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Yet if you go to the area, particularly Nai Harn (next to Rawaii) there are plenty in the air on every good weather day.... How educated are these ‘staffers’ you depend upon so much for life advice ? And, if there really are rules, why do they do nothing to prevent such activities ? Finally, I don’t think the injured party cares about sympathy from a miserable-old-miser, he’s been out there living his life !!!

Charged with being in possession of ‘forbidden fish’.... Is this actually a law ????

Yes they are.... what else do you think is being posted ? a child involved in an industrial accident ?

Some pets are bred to do so with far more ‘aggression and devastating results’... Dogs over time have been bred to be ‘weaponised’ emotive language for a dog lover to read, I get that, nevertheless, it is what it is. Some people ornamental shot-guns mounted on their walls.... the owner would argue they are ornaments, anyone else recognises they are ‘weapons’ - the compromise might be they can be used as ‘defensive weapons’.... IF you wanted a dog which is just going to bark and alert you to the presence of someone.. why not get a poodle ??? IF you only wanted a loving pet, why not get a cockapoo ? IF you wanted a pet that can attack and injure someone, get a dog that has been bred to attack and inflict pain and damage to an intruder - that’s a weapon.... there’s no dressing that up. Such animals are bred for their potential ferociousness - thats the way it is. But lovers of these breeds always try and mask this facet of the dogs breeding. Have you and your girlfriend been bred to develop additional power and aggression beyond normal humans ??? This is not a ‘dramatic play on words’ its just a description of what these dogs are, they are 'defensive weapons', the are also loving pets, they can be very good a both... but when raised pooly they are a danger to the community, when raised well, they are an ever present risk only an reckless owner would ignore. Do they have the aggression, bite force and power of a Pitbull ???? not to mention the reputation. Additionally - these strays are also pests and should not be there (as discussed in another thread) - they too present a risk to children and the general public. Good, as all responsible dog owners should. Until he isn’t - sadly, too many stories. A lovely story... What about the postman who lost an arm? So it is a weapon then ? Would they attack emergency responders getting into your house if you fell / had a heart attack / passed out etc ? Agreed - ALL of the dogs mentioned are potentially highly dangerous and should only be owned by responsible, capable and caring owners with a licence proving they have the training, funding and space to care for and train such animals so they never have an opportunity to attack someone.

Wonderfully dramatic ????. It's a pet that doubles up as a guard dog. And, by your own admission will attack anyone who enters the property. It's a ‘defensive weapon’.... that doubles up as a pet. So not really ‘dramatic’ - just calling a spade a spade. In your shoes, I’d likely do the same - perhaps with German Shepards. ------ But, I’d also be extremely concerned about innocent others - i.e. the mail man getting attacked, kids getting attacked if they climb over the fence to get their ball back etc... There is a large ‘grey area’ with this subject and it's not as black and white as many of us like to think. I disagree with owners of PitBulls and such dogs who claim their dogs are harmless - they are wrong, just wrong. They may have a well trained dog, but a dog is never 100% trustworthy. Those who have such dogs and don’t look after them or train them properly have crossed the line into the ‘wrong’ IMO... Those who have trained their dogs extremely well, loved and looked after them extremely well are at the other end of the spectrum towards ‘right’... but they should never forget there is always an element of risk with any animal and when that animal is as powerful as a PitBull with such instincts greater care has to be taken to avoid tragic consequences. Finally, those who are arguing... My dog is lovely, so all PitBulls are lovely are also wrong, clearly not ALL PitBulls are lovely, hence the stats.

You’ve posted these photo's before... lovely pics and its great to see to your well trained dog playing with the kids. But... A photo means nothing, because they can easily be countered with attack-stats and horrific pictures. Every PitBull owner claims their dog is well trained..... So what about everyone elses ? Clearly not all the PitBulls are well trained otherwise the attack stats wouldn’t be so damning. Either PitBulls require extra training, or they attack to readily when insufficiently trained. Its not just PitBulls, any dog of ’size’ needs to be well trained. A Chihuahua is a nasty little Ba3t@rd but its unlikely to do much harm to a 10 year old child.

Its not about you.... Its about the other idiots who are not responsible. We are licenced to drive a car and motorcycle, because doing so without training (theoretically) leads to far higher road deaths. Licence ownership of potentially dangerous dogs and train owners, weed out the owners who would not be good, don’t have the time, funds, space etc... You must recognise the magnificent power of your dogs - should this power be in the hands of someone who has no idea how to train or look after their animal properly ?

You mean the dogs have not been well trained and looked after properly so they revert to natural instinct and are aggressive and attack ???... Are PitBull owners arguing that these are lovely creatures because they’ve ‘trained’ the aggression out of them?.... IF the PitBulls were left to their own devises, in the wild, would they be aggressive or soft to all humans / children etc? The issue is clearly ‘humans’ who do not look after or train these animals properly, which is why there needs to be full licencing (where people are trained to look after dogs and can prove they can). There are of course great people who care strongly for these dogs and bring up wonderful PitBulls, but there are many who don’t and unfortunately failure to care for a PitBull has far more severe consequences far more often than failure to care for a Poodle or Labrador.

So you admit the dog is a weapon....

Will you honestly confirm, to a retard like myself, that this picture is of a child attacked by a dog ? As requested... its the first one (top left) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8600305/Horrific-injuries-Michigan-boy-Camdon-Bozbell-mauled-pet-pit-bull-named-Chaos.html It gets to a point where the indefensible is simply indefensible.

Awesome... Not that he had his accident - I wish the gent a full speedy recover. But, Awesome that someone of his age was still out there doing what he loved. There are a couple of bitter comments so far on this thread from those who would prefer to comment on things than do... To place this activity in prospected - I’d guess riding a motorcycle around Thailand is more risky. ----------- While sandboxing in Phuket I saw an older guy (looked in his 70’s) landing his Paraglider on Nai Harn beach... it looked awesome and I was impressed - it certainly beats sitting miserable in a bar or at home all day and passing negative comments on those who are living a full life !

So if your child is new to the area our house and not the ‘Alpha dog’ he/she’s at risk... that about right ? Are you suggesting that every ‘other PitBull’ that you haven’t trained is a threat because you won’t have gained its trust ?? People should not be permitted to have PitBulls (and other dogs on various dangerous Dogs lists around the world) without a licence. People need to prove they can take care of and train these animals properly so that they are not a thread. The people who ‘do’ own and train them need to recognise they can be a threat and take ALL measures necessary to ensure everyone else is protected. i.e. this means - they can’t escape the house, they are tied up when guests arrived etc until they have been familiarised with the guest, they can’t attack the postman, that children can’t get in the yard to retrieve a ball etc... Ultimately ANY owner of any of these animals should be in a position of ultimately responsibility so that everyone else is protected. How many people would keep dogs like these if there was a fully enforceable US$10,000 fine IF their dog bites someone ???

I must have missed it..... Where did this thread rip a child's face off ?????

That seems somewhat puritanical.... particularly when considering why people travel to Pattaya. Its like closing the beach at 6pm. People holiday in Thailand for many reasons, price, bars, booze, girls, food, beaches, temples, hiking, diving etc etc... (not necessarily in that order)... cutting out or limiting any of the key ingredients that attract tourists is short sighted. There is no reason to shut down the bars - there seems to be a frequent hypocritical ’target against’ booze in Thailand whenever something happens... some foreigners are starting to become influenced in an almost ’stockholm syndrome’ manner, they start justifying the unjustifiable targeting of bar closers and booze bans etc... The ban on sales from 2-5pm is already ridiculous enough, then we have the BiB closing the bars on a Whim.... It all gets very juvenile and could well cost the country tourists at a time it desperately needs them.

I don’t think anyone (myself included) would deny the driver was at fault. It is your assertion that the driver is 100% at fault which implies the pedestrian is 100% not-responsible for his own demise which I am arguing against. My argument is that while I agree fault lies with the driver (speeding), the pedestrian is also complicit in his demise as a result of his inattention while crossing a road. I think many people (myself included) are suggesting is that deceased made terrible judgement to cross the road in the manner he did (without attention), either due to intoxication, tiredness, distraction or another reason. We have to be responsible for ourselves and we should not be crossing a road without looking in any country, even if that is a pedestrian crossing in the UK.

Couldn’t agree more... Now... are you copying me ??? ????

I advertised for a driver about 12 years ago.... I got PM’d by a handful of western guys offering their ‘driving services’... (I think I was offering significantly less than 100,000 baht per month though... no cleaning or Chinese required !)

Are there any roads in Thailand with a 30kmh (18mph) speed limit ? On roads like his speed limit in Thailand is usually 80kmh (but I could be mistaken about the speed limit on this road). This is the road... (google Maps Coordinates) 8.667124, 98.253023 This incident occurred within 20m of a pedestrian crossing (not that it would have made a difference). The indigent also occurred within 30m of a traffic light controlled junction. It's a straight road with at least 1km visibility in each direction.

He didn't just step out. Yes, if say he made a sudden dash across the road just metres before, or say jumped from the middle verge in to the third lane then there would be some mitigation provided the driver was not breaking any road law. But that didn't happen did it. I agree.... he didn’t suddenly make a dash for it or step out at the last minute. He was already in the road.... having crossed after waiting for the earlier car. I do agree, the car ‘should’ have stopped.... But, there are also realities and the norms associated with living in Thailand, roads are far more dangerous than we are used and crossing the road is one of those well known dangers. Drivers have no respect for the rights of pedestrians. I suspect the driver assumed the pedestrian would wait for the car to pass as that is what all pedestrians normally do. The pedestrian crossed the road as if no more cars were coming, because he didn’t look. The pedestrian may be legally in the right, especially if the car is speeding... but thats irrelevant when he’s dead. If only he was more cautious, he’d be alive. Is he (the deceased) fault?, is he complicit in his own demise ??? I can’t see that the deceased is completely removed from any responsibility to the incident - his own actions and inattention lead directly to his tragic demise.

Both an appalling piece of driving and an appalling piece of ‘road crossing’.... IF a driver is within the speed limit and someone steps out... its impossible to stop... In this case, yes, it's appalling driving - but thats the way people drive here. They don’t want to stop. The pedestrian stepped up to the road and waited for the first car to pass. He then continued across the road without looking. The victim ??... your bias is highlighted. I suspect the oncoming driver anticipated or guessed (wrongly) that the pedestrian was ‘road-smart’ and would wait for the car to pass instead of stepping out in-front of the car into the right most lane. No.... you have applied a strawman fallacy to the discussion in a flawed attempt to strengthen your argument. When an adult pedestrian steps out into the road with inattention, for whatever reason (intoxication, inattention, using the phone etc) they are complicit in the consequences. With children its different, the adult supervising them is complicit in the consequences. IF there is no adult supervising them, the adult (or primary care-giver responsible for that child at that time) is still complicit for not supervising them. With disability, it depends if that disabled person requires assistance etc. if a disabled person is self mobile, they are responsible for their own actions. IF they move out into flowing traffic and get hit by a car, they are responsible for the consequences. The responsibility exists on both a moral and legal basis and is not always as absolute and as black and white, right vs wrong as you naively want to suggest. Having lived here for a long time - I ’suspect’ that the on coming driver saw the pedestrian. Just like the vast majority of drivers on Thai roads, they stop only as a last resort. On a fast flowing road like this, not stopping is the norm, instead the norm is for a pedestrian to wait for the car to pass then walk across, rather that the car stopping for the pedestrian - this is just the way it is here, regardless of ‘right vs wrong’ and legalities. I suspect the driver saw the person on the middle lane and expect them to wait for them (the car) to pass, it was too late when the pedestrian stepped out / continued walking. - A tragic, terrible and deadly moment of judgement by the car drier - but one which followed the road-norms here in Thailand. - A tragic, terrible and deadly moment of inattention by the pedestrian - one which doesn’t follow the norm here for people crossing a road.

Driver is only 100% at fault IF proven to be speeding. IF a pedestrian steps out in-front of a car which is not speeding, the pedestrian is also complicit and at fault for their actions.

I think you are better off hiding behind the sofa full stop... It’s a dangerous world out there, more so if you want to push accountability and responsibility on everyone else.... . IF you step out into a road without looking properly - you are responsible and to be blamed for your own carelessness.

I doesn’t matter what stats we look at the stats for Pit Bulls are quite damning. They really need a knowledgeable owner who has the time, funds, discipline, inclination and responsibility to look after and train such a dog. Sadly, as the stats and news show, there are too many who simply fail at any or all of these measures. With other breeds, irresponsible ownership results in serious and tragic consequences less frequently. People really should have a licence to be able to keep 'dangerous dogs’.

Here’s another photo...

You’ve been watching too much TikTok.... So, to answer your question.... Are people getting ‘stupid-er’ ??... well they may be losing their grasp of English... Are people becoming less intelligent ???... No, but some people are watching dumb s#it and projecting that everyone else believes it !!!!