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The thread really is aimed at Thailand and other places regard tipping and the reasons for.

 

Many are saying it is the only work the uneducated can get as they never gained the qualifications to get decent work. I think you will find that is the world over. People who neglected their schoolwork make it up in the West with night classes and open university courses etc at their own expense. They don't quit and expect society to look after them, well some in fact do and get a rude awakening

 

With the USA, I think it's about time it updated it's 19th-century sweatshop labour laws and brought it into the 21st as the US Government is always talking about human rights, dignity, and equality. It can start by paying service workers a living wage and so they are not reliant on handouts or catching the ' right shift in a restaurant ' to get a decent wage. The USA is a first world country, the worlds superpower, their own space programme, the largest Navy in the World, billions in nuclear weapons, yet cannot pay its service industry citizens a living wage? 

 

Something wrong there!

 

The restaurant shouldn't have to be relying on Joe Public to pay or make up this shortfall. It needs to be on as a service charge and enshrine it in the US law that it must be declared through the IRS and passed on to the workers to make up the salaries fairly and evenly including front of house and back kitchen staff. It would then form part of their salary without the guesswork of how much tips they will make.

 

In the passing of time, like with every new law or modernisation programme, people will get used to it and probably be happier with the system.

6 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

Tipping in Canada and USA is ok but it  seems they want a lot more than is necessary for simple service.

  All the waitress's i knew were making $300 or more a shift and the shift would be 6 hours. How many of the customers were making that kind of tax free cash in 6 hours. Not many I am sure. People in north america tip way to much. For unskilled workers  and often mediocre service and food.

  My nephew in New York had the tipping rates on the back of his business card to assist people in the proper tip %.. When the bill gets bigger the % gets greater. Can get to 35% real quick. 

  There are restaurants in Quebec Canada where the servers pay the restaurant to work their shift the tips are so good. They buy their job.

Wow,

 

Now that's unreal! Also, my God, I never knew they could make $300 a shift, that kind of tips the tipping culture on its head really......

 

That would be a lot of money if you worked five shifts of six hours, only 30 hours in the week!.......... we are talking tax-free of $1800 by what you are saying?

Well, these days, they actually hover over you in both restaurants and night entertainment centres, (Live music kind guys) with the tray. I never see this in Cambodia or elsewhere.

 

The younger ones especially want to do as little as possible and you can see from their reaction, they feel they are ' entitled ' to tips!

 

It gets ridiculous when you are paying 180 baht for a bottle of normal  (chemical ) beer watching pirated movies in a fan-cooled tabletop beer bar but they still want tipping!!

23 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

If she uses more soap then usual,  at the neighbourhood happy-end soapy...well then a tip can be considered !!!

 

The recent storm in a teacup regards the Foreigner and the Chiang Mai taxi driver conjures up much debate regards tipping. It does appear that the emphasis from when I was younger has changed. In my days, I am 55 by the way and worked in the service industry for many many years it was for exceptional service over and beyond normal and attention to the customers' needs.

 

That is how it was in the U.K. and still is. I would not be embarrassed in the U.K. if I had shabby service to leave the place with paying just for the meals.

 

In Thailand, I remember the days very well when tips were just not expected at all but gratefully received and even then, they did not expect them as the norm or as a regular occurrence but more as a ' one-off. There were very few people that used to tip taxis in Thailand especially expats and locals, it just wasn't done.

 

I have found in Cambodia they do not hover as they do in Thailand for "a tip". The use of trays to return your change is in use but they then walk away leaving you under no pressure to tip for the mere fact you have bought a beer. In Vietnam, I found it to be the same as Cambodia.

 

I have also found with the dawn of the internet and social media, service has definitely taken a sharp downturn regards to service in Asia in hotels and restaurants and even bars. The younger generation is just not interested in being service minded and certainly, think it is a ' given ' or a ' right ' that a tip will be forthcoming even when these establishments add-on service charges and VAT to the bill, often not even stating this on the menu.

 

In Singapore and Japan, it is definitely not expected and can actually be viewed unfavorably. In Norway, my offer of a tip was politely refused.

 

I am well aware that in the USA tipping forms part of the wages of those on minimum wage and it is definitely expected. I have never been but I have been to Canada which certainly had a tipping culture in restaurants.

 

Where does it start and finish though? and who should we be tipping and who should we not, now that it seems the Thai taxi drivers have joined the queue?

2 hours ago, darhut said:

Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Sweden, Italy, Iceland, France, Finland, Denmark, Belgium etc.

Maybe Sambum could have used his actual nationality that tips, for example 

"However, being American, I am used to leaving a tip when the meal and service deserve it."

 

France and Italy tip and expect tips when I have been there, so does Spain!..... In Norway, a tip was waved away!....I know Japan is not a tipping culture and nor is Singapore.

 

Yes, in the USA, tipping is part of the culture I believe although never been. I have been twice in Canada.

 

I thought it was very much ' frowned upon ' not to tip in the USA as in effect it was an essential part of service staff wages. I have heard, however, that in the U.S. that the service although not genuine in the words they use, (throwaway stuff like Have a nice day, Be careful out there, etc etc) is very good to outstanding as North Americans can be very service minded.

 

I found service in Canada excellent.

I was referring to this quote from you "However, being a westerner, I am used to leaving a tip when the meal and service deserve it."
It suggests that all western countries have a tipping policy, which of cause they don't. 

Out of interest,which Western countries are you referring to that don't have a tipping policy?


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3 hours ago, Xaos said:

Can you apply for bail if there are 100% proofs you did it and you still deny it at court?

 

Unfortunately, yes.

 

It depends if a Judge intervenes and states that he is refusing bail as the guy is a flight risk, a danger to the public and the evidence overwhelming and irrefutable. I once saw the bail refused in a passport fraud case, but I have also seen many others where evidence was substantial, but bail was granted.

 

If the Judge doesn't directly intervene, this guy could, in theory, be back on the streets.

4 hours ago, inactiveposter said:

He’s probably aware of the Thai justice system and is denying guilt until sentencing. After the sentence is announced, he’ll admit it and have his sentence reduced by half.


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I think slightly different. If he admits the charges he will be remanded until sentencing by the courts. If he denies it, he can apply for bail. Not my rules, it's the way of the Thai courts. I don't think in this instance he has a cat in hells chance of getting bail or getting off. It sounds like he has very little funds anyway. I feel fairly sure, his wife knew what he was going to do.

 

4 hours ago, soalbundy said:

That won't work, you have to admit before sentencing, in fact that doesn't always seem to work, there was a case where the criminal admitted everything but only after the police showed him overwhelming evidence so his admittance of guilt made no difference to his sentence.

 

Yes, you are right there. Also, when the evidence is overwhelming and they plead guilty, the court takes gives little credit because it is obvious they would be convicted anyway. The half sentence comes in to save court time and calling police, witnesses and clogging up the courts'schedule.

12 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

I believe his remarks were aimed at the wife of the Russian beast, who may or may not have been a conspirator to the crime.

OK, In that case, I apologize and take it back completely.

 

12 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Get on the ball lad he is referring to the Russian woman image not the Thai lady who was attacked.

 

Same as my comments above.

 

I came in late after watching the video. Sickening.

1 hour ago, JAZZDOG said:

She looks guilty, homely or both. With a face like that she's got nothing to laugh about.

 

I can't believe you can find humour in what we have seen in the video. There are times for witticisms and I certainly don't think this is one of them.

 

I find your remarks vile and unfunny.

 

Speedy recovery young lady and I am so sorry this happened to you at the hands of a lowlife, piece of human filth.

 

Just found out from other members Jazzdog, you were referring to the Russian woman and I apologize for my mistake unreservedly.

 

 

On 4/14/2018 at 12:31 PM, possum1931 said:

You will never ever get any favours from Thai immigration regarding money if you are in the wrong in any way, or even if they think you are in the wrong, You are nothing more than a walking ATM to them. 

 

I actually think that any attempt is blocked by those higher up, and it is written in tablets of stone, not to show leniency towards overstays.

 

If they granted the Immigration.Officers this kind of leeway where cash is concerned, it would surely be abused with claims they allowed foreigners off with the fines when they didn't.

 

On occasions, we are talking big lumps of money here depending on the length of overstay.

On 4/13/2018 at 11:22 AM, Sheryl said:

Ah, but what will be the rate of inflation?

 

Cambodia has seen huge economic growth in the past decade but also huge rise in cost of living.

 

On 4/13/2018 at 11:22 AM, Sheryl said:

Ah, but what will be the rate of inflation?

 

Cambodia has seen huge economic growth in the past decade but also huge rise in cost of living.

 

Sheryl,

 

Yes, and wages have not gone up nearly as much to keep pace with it.

 

However, Hun Sen and co are not concerned with the Cambodian farmer and his family even though that is where he came from.

 

Laos is pretty much the same. Two meals and their day's wages are more or less gone for the guys working on construction sites.

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17 minutes ago, 4737 Carlin said:

Yes, its more expensive here than Thailand or Vietnam - bit still a dump. The third-world with first-world prices. 

 Totally agree with you.

 

It makes me wonder what they are thinking and where they get these Cloud Nine valuations from.

14 hours ago, onera1961 said:

It will be all Thai immigration and visa specific. It is not a general calendar reminder app. I am coming to Thailand on an Non O-A visa. I am wondering if I can engage some of my free time doing some thing that will be useful to people. (not thinking of money now. The app will be free). If I work on developing an app like this, does Thai immigration consider this as working or hobby?

 

Also any suggestion for a name is appreciated and selected name will be credited in the app

 

It's a great idea for the absent-minded especially as you are targetting it to be helpful and not to make any money. I personally wouldn't worry about Immigration on something like this. You are helping free of charge. They don't arrest the Foreigners picking up litter and cleaning the beaches free of charge.

 

Immigration tends to really try and hit scams like call centers, illegals without visas or illegal entries, tour guides, unlicensed teachers etc and those working under the radar to avoid work permits and taxes, people taking jobs Thais can do, although most jobs occupied by Cambodians and Burmese are not wanted by Thais.

 

Thais don't want to do them as they are hard work or Thais think they are beneath them such as the fishing industry, canning plants etc.

 

Up here in Isaarn it takes me all my time to get a laborer to come more than two days in succession and I am paying 400 baht a day plus food. They would sooner come and beg for money, not all, but a lot of them.

21 hours ago, stud858 said:

Due to the sensitive and personal nature I cannot prove any details. Sorry, I know it would be nice to hear the juicy details.

But let me tell this hearsay story that may or may not be true to give example of what I mean.

 

Retribution meaning -A Thai person is involved in an argument with a foreigner. A photo of a foreigner is taken as if they are shown as working. Let's Say, opening a car bonnet and looking inside holding a screwdriver. Immigration are involved and the foreigner is fined 40,000 baht for working without a permit.

 

it is real and stay away meaning- You will most likely hear the odd stories from people. When the stories mount up and you are involved in some then it becomes real.  Be polite always and try to remediate argumentative situations calmly and move on.  Hard to do when anger takes hold.

 

Back to OP's problem.  My advice is to not underestimate retribution threats. Time has passed so that could have solved the problem. But be prepared to hand over cash and be polite and smile when you have to.

 

Peace to all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You should get a job writing at the Walt Disney studios, you have more imagination than the man himself!

6 hours ago, KiptheMann said:

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on all of this. If there is an issue, do you guys think this would help...I have an old friend (I lived with their family previously many years ago but they are like family) and they are Thai. I was a high school exchange student with their family - still in touch - really great people. And, the father in the family works quite high up in the govt - in the House of Rep. and also is friends with a lot of high ranking cops. Maybe he can either check on it for me or just be used as a contact if needed, in case anything happens when I arrive...though it is unlikely, it is possible. 

 

I think you would be troubling him for nothing, wasting his time and any respect he had for you would diminish as he would think you a fool.You don't trouble senior people with nonsense like this. They are there when you have a REAL problem if you actually know them well enough.

 

It appears nearly everybody on TV knows some General or somebody in government or with royal connections. I must say, with all this firepower, it's a wonder anybody falls foul of the law!

 

As another poster pointed out, the matter is CIVIL, it is a civil case. the lazy RTP are not interested.

 

I am out of here now, you have had plenty of good advice by many on Thai visa this last couple of days. As the saying goes " You can lead a horse to water......."