richard_smith237

Would you report an extortion attempt made by the Thai Police to the Thai Police ????? As obtuse as you often can be... I think even you can understand why someone would take this to the media rather than directly to the establishment against which an accusation of corruption is being levied.... I’ll refer to my eggy comment in the post above !!!

When you look in the mirror LL... that yellow and white stuff you see on your face is egg.....

In essence, I agree with you - we should be impartial. In practice extremely difficult given the fact that this is the RTP and is widely accepted as being one of the most corrupt entities in Thailand. We have the luxury of using judgment, opinions and experience where there are no facts. This may lead to unfair or bias assumptions - however, I think most of us contributing to this thread are in agreement that where there is smoke there is most defiantly fire in this situation. IMO (and its just an opinion) the BIB surely extorted this lady - I don’t see any other explanation for her claims unless she’s some neurotic attention seeking narcissistic psycho - but this does not see to be the case. Erm.... it seems that evidence has just been made public.

Where is the CCTV that was ‘released to public’ ??? (as mentioned in the report).... any link ?

It seems there was a lot of misinformation and assumptions along with some mistranslation in the original media reports of what the lady claims. - I believe she reported that she was ‘detained for 2 hours’..... Someone may have read this and assume she meant at the police station and reported this as so, which was false - it seems her group were detained [at the roadside]. Because they don’t wear body cams in Thailand. (some may, but they have bought them themselves). Very convenient.. but not implausible. My Dash-cam footage gets overwrites when the c memory card is full.

How useful is or will the CCTV footage be ?.... is it from a distance ? Is it clear enough to show that nothing was exchanged ? Were the hands of the BiB and Taiwanese lady always in clear view? Is the footage un-broken for ‘over an hour’ (from the very start of the stop to the end when they departed). Does it clearly show that neither the ’Taiwanese girl or any of her friends’ departed outside of the field of view (of the cctv footage) at any time. The Police are claiming they have footage... but that in itself could be mislead and draw us into the impression that the footage can be conclusive - the footage itself may not be very useful at all. We don’t know until we see it. I don’t think we trust the police enough to just take their word for it.

Erm... is not clear if the amount was 27,000 baht ???..... Does that mean they accept ‘some’ money changed hands ????..... Have the RTP just dropped their ball ?? Also, IF there was a mistranslation in the amount and it was $27,000 Taiwan Dollars, thats still about 29,500 baht.

IF you are calling her ‘drunk and obstreperous’ then aren’t you already accepting the claims made by the police ???? No, I'm accepting one of their claims, not all of them...yet. OK... So you are accepting the claim made by the Police that the woman was 'drunk and obstreperous’... How do they know she was drunk, did they breathalyse her ??? - they don’t know she was drunk, they have just thrown out that accusation to muddy things - if she was vocal in her objections they may have ’thought’ she was drunk. So.. The police claim she was drunk, she claims she was not drunk.... Why do you accept the claim of the police over the Taiwanese actress ? They also claimed she was uncooperative - would you happily cooperate without any objection if you felt you were being extorted ???... I’d be annoyed and very uncooperative.

No.. you’ve twisted it around... I’m suggesting the she shouldn’t be ‘disbelieved’ just because she can’t provide evidence because there is very little scope for her to have had any opportunity to collect evidence. I don’t think you are that naive - she certainly wasn’t. The RTP may be ‘doubling down’.... who blinks first ? The girl claims her group were detained for 2 hours. The GrabDriver states he was there for 1 hour before he left. Why did a simple police check take so long ???.....

IF you are calling her ‘drunk and obstreperous’ then aren’t you already accepting the claims made by the police ???? After all there are also reports that the Taiwanese lady states she was not drunk and was cooperative although there were language difficulties. In attempting to be balanced... I doubt she was completely sober at that time, I also doubt she was fully cooperative, who would be?... But I also doubt the police were carrying out an innocently intentioned ‘check’ and there was no extortion.... (my bias is playing a part here in both sides).

To be fair... what evidence can the woman provide ?? There were reports that her compatriots had recorded the ‘incident’ but were forced to delete their recordings.... others have pointed out that these deleted recordings may be present in a ‘deleted items’ folder. The GrabDriver was apparently there standing by for an hour.... why so long?... this was not a simple, check-and-on-your way stop... It took over an hour... What was going on for that hour if the Police were not charging the tourists with anything ?

Was that you Bob Smith ?....

So its ok to throw stones at normal cars, but not ambulances ???? [thats ones for Gottfrid to help him understand the kind of flawed conclusions that can be jumped to when exaggerating a comment out of context] The fact that these idiots threw stones at any moving vehicle is wrong... I hope they are caught and charged adequately, and also pay for any damages + compensation.

I just ignore the people I want to ignore.... they don’t need to go on an ignore list or anything... If I don’t want to get ‘trigged by someones post’ I can just ignore it. It may say something for my maturity levels but I find it quite amusing to verbally spar with people I disagree with... Mods don’t like it sometimes though. I also find it highly amusing when some guys state... ‘Right thats it, you are on my ignore list’... as if thats some how a ‘win’ and they’ve snuck in the last word in etc..... I never understood that response. If someone wants to ignore another person, just do that... why even bother telling them about it ?

Indeed.... Thai Police Man: Your Visa (stamp) is illegal.... you pay fine. Taiwanese actress: No its not... I’m not paying a fine. Thai Police... >>> She was uncooperative.... Of course she was, who wouldn't be uncooperative when being extorted !!!

Yes... ALL of that, IF you believe the Police reports and believe the Police have not lied. IF you are saying the CCTV was 47 minutes... the GrabDrive has already stated he was there for an hour before he left.... It would seem they have not looked at the full CCTV then !!! When I’m in a taxi with friends and we’ve had a few, sometimes we are joking, laughing... it can get loud. I’m not sure how that is possibly an indication that this girl was not extorted for 27,000 baht. Quite the opposite in fact, being under the influence may have made her an easier mark in the eyes of the police officers at the check-point. Some of the logic behind the obfuscation is remarkably questionable, utterly desperate in fact.

Agreed.... Nothing has been found true or false at the moment, but the legitimacy of the public claims made by the Taiwanese lady matter little in a Thai Defamation case, IF one were to be filed. The obvious reason for filing such a case is not to win it, but for the publicity - I don’t put the RTP beyond acting with such hubris with the belief that this may sway the optics.

I posted on another thread... IF motorcyclists are removed from the equation the death rate per 100,000 of population is higher in the USA than it is in Thailand. Trained monkeys you say ?

OK.. So what are the figures ? (total road deaths per year) Deaths reported at the Scene ? (Thai figures?) Estimates made by international organisations: WHO ? Answers: WHO quote: 25,000 road deaths per year on Thailands roads. 76% are motorcyclists. Thus: 6000 motorists (4 wheels or more) die each year on Thailands roads. Thailand’s population: 71.6 million Thus: = 8.37 deaths per 100,000 of population per year are those in cars, lorries, vans, busses etc. That is less than the USA for 4 wheeled vehicles and larger. There would need to be a total of 33,000 total road deaths per year for the 4 wheeled vehicles+ tally to match that of the USA. The stats clearly show the USA is a more dangerous place to drive a car, regardless of how illogical this seems.

No... its just the English Language. Bizarrely, you chose to imagine ‘add-ons’ to what someone wrote and then take offence at your imagined interpretation and posted your objection. What you have done is called ‘Gaslighting’ and also ‘Virtue signalling’...

Thought you know that we are many different nationalities on this forum, and that they have specifically informed, numerous times, that we should not call out each other regarding the level of English that is used in this forum. However, it seems like Brits can´t understand there are more languages in the world. I agree.... I respect those who speak English as a second language, particularly those who speak and write English as a second language as well as you. However, when its highlighted that you have misunderstood or imagined some meaning in a comment and you refuse to accept that, then its natural that your comprehension is brought into question... ... You still seem to not understand that no one has said its ok to throw stones at an ambulance. Or, perhaps you do but your ‘face saving ego’ has surfaced and you lack the capacity to simply admit a mistake.

OK.. So what are the figures ? (total road deaths per year) Deaths reported at the Scene ? (Thai figures?) Estimates made by international organisations: WHO ?

Have you tried the P̣hrryā-Mop ????..... was good for a while before it stopped functioning and I had to switch over to the Mæ̀ban-Mop !!!

Where did the lady state that the Police put a vape in her hands ? The article states they she has claimed this ?... where did they source that info if no other social or news outlet has this information?.... is it made up? ... link to the the girl making their statement on her own social media page or wherever she made it ? Seems very dodgy as if the Nation have been executing a smear campaign.....

Thats exactly what it seems like to me too... That said: Why is there no clear direct statement from this lady?.... I’m wondering when the police to obfuscate some more and file defamation charges against the actress.