could be legally elected from the current crop of army leaders, in a coasha election?

A green government, so to say?

Brazil's new upcoming star has just been added to their 23 man world cup squad.

Refereeinho is expected to solidify their place at the top of the world stage.

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For jeez sake Nation writers. Are you lot the three monkeys in reality. A reasonably good analogy ruined by this monkey trite at the end:-

"He must declare that it won't be his forever"...what do you think he has been saying right from day one.

But to say it in military lingo, He talks the talk, but does he walk the walk ?

My bet is on the good general taking enough time / not too long and then step by step pass it back to a full democratic mechanism.

And I hope he does take enough time to get it right.

What do others think?

I'm not so sure about 'not too long'.

Prayuth seems to be enjoying every moment of his new found passion. Plus, to go with it, his popularity is soaring (justly).

I could well foresee the possibility of him contesting elections come September, and winning; Thus, becoming a legitimate military elected primeminister.

Whatever happens I, as you, sure hope he takes some time to see through all that he's set in motion so rapidly.

"Separately, NACC member Prasart Pongsivapai said the commission had not yet considered the request filed by Yingluck's lawyer asking the NACC to investigate another eight witnesses from her side in the case of negligence related to the rice-pledging scheme that she is facing. He said he was not sure if the request would be on the NACC meeting agenda next week."

Speaking of which, where is she lately, and Chalerm, and the rest of the cronies? There has been absolutely no news, AFAIK, about where they are and what they are doing. Are they all under house arrest? Banned from media contact?

And nothing at all from the narcissist in Dubai. Where is the news of the mottley crew?

Presumably you were aware that the caretaker government were taken into custody (along with hundreds of others over the past few weeks) and told they would be rearrested if they made any comments against the coup or anything that could be construed by the junta as creating unrest. If they did they would be jailed for two years. As there is no precise definition of what could be construed as "creating unrest" they have decided that discretion is the better part of valour - for now.

Of course you knew all this, as you regularly comment knowledgeably on the political situation in Thailand, right?

My apologies, Scouse ( ). Aye, I was aware; I was just pertaining to the news not being quite as entertaining without Chalerm's weekly absurdities.

I genuinely do miss his empty threats and whacko ideas. ....................................................................... ..

It is now the Junta's responsibility and if they want to gain some respect from the world they will start pulling in those involved including people like the owners of C.P and order them to clean up the mess.

The slave operators and slaves should just go about their business.

You're kidding, right?

CP buys the ship operators' goods. Those goods are the result of slavery. Therefore, they are a direct party to funding slavery.

Tesco et al. buy CP's goods, Therefore, they are a direct party to slavery in funding CP which funds the shipping goods.

This is not in parallel; it's in series, and it's not third or fourth hand optics, whereby one blames the other. This is a matter of who supports the chain, and all chain members need to break their links, not one. If one link is broken, there is always a dick-link to step in and repair it, so far.

It is not a junta responsibility to stop the trade. That is a moral and purchasing responsibility involving the ruddy whole lot of the parties involved.

As for your comment, "The slave operators and slaves should just go about their business" - despicable!

Yes, I WAS kidding that was what you SEEMED to be saying. But it turns out that's what you mean. So now I'm not kidding. According to you, the junta should not stop the slave trade. According to you, the slave operators and slaves should just go about their business while CP and similar chain members are busted. And repeat: According to you the junta has no responsibility to step in to stop the trade because slavery is just a moral issue.

And *I* am despicable? I'm tempted to wear that proudly as a badge. Good grief.

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I'm talking about the whole trade Godammit. The trade from Tesco, the final customer, all the way down to the fish food sales. Not the slave trade as an entity. The WHOLE trade involves all the links. Yes, the Junta should stop the shipping/fishing - I said that previously, where I also said it's very easy to do.

The junta has no say in what Tesco, or Walmart, or Tom, Dick and Harry does, so no - they cannot stop the trade - as a whole!

Try not to complicate matters for yourself ja.

Jesus wept. Is this the best The Nation can do to explain a failed political system, endemic corruption and massive failings in the application of the law? Try this - Grandapa Yoo takes a lesson from China's purge on corruption and ruthlessly pursues those responsible for systemic corruption and applies draconian prison sentences to Grandas In and Na and the rest of the relatives. And the rest of us can live happily ever after.

How about simply try this?

Prayuth is doing nothing ironic. He is deliberating, taking advice from educated Thais who've been kept in the dark for years, by a suppressing previous government, and he's making headwaves like a Tsunami, at speeds faster than previous governmental/coup leaders could only dream of.

He's achieving on a major scale, in tremendously positive ways for Thailand and its people, and he's hell bent on eradicating corruption and all that goes with it.

Sod the fairy tales...

This man is for real, and doing an excellent job when considering the huge steaming turd he walked into!

Hi Ubon,

Please can you tell us who these " educated Thais who've been kept in the dark for years" are?

Are these the same 'educated' Thais who fill parliament, the army, the police, judges and those who created the system in what we work?

Be interested to hear some names of these people who have been suppressed. Quite ironic really talking about suppression now...............

Read up on the UNIVERSITY professors who are currently called to Prayuth's meetings as advisors, and you'll find they are the same ones ignored by PTP when warning about impending financial impossibilities and disastrously expensive project proposals.

It is now the Junta's responsibility and if they want to gain some respect from the world they will start pulling in those involved including people like the owners of C.P and order them to clean up the mess.

The slave operators and slaves should just go about their business.

You're kidding, right?

CP buys the ship operators' goods. Those goods are the result of slavery. Therefore, they are a direct party to funding slavery.

Tesco et al. buy CP's goods, Therefore, they are a direct party to slavery in funding CP which funds the shipping goods.

This is not in parallel; it's in series, and it's not third or fourth hand optics, whereby one blames the other. This is a matter of who supports the chain, and all chain members need to break their links, not one. If one link is broken, there is always a dick-link to step in and repair it, so far.

It is not a junta responsibility to stop the trade. That is a moral and purchasing responsibility involving the ruddy whole lot of the parties involved.

As for your comment, "The slave operators and slaves should just go about their business" - despicable!

Next we will have the PTP and Dems squabbling over who is Grandpa In and who is Grandpa Na.

Classic!

"Separately, NACC member Prasart Pongsivapai said the commission had not yet considered the request filed by Yingluck's lawyer asking the NACC to investigate another eight witnesses from her side in the case of negligence related to the rice-pledging scheme that she is facing. He said he was not sure if the request would be on the NACC meeting agenda next week."

Speaking of which, where is she lately, and Chalerm, and the rest of the cronies? There has been absolutely no news, AFAIK, about where they are and what they are doing. Are they all under house arrest? Banned from media contact?

And nothing at all from the narcissist in Dubai. Where is the news of the mottley crew?

Mr. T's daughters went to London on ' business ' many months ago and nothing has been heard about them since.

I sure hope they didn't visit Manchester City and get hit by a tram. Honest.

They now speak English well.

"now speak good English"

Good is being used as an adjective correctly modifying "English."

"They now speak English well."

"Well" is being used as an adverb modifying "speak." Not quite the same thing.

And, if you are a farang posting in the Education forum or filling out an application to teach English, you would write: " I talk English real good."

Most native English speakers who post on Thai Visa are not in a position to judge Thai spoken/written English ... or that of anyone else.

Your analysis seems to me, a mere plebian, to be technically correct, however "good English" is somewhat clumsier (for want of a better word) than using the adverb "well", to my ear. Or your analysis may be technically incorrect...I"ll have to ask my Thai wife; she's the grammar expert.

Technically, Suradit's English is grammatically correct, although VERY awkard usage.

It's awkard because English is uncountable, in this instance, and we generally don't use 'good' in this order. However, it is correct.

A simile would be, "They now drink good water." In English, we simply wouldn't say this. We wouldn't use 'good' for water, nor the present simple for 'now'.

Of course, it is much better English to say or write, "They now speak English well." So you are both correct, although Suradit's example of English is too awkward for general usage.

The deputy head of Ramkhamhaeng Uni. said cheating is not a serious matter and now it's OK for Thai students to cheat.

Bill Clinton said BJs weren't sex so now very many high school students in the US give oral sex thinking it is not 'real' sex.

It begins with the leadership.

Ignoring the standards of my posts here, which are generally off-the-cuff, I professionally proofread/edit Master's and PhDs for various universities, including Chula and Mahidol, etc. You wouldn't believe the amount of copying from each other, and plagiarism which occurs at even PhD level... and yes, I'm deadly serious.

Only last week, I received a PhD paper from Assumption and I ran a turnit-in scan. It came back with 38% copied and plagiarised from the Internet !!!

That's the level we are looking at with regards to cheating. Yet, and despite that, all students PASS, with a little backhander to their advisors......

Edit: And let's not forget, the majority of the PhD grads become the next advisors, faculty lecturers and Dept. Heads, etc. and so it goes on!

Only 38%???

I proofread for students from the same universities. I am sure the figure is much higher.

I sometimes read 10 -15 pages containing only a few mistakes and then comes a page which is totally incomprehensible. I assume that page is their own work.

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The 38% was just one recent example of a PhD. Of course, I get papers which are up in the high 80% mark of direct Internet plagiarism.

One gets used to 'knowing', as I'm sure you know, whether or not work is original. A student very competent at English will make the same repeated grammatical errors, despite the English being pretty fluent. When it's all PERFECT is the time for a wry smile, and a quick run through turnit-in, for the laugh!