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I think the Singapore authorities need to make a statement on the extent of the DNA testing! So many people/agencies being quiet!
Please stop with the paranoid comments...
If the company testing this DNA, if testing did occur, has no obligation to make any statements or to be forced to make statements,
there is a customer/client confidentiality issues involved here and no private company in this instance will make comment as it will impact their business with other clients.
If the DNA was tested, they have provided the technical report, that's it, one suspects if the BiB do use this facility on a regular basis, the company concerned may not even know they have tested these samples or the reason they are providing the analysis
unless you are that naive to believe they sent the samples with bumese man #1 KT murder, bumese man #2 KT murder, written on the bag in black marker pen
<deleted> are you talking about????????? The murderers' DNA has never been sent to Singapore. Doh!
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The best advice I can give if you are worried is to use onion routing!
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I like a good motive to back things up too!!
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Just a few notes on the discrepancies for all you apologists and RTP sympathisers with incredibly selective memories.
On day two they started to dna and question Myanmar workers
what happened to these three boys in the last three weeks.
after 4/5 days sean mcanna was chased by the headmans brother and an off duty policeman. Why.
(the picture was on facebook and the brother admitted having a "word" with him)
this same brother was pictured contaminating the crime scene day 1. who gave him permission.
a thai taxi driver was taken in and beaten up and told he had to implicate some Myanmar workers
I doubt he made this up as he went to the authorities and press to complain about his treatment.
the police reported some blond hair was recovered at the crime scene, they also reported one of
the accused Myanmar boys had just dyed his hair black the day after the murders.
but cctv showed the three boys on a motorbike the night of the murders all had black hair.
the story of the phone should eventually be solved, but surely even these boys would not be
naeive enough to leave the girls phone practically on their doorstep.
More stuff filters through everyday!
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I think the Singapore authorities need to make a statement on the extent of the DNA testing! So many people/agencies being quiet!
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Thailand has never faces such scrutiny over a case, mainly due to the fact everyone has a camera/video with them 24/7!
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In a high profile case always good to have a professional translator!!
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Bear in mind these two boys are under five feet and half David's size, it seems improbable to any reasonable person that they committed both of the murders.
Where in the world did you get they were under five feet and even if they were 4 feet are you suggesting David was 8 feet?
Did you miss the fact they attacked him from behind and had weapon(s).
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/765810-koh-taos-other-little-secret-police-extortion/
Your beloved police farce!!!!
If police take money to turn a blind eye on illegal workers, can you not believe they could be involved in more sinister matters??
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okay I'll be the first to say it. In respect for David and Hannah's family.
I can't believe how much people are claiming these Burmese are innocent with all the evidence piled up against them. People's logic? They are too small, don't look like a rapist or cold blooded murderers?!?!
The biggest mistake the police made was following half drunken or inebriated claims of people with NO forensics background. once the police (probably with help) followed their cigarette lead, they found the culprits quickly! 99.9% of every single rumor online was JUST that. Zero evidence backing it up. No actual smoking gun. Shocking people with crime scene photos doesn't prove anything. Showing people a phone that may have been turned into police after the murders prove nothing. Where is the smoking gun? A police report.? How do you know that wasn't the officers phone?
The Burmese ran off after the police
Spotted them on the beach? Why? They were scared to be deported ? The police know almost all Burmese workers are illegal. Why would the pick out just one innocent group ?
They were tortured with boiling water ?? Where is the smoking gun?? JUST another rumor. I didn't see any Burmese with burn marks. How did they know they were tortured ? Did they call and tell them? I doubt it.
One shared cigarette does not mean rape or murder. it means contact with the victim. One cigarette does not exclude unidentified others who may have also been there.
Actually forensics showing a wound made by a knife as opposed to the hoe that was reported as the murder weapon leaving a murder weapon missing proves..er..that they are missing one of the murder weapons and have falsely reported what kind of weapon was used perhaps.
The distinctive orange/pink phone with dark purple case belonging to hannah is available to view in tv forum on various pages, as well as viewable in various past photos of hannah that have been published online by newspapers and forums. This same very distinctive phone was clearly visible on a policemans desk the day after the murders during a thai news youtube video. An as yet unsubstantiated post from a friend of hannah's confirms the phone was given to the police on request the day after the murders.
Have you not been keeping abreast of the ongoing case?
The torture was reported formally to an NGO by Burmese diplomats. It appeared ten Burmese people were taken in and three were allegedly tortured. Hence this thread........
Sorry I didn't get a chance to finish before I hit reply.
okay I'll be the first to say it. In respect for David and Hannah's family.
I can't believe how much people are claiming these Burmese are innocent with all the evidence piled up against them. People's logic? They are too small, don't look like a rapist or cold blooded murderers?!?!
The biggest mistake the police made was following half drunken or inebriated claims of people with NO forensics background. once the police (probably with help) followed their cigarette lead, they found the culprits quickly! 99.9% of every single rumor online was JUST that. Zero evidence backing it up. No actual smoking gun. Shocking people with crime scene photos doesn't prove anything. Showing people a phone that may have been turned into police after the murders prove nothing. Where is the smoking gun? A police report.? How do you know that wasn't the officers phone?
The Burmese ran off after the police
Spotted them on the beach? Why? They were scared to be deported ? The police know almost all Burmese workers are illegal. Why would the pick out just one innocent group ?
They were tortured with boiling water ?? Where is the smoking gun?? JUST another rumor. I didn't see any Burmese with burn marks. How did they know they were tortured ? Did they call and tell them? I doubt it.
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Other claims propose (without any evidence) that the hoe was not the primary weapon. (LOL) Independent CSIs again with no forensics background think a tiny knife could have made these skull wounds. if you look closely at the skull fractures you will see it's impossible these were done with a sharp object. Look up (google) knife wounds to the skull. You will see there are no outlying marks associated with stabs to the skull. David does have wounds consistent with a blunt CURVED object. There are marks along his forehead associated to the massive blow to his skull. A knife can not make a curved semi circle! If they used the punch knife the wound would not be so wide either. ! Most knife wounds to the skull get stuck in the skull and need to be surgically removed. Look back at the crime scene photos and you can see what I am talking about. (Yes I have a background in forensics.)
Just because a phone looks similar on YouTube or Facebook doesn't mean some one has a similar phone or the police didn't put it on their reports. Where is this 'friend ' that said she had Hannah's phone ? Don't know?
Because it's hearsay.
doesn't mean anything as far as evidence goes. Just a coincidence or more likely a troll.The cigarette found near the scene with the alleged Burmese killers has their DNA on it which proves they were at the scene.
Them purchasing the same cigarettes earlier is further damning evidence.
I'm not saying there aren't holes or questions in the investigation but there are a LOT more holes in all these hearsay only accusations and people making these claims have no background with forensics. It would take an elaborate plan (from the very beginning of the investigation) to plant semen in the victim of the accused Burmese suspects.
I believe the Burmese will be properly represented in court and given every chance to prove their innocence. (Doubt it). So for the family's sake. Please let it rest with all these rumors. NONE of them are proven and only slowing the family's healing process.
Thanks
With your infinite wisdom could you please explain to me two things - 1) Motive, 2) How the two killed David. Give me your reconstruction of how these two managed to take him down and keep the girl quiet at the same time. Thanks. These two/three were dna tested in the following days. How come they did not have any bruises/cuts from a fatal encounter with a 24 yr 1.90m man. Hmmm
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John, you make me feel physically sick.
One of the most important aspects of a murder is MOTIVE. Do you understand??? Is it difficult for you to comprehend???
Please explain to me the motive?? I really want to hear you views on this as the rest of what you say is absolute horse shit!
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david superimposed !
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Don't even look close to the same phone.
No nothing like it
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just shows what tech can do!
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No matter what dog'n'pony show they put on I think we all know it is BS. Push for independent confirmation collected and evaluated OUTSIDE THAILAND.
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The DNA found on the victims was done in Singapore.
That is correct, for all you doubters out there.
The RTP have done a fantastic investigation on this case and I congratulate them. Justice will be served for the tragic victims and their families.
These monsters are already on the doorstep of hell.
Being a parent of three young adult children myself, my sincere heartfelt sympathies go out to the families and everyone else involved with this case.
No they are not, they are sitting in a bar somewhere laughing and joking about how they got off.
Also, it's down to 2 burmese now, not 3!
http://www.mcot.net/site/content?id=542f9b98be04704f328b458c#.VDBohvmSyaf
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I must admit I thought Sean was a witness at best. Maybe he wasn't?????????????????
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I must admit I thought Sean was a witness at best. Maybe he wasn't????????????????
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DNA matches - you are reading too much into things. The to get an order from the court to formally charge them but in western terms they clearly are under arrest. A hint would be the fact they are in jail and were brought to the crime scene in handcuffs.The Burmese are in police custody but not, apparently, formally under arrest ?
The DNA HAS TO match, imagine having to release yet more suspects after all the song and dance !
Charges have been laid. The boys signed a confession after tortute and under duress.
They have no legal representation until
Monday. They are in Samui prison and some are concerned that they will be murdered and it will be made to look like suicide as pressure and scrutiny over the set up is mounting.
"Maybe" they were interrogated improperly but if the DNA matches then ....
Dead or alive their DNA (and family members) is not going anywhere. Unless you suspect the police could go back in time and replace the DNA they collected at the scene and shared with Singapore ... it is just fantasy to believe these guys were set-up.
If it's fantasy why not let there be an independent test? The Burmese guys dna with the dna in the UK (from Hannah). There is still the matter of the condom at the scene!
Money, face & tourism (more money) is way more important than anything else in this country. The longer you live here the more you realise it
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I saw those revealing shots 2 hours ago. It looks likely that sort of weapon was used (yet we hear no mention of it by cops), and even more likely that the killer was a leftie, regardless of weapon used (also not mentioned by cops). Are either of the Burmese suspects, or any of the relations to the village Headman (former suspects excused by limp-wristed cops), left handed?
I seen those photos unfortunately.... and it does look like stab wounds along with wounds made by a blunt object. The one on the collar bone area really stands out to be a stab woundI would not want to share the gruesome photos from the crime scene, So without doing so, This is a template of injuries to David. All were very, VERY deep, brutal lacerations. 4 to the back of the head (skull), one to the cheek bone, 2 to the jawline and one to the collarbone. David also had bruises to the nose and eyes with minor scratches near the nose bridge. So i do now see that he must have been facing his killer at one point, and not all blows were from the back and side, as first thought.
The Facebook page 'CSI LA' has had invaluable information throughout this case and continues to report unseen testimonials and pieces of interest.
yeh, the amount of holes in this story is amazing! It's not just one piece of evidence that's iffy, it's the whole damn story!
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I would not want to share the gruesome photos from the crime scene, So without doing so, This is a template of injuries to David. All were very, VERY deep, brutal lacerations. 4 to the back of the head (skull), one to the cheek bone, 2 to the jawline and one to the collarbone. David also had bruises to the nose and eyes with minor scratches near the nose bridge. So i do now see that he must have been facing his killer at one point, and not all blows were from the back and side, as first thought.
The Facebook page 'CSI LA' has had invaluable information throughout this case and continues to report unseen testimonials and pieces of interest.
I seen those photos unfortunately.... and it does look like stab wounds along with wounds made by a blunt object. The one on the collar bone area really stands out to be a stab wound
Could you post a link.
here it is
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Statistical probability would favor the migrants for the crime as they are the most numerous (and poorest) population on the island. I think there were attempts to derail the investigation by some of the Thai businessmen on the island due to the fact that they hired undocumented workers so they are complicent and breaking laws by hirling them. Most Burmese on the island are rather conservative and humble, they are as horified by this as everyone, that is why they turned in their countrymen.
Nobody is going to protect migrant workers. Look how quickly everything was sorted as soon as they found their scapegoats!
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Once again I want to congratulate the Royal Thai Police for the good work despite all the thai bashing thats been going on since day 1 of the murders.
Yes we do have a DNA match and together with all the other evidences I am pretty confident the Myanmar workers are the killers.
But also we have our own CSI team on facebook and privat detectives here on Thaivisa and despite all the "evidence" they have provided I do not see any scapegoats here, even if it can look like it if we only listened to gossip instead of real facts.
Only pretty confident??? You should be 100% confident in your amazing Police Force. They are the best and most competent force in the whole wide world.
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Well, you can't argue with the facts.
The DNA results from the victims said the attackers were Asian, so they arrested three Asians
I would really like to know if all traces of evidence were removed from the bodies before they made it back home and if follow up tests will be done at some point in the future. It could be years away but I'm sure the full proven truth will eventually emerge.
If that DNA exists outside Thailand then collecting samples to match it with will be trivial in the future.
In the case of rape, it is almost technically impossible to remove all the evidence (for reasons I refuse to post because the Thais read this forum). Any invasive techniques performed on the corpse will not only leave strong tell-tale evidence a cover-up was attempted, but will not remove the evidence.
This is not even a difficult case for Scotland Yard -- I fully expect their polished boots to be lodged in someone's posterior in the very near future. They are experts, and heavy-handed when required.
This situation requires a mailed fist, and I fully expect them to, circumspectly, use it before the previously mentioned boot is then a secondary procedure used as an alternative enema. Some of the most prominent and successful engineers and scientists were Scottish -- and those genes do not dilute. They are dominant.
Yeh, the report is not due out until around January, so you can bet it's going to be detailed and complete.
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How pathetic are you all??? You live in Thailand...I am happy here and appreciate the culture and people and lifestyle....you all spend your lives criticizing Thailand at every opportunity...forever...if it is that bad? Why don't you leave? Please tell me...why you want to live in a place you are so unhappy in? Inadequacy is the word that springs to mind...men that end up in Thailand...inadequate
From your sentence construction i presume that you are a Thai which means you act emotionally and not logically. Yes Thailand is a nice place to live if you have money but there is a lot wrong with it. Since we live here, many of us with children, we do have an unofficial stake here. It can only be positive for Thailand if glaring inappropriate behaviour by government agencies are criticized, the Thais rarely do it due to apathy or familiarity. The Thai police have admitted in a round about way that minorities are sometimes targeted and stitched up, they are aware of their short comings but do nothing about it. Some years ago the chief of police openly admitted that the police are corrupt,the UN even once went so far as to call the Thai police a gang of criminals. Having said that i believe ( which means i don't know for sure ) that the police have caught the criminals,despite their incompetent investigation. I don't think that they have stitched anybody up in this case, not because of any moral reasons but because with all the international interest it would be too risky.
I agree with all you have said, apart from the last sentence. I personally think that Thailand doesn't give a <deleted> about International interest, and therefore the scapegoats were created to save the rich kid's arse
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Latest newsletter says that pm has rewarded police for capture of the suspects.
Is this blocked already as it will not open for me all morning. Can anyone offer assistance on this please ?
doesn't mean anything as far as evidence goes. Just a coincidence or more likely a troll.
Police charges for those accusing the police of using scapegoats
in Thailand News
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<deleted> are you talking about????????? The murderers' DNA has never been sent to Singapore. Doh!