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Quite possible... the story states he was not permitted entry to the Karaoke Bar... thats the strange part for me... So why run in the first place ?.... was he escaping an earlier place where people were chasing him ? As you also point out... The two guys have got off the motorcycle and he runs towards them, which is also odd if he is trying to 'escape' from them..... so maybe he was running away from others, or in a drugged up state, something imaginary. A lot of this story doesn't add up and as you mentioned, that simply could be his 'reported' behavior is extremely odd due to substances consumed. All we see in the CCTV is him running up to the bike and trying to get on it and ride it off and the guys stopping him and subduing him, sadly fatally so... ... He also appears to be screaming something which could be "they're trying to kill me, ahhhhh"... It's all a rather odd story - but it needs far more serious investigation for sure - as whatever the 'witness' statements are, we really can't be taking any statement made by two guys who killed someone as fact. I'd hope to see (or at least hope the family and investigators) get to see un-doctored toxicology results too.

Your idea of a 'fact check' is comical - its nothing more than looking at a Thai media source.... This is usually the same media source from which an English translation was made and contains the same gaps and informational mistakes... You are an utter fool for considering in any way or form that any of these 'reports' are facts.... Far from it... they are 'news articles' that quote nearby people, who themselves are often guessing or incorrect, or in the case of this story, quote the 'two guys who ended up killing someone'.... and you take this as 'fact'... only a pure idiot is so stupid... and you wash rinse and repeated the same utter idiocy repeatedly in a state of pure delusional fantasy without any critical thought or even the most basic sense of intellectual balance.

Nope - I didn't make that up - I questioned if it was a Pit Bull type dog and explained why is questioned that... making the statement: [My very first thoughts... Pit Bull... but thats clearly due to the bias and media conditioning we've received over the years] You were too stupid to understand that last comment which has now been highlighted for the 3rd time for you... yet you still accuse me of making up stories, when the comments are in fact open speculation and guess work..... There is nothing on any of the CCTV footage which shows it. The only mention of the 'kick to the nuts' is the quote from the Thug who lured an aging foreigner into an alley and knocked him out.... You of course believed the Thai thug's word as fact - no surprise there.... Show proof of the foreigner kicking the security guy in the nuts - there is none. Yep... you used that one a few times - a weak attempt to point score. Just as you did accusing me of having 'altercations' which Thai's - just your made up accusations of the lying cockroach you are. the delusion is all yours... an out right liar.

what did you see of ‘his behaviour’ ??? looked like he was running for his life… turns out for good reason…. Why was he running & what from ?

Yes of course it was the cheating Thais fault.The Englishman was behaving like a perfect gentleman and didn’t bring it upon himself three times. At least you are consistent if very predictable. You saw the question marks, right ??? (that was another three). I'm asking questins because the story is odd, it seems incomplete... The guys who say the 'guy' was running to the bar and they wouldn't let him in, are the same guys who chased him an ultimately killed him.. ... Are you really going to believe anything they say ???? I don't think they killed him deliberately of course - the video shows that they tried to stop him... he tried to get away on their bike, they subdued him the fatality part looks accidental... ... But what were they doing chasing him in the first place ? - to help a foreigner in need ??? ... They killed him, are you really going to believe the 'excuse' of who two guys who just killed someone ???? You're a complete fool if you do... but we know that you'll believe anything in print whatever the source, without question, without critical thought, without questioning what the facts really are ? .... And why is that ?... because it all fits your highly idiotic and delusional bias that Thai's can do no wrong and foreigners are all bad. Too many questions in this story - nothing adds up at all...

Some nations have a much higher segment than others. Becasue 'some nations' are here in far greater numbers. A very poor attempt to troll... list these 'altercations' I've had, anything which led to physical violence... I recall telling a story of how I complained to the Purser, when on a flight with my 4 year old son (who was sleeping on my lap), I wanted a beer (2nd beer of the flight) about 4 hours in, and the FA rudely told me to go and get my own. .... You used that story good few times to accuse me of 'attacking flight attendants on a plane'... You see Malky... you take a snippet of a story and contort it so far out of context to support your own vapid agenda you outwardly lie, you miss quote people, you quote partial information... Your posts are not in the interest of obtaining fact or understanding a story, but all with the singular goal of trolling, triggering argument and forcing this bizarre and highly delusional rhetoric that noThai's can do any wrong and whenever a foreigner reaches the media - its always their fault. Your posts are the ultimate example of a manipulative toxic cockroach at work - you're a perfect case study of what a troll truly is - hats off, you play your part well.

Another fabrication - it looks like the Brit was running away from a fight... Why were they chasing him ? Made up rubbish again - there was no evidence of the 'kick to the nuts'... nothing in the full CCTV coverage - you are just copying what the Thai thug said and stupidly taking it as fact.

Sounds like a great idea for a youtube channel. You could teach them how to be proper posh tw8ts. Sounds like a great idea for a youtube channel. You could teach them how to be proper posh tw8ts. Corrected it for you blaze...

The story is incomplete - much more happened here... What was he running from exactly ???... Are we really going to believe the information provided by the two witnesses who killed him ? - I know MalcomB does, but I mean normal people with balanced and critical thought.

This article was a idiots wet-dream... it must have taken you a while to clean up after yourselve... And this is exactly why - Well spotted Gottfrid...

Another delusional comment - you are only interested in stirring the pot.

You read the news which is nearly always incomplete.... the void in information and fact are obvious... hence the very common comment ... 'there's more to the story'... (than the report indicates).... Additionally, if you take the 'written word' in a media source such as Khaosod - then you're blind fool - there is no fact checking. There are hardly any facts in these reports, we get half videos, and 'witness statements' which are pure guess work of whoever was nearby, yet because a Thai media source runs with it and it gets translated... you take the words as fact and like a blind food take those words without any critical thought whatsoever.... you're an utter fool ffor believing most of the rubbish just because its in print.... You want a question mark.... a huge one hangs over your basic intelligence.

Same here... VFS... passports replaced in the last 6 months for both my son and I. VFS only snip the Corner once you receive your replacement passport and verify its accuracy (DOB, Names etc). The reason for this is your existing passport, while theoretically void while a new passport is under application is still valid as 'existing legal ID' in Thailand until it 'snipped' - it also acts as an emergency travel document. Thus: I suspect you may have your wires crossed as to the 'stage' at which the staff at the VFS (The Shoppes at Belle Grand Rama 9) snipped the corner off your old passport, or someone there made a fundamental error - as you would have been left without 'legal identification'.

The corner gets 'snipped' only upon receipt of replacement / new passport. But... given the condition of his passport having gone through the wash, he can't travel on it anyway.

I did the same thing years ago.... (about 20)... Maid hands me my passport the next morning, all wrinkly, visa stamps run, ID page visible... .... called up the British Consulate.... As long as the ID page is still clear, then its ok to apply for a replacement'. Steps: - Book an Appointment at VFS - Download the forms and fill out for a replacement passport (check box - replacement due to damage). - Usual Process for Passport renewal If you have no urgency to travel, then its ok... You'll keep your old passport. When the new Passport arrives, head to your Immigration office and have the stamps transfered (most of their info is digital - so it shouldn't be an issue)

There's still a lot left out of this story... .... Why was he running away from the Karaoke place ? If he was simply refused entry, what possible reason did he have to run ? .... is being 'drugged up' an excuse they made up ? Did he actually enter the Karaoke and build up a bill ? then try and escape without paying ? .... Did they heavily pad his bill which led to an altercation that he tried to escape ? .... If he was simply running away from a Karaoke place he was rejected entry from, why did they even bother to chase him at all ??? there was no reason to follow him, they simply could have let him run... Instead, they caught up with him, got off their bike, tried to restrain him, then he tried to take their bike, then they restrained him again and he died.

Some wild clues for you below... Question Marks (highlighted in Bold) in Boheamanfish's comment... clearly indicating the speculative nature of his comment. 'Thoughts' (highlighted in Bold) in my comment... indicating the speculative nature of my comment, also with 'that is clearly due to the bias and media conditioning we've received over the years.... ... which clearly indicates my post was speculative and suspected a bit Pull type dog was involved because we have been conditioned by the media and are now bias we reading such news. In your haste to virtue signal - you completely missed the context of the post like a true numpty... but more so, like a true trolling verminuous cockroach you are attempting to troll and trigger argument....

Because its not just to foreigners... Its to each other too... Read all the news of fights between students a Technical Colleges - the lower socio-demographic of Thailand grows up with violence all around them... ... the grow up with it in the home, they grow up with it at school (Tech colleges), they grow up with it in all forms of social media and the news.... and if they are good at it they will be revered for it as Thai Boxers..... ... Amongst the lower socio-demographic of Thailand violence is simply the norm... for the most part, we as foreigners are outside of this 'circle of violence' but sometimes... in area's of where Thai's have grown jaded, this violence overlaps...

And in the meantime, another will have rolled down a ravine... Wild guess on the blame... Brake failure !!!...

Please can we not make stories and just stick to the facts. What’s wrong with you people. Not a Pit Bull or a viscous breed. Just a Thai dog. https://www.banmuang.co.th/news/region/422808 Are you genuinely that dense, or is punctuation just too advanced for you? It’s called a question mark - look it up. It means someone is asking something, not telling a bedtime story, so spare us you virtue signalling... its pathetic from someone as hypocritical as yourself.... Your link finally coughs up that it’s a Thai breed dog... congratulations... Now tell me, why the hell wasn’t that mentioned in the original piece? Instead, we get this half-baked mess that leaves a vacuum for guesswork. That’s the thing you're clearly unfamiliar with - questions. You know, those squiggly things at the end of sentences? They exist because the story is incomplete (as often mentioned in these threads).

It's a segment of society - primarily chav like characters, unable to handle their booze, load up on other-stuff... we see it with all nationalities.... Every week we see a new flavour, Israeli's, Chinese, Russians, Swiss, Brits, Aussies, Germans, French etc etc... ... And every time some genius makes a sweeping generalisation about that nation.... That said, you haven't fallen into the trap that some idiots do generalise sweeping with a very broad brush, you simply highlighted that there is a 'segment of Brits' - but thats true of any nation... all have their utter idiots... We have our own on here... those who would see a 2 day over-stayer kicked out for ever, those alcoholics who can't help themselves and drink drive - there are dumb people who do (or write) dumb stuff all over - and thats why the news is as often as colourful as it is....

My very first thoughts... Pit Bull... but thats clearly due to the bias and media conditioning we've received over the years. I agree - shoot the dog - it has to be put down. And... yep - I'm still betting this dog was a bit-bull variety or one of the breeds that is commonly banned or on 'dangerous dogs lists' in many countries.... It certainly wasn't a poodle !!!

congratulation's ...... you win the most stupid post of the year award so far !! it was judged you win because the story is about 10 vs 1 in beating up someone. Nothing to do with your comment. The comment is somewhat valid - as in these area's there seems to be an underlying tension and air of resentment that does not exist outside of these area's.... ... Its a perfect example of the saying 'familiarity breeds contempt'... but it I don't think it has anything to do with tourists coming in and who they sh@g..... it has everything do to with the underlying attitudes sense of entitlement and behavior of both the Thai's and the Foreigners that these area's attract... ... Its just a melting pot of scummy attitudes thats easily tipped...

I'm guessing... some snide remark from one to anther, a reply... then an issue went from zero to incendiary in seconds with a 10 on one beating... I've seen it enough times in these area's the 'some of these MC guys are looking for a trigger'... just waiting sometimes.... A mate was beaten up... he walked past a group on a corner... he was drunk... the MC guys if he asked if he wanted an MC... he replied.... "No thanks".... they shouted back at him something about being a no good foreigner... he told them to "F-off"... and that was all it took, they set about him.... ... His mistake, no just walking past them completely ignoring any attempted 'trigger'.... I've heard similar stories a few times.... Meanwhile... in other area's these Win-rider guys can be quite helpful and run out and do errands for you... It just depends where you are - and the guys working in Pattaya and Patong at 4am are not right guys to be having any form of interaction with at all... none-whatsoever... they are 'hand-grenades on a hair trigger'...

I'm so glad my son is growing up with the option to do both and much more... so that his education is vastly improved and he's not stuck making limited binary observations as above....