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1. Yes

2. The letter is required by most immigration offices.

3.The office where the extension was done

4.Free and usually done the same day.

If your friend knows where the old office was (near the intersection) then the new one is further down the road and you can see it from the highway (the complex anyway) again, on the left......don't go too far!!

I am sure this advice will be welcomed but what use is it ?

The OP's friend is seeking a new visa which cannot be obtained from a Thai immigration office.

There should not be a problem leaving.

Presumably the NGO has provided paperwork to support the visa application?

Does the NGO also appreciate you will need another work permit ?

So, although my Multiple O is expired but my last entry still valid, I need some transfer stamp in my new passport ? Thank you, this is all confusing.

You have no stamps which can or will be transferred. Just hand both passports to the IO on the way out !

Not true. I was on multi non o and had the visa detail transferred and a new 'admitted until' stamp.

The Savarnabhumi stamp was put in by Sri Ratcha immigration. They did not get it quite right, I came in by train from Malaysia, not by air.

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All that relates to entering the country not leaving !

I'd say that the enter before date on the visa is 11 August 2015, so it has now expired.

Well spotted!

If you do a border run in Sept the visa will have expired and you will be given a 30 day visa exempt entry.

Visa expiry and permission to stay are different animals!

Visas are valid and active from the day they are issued.

Again!

The OP has posted this whinge four 4, yes 4 times!

You run the (small) risk of being discovered by the Police to be on overstay which could result in a world of trouble.

Will immigration provide a documented statement which confirms their advice for you to break the law ?

I had a realted question about multi-entry visas.

I currently hold a non-immigrant O- Multiple entry Visa valid until 28 June 2016.

I first entered Thailand on this Visa on 30 June 2015 (with an admitted until date of 27 September).

However, I then left Thailand for Lao on 19 August. I re-entered Thailand on 26 August. I did not apply for any re-entry permit or this trip.

On re-entry I was given an admitted until date of only 24 September. By my calculations only another 29 days - should this be the case, is that correct?

Should my entry and re-entry have not triggered another 90 days of the visa to begin? Seemingly not, but why the date of 24 September (another 29 days from the new date of re-entry) in any case?

I actually have a trip out of Thailand planned before the end of September in any case but the admitted until date has baffled me somewhat. I was expecting 26 August + 90 days onwards which would be 24 November 2015? So is it an error or some other reason?

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By my calculations only another 29 days - should this be the case, is that correct?

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Yes it is correct.... the day of entry counts as day one.....so you have 29 left not 30.

It is incorrect!

ktmbkk says s/he has a valid multiple entry "O" and a 90 day permission to stay should have been given.

The error can be corrected at an immigration office

90 days is from the date the 90 day report was approved and not from the expiry date of the previous one.

Is this logical?

They don't say how long the approval will take.

I have just checked the documentation printed out from my last on line 90 day report

My next report is due 90 days from the date on which the last report was made not the date when it was approved.

So let's say I get 1 year extension based on marriage. I also have re-entry permit.

I leave thailand after say 80 days.... I then return a week or two later. What happens with the 90 day reporting?

Would I need to inform anyone that I'm leaving or is notification automatic?

If less than 90 days is spent in Thailand there is no need for a 90 report to be made

In your case the next 90 report would be due 90 days after returning to Thailand, day one being the day of return.

There is no need to inform anyone that you plan to leave the country

Try counting the days from the date the report was made!

I had a realted question about multi-entry visas.

I currently hold a non-immigrant O- Multiple entry Visa valid until 28 June 2016.

I first entered Thailand on this Visa on 30 June 2015 (with an admitted until date of 27 September).

However, I then left Thailand for Lao on 19 August. I re-entered Thailand on 26 August. I did not apply for any re-entry permit or this trip.

On re-entry I was given an admitted until date of only 24 September. By my calculations only another 29 days - should this be the case, is that correct?

Should my entry and re-entry have not triggered another 90 days of the visa to begin? Seemingly not, but why the date of 24 September (another 29 days from the new date of re-entry) in any case?

I actually have a trip out of Thailand planned before the end of September in any case but the admitted until date has baffled me somewhat. I was expecting 26 August + 90 days onwards which would be 24 November 2015? So is it an error or some other reason?

It would seem a simple error has occurred.

Go to an immigration office and ask for the mistake to be corrected.

I think the nearest place your friend can get an "O" visa based on being over 50 is Vientiane but he would have to show 800,000 Bht in a Thai bank or an Embassy certified monthly income of 65,0000 Bht to get the vis a.

At Savannakhet he could apply for a single or multiple entry visa based on marriage.He would need his marriage certificate +a copy and signed copies of his wife's ID and house book. There is no need for financial proof.

I remember some years ago now being "interrogated"by a US I immigration Officer . He was arrogant , overbearing and threatening.

It was only when I demanded to see/talk with his supervisor that the heat of the situation dissipated. I insisted on registering a formal complaint which was accepted by the boss.

Since that time I have never experienced any further problem with US immigration ...................Coincidence ?

Cut and past from Google ?

"The US just concluded a reciprocal agreement with China for 10 year visas"

Tell the US to pull the finger out and conclude similar agreements with all other countries .

Would the Chinese agreement have anything to do with the massive US $ dept owed to China ? .

No... nothing to do with that. The 10 year US tourist visa is common. For whatever reason the US already gives them to Thais as I said. Thailand does not reciprocate. I think the US should rethink this given the fact that Thailand has become so restrictive on its 30 day stamps. When they were virtually unlimited it was a different story.

There is no restriction on what you call 30 day stamps .

There is only restriction on those who attempt to use repeated back to back "30 day stamps" as a means of staying long term or working illegally .

So you think you could show me someone that has recently obtained 6 30 day stamps back to back (equivalent to a 180 day entry in the US)? Sorry, you're wrong. There is a limit. It just isn't stated. Again, that broad discretion that immigration officers have that you don't seem to understand even though its plain to everyone else.

Yes I can !

I have a friend who is married to a Thai . He works outside Thailand and returns every other month using a visa exempt entry. Never a problem and his passport is stuffed with 30 day stamps!

Sorry you are very wrong !

"The US just concluded a reciprocal agreement with China for 10 year visas"

Tell the US to pull the finger out and conclude similar agreements with all other countries .

Would the Chinese agreement have anything to do with the massive US $ dept owed to China ? .

No... nothing to do with that. The 10 year US tourist visa is common. For whatever reason the US already gives them to Thais as I said. Thailand does not reciprocate. I think the US should rethink this given the fact that Thailand has become so restrictive on its 30 day stamps. When they were virtually unlimited it was a different story.

There is no restriction on what you call 30 day stamps .

There is only restriction on those who attempt to use repeated back to back "30 day stamps" as a means of staying long term or working illegally .

They do not have the right to refuse anyone for any reasons other than granted by law. They may be able to use discretion within that law but it's very limited and certainly doesn't include exclusion for having x amount of previous visa exempt entries. If an IO wanted to exclude someone for "the likelihood of being a nuisance" they would have to justify it to senior officers. Immigration must then give the foreigner written notice to leave. The foreigner has the right to appeal to a higher authority.

Embassies and Consulates can only refuse visas that they offer if the applicant cannot provide all requested supporting documentation. Again, they don't make law they issue visas based on the law.

Agreed that no foreigner has the automatic right to enter but as long as they meet the entry requirements an IO cannot legally refuse entry. IO's turning foreigners away at borders and telling them to go and get visas are acting unlawfully, and discretion doesn't come in to it.

That's TOTALLY WRONG information. I'm not planing to get into an argument about the discretion of immigration officers, but it is virtually unlimited. You shouldn't be putting information like this out there, as it is based on your false assumptions, not the law.

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A detailed explanation of what you believe to be "TOTALLY WRONG" would be appreciated by us ill-informed chaps.

Thanks

Their discretion to allow entry is broad.

They can (and often do) refuse people for having too may previous entries.

They can refuse entry on suspicion alone--they do not need proof.

They do not have to admit you because you happen to meet the entry requirements.

i.e. So pretty much what I said. Totally wrong.

Sorry to say but I believe you to be "totally wrong" !

End of debate ............

Thanks.

A couple questions:

So I'll be issued a 1-year that expires in October 2016. Is there any way to eventually get this cycle rolled back to expiring in August (or forward to December)? October will always be difficult.

Will I need proof of address in BKK-Chang Wattana? I usually stay in the executive apartments that are part of certain hotels. What would I use for proof? Utilities (and everything else) are included. There is no lease.

Yes you can "roll" back the cycle !

You must leave Thailand without a re-entry permit. This will cancel the extension of stay .

Return , at your convenience, and re-start the process timed so as to secure a more agreeable renewal date.

They do not have the right to refuse anyone for any reasons other than granted by law. They may be able to use discretion within that law but it's very limited and certainly doesn't include exclusion for having x amount of previous visa exempt entries. If an IO wanted to exclude someone for "the likelihood of being a nuisance" they would have to justify it to senior officers. Immigration must then give the foreigner written notice to leave. The foreigner has the right to appeal to a higher authority.

Embassies and Consulates can only refuse visas that they offer if the applicant cannot provide all requested supporting documentation. Again, they don't make law they issue visas based on the law.

Agreed that no foreigner has the automatic right to enter but as long as they meet the entry requirements an IO cannot legally refuse entry. IO's turning foreigners away at borders and telling them to go and get visas are acting unlawfully, and discretion doesn't come in to it.

That's TOTALLY WRONG information. I'm not planing to get into an argument about the discretion of immigration officers, but it is virtually unlimited. You shouldn't be putting information like this out there, as it is based on your false assumptions, not the law.

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A detailed explanation of what you believe to be "TOTALLY WRONG" would be appreciated by us ill-informed chaps.

Thanks

"The US just concluded a reciprocal agreement with China for 10 year visas"

Tell the US to pull the finger out and conclude similar agreements with all other countries .

Would the Chinese agreement have anything to do with the massive US $ dept owed to China ? .

The fine for voluntary payment should be 2,000 baht (regardless of time) or 4,000 if found out (normally during an arrest). Max is 5,000 but if not payed they can also charge an extra 200 baht per day until you do so.

For probably 99% the fine will be 2,000 baht and it is quite firm these days at most locations.

Yep, I can confirm the 2,000 baht, which I paid at Phiboon Mangshan Immi, because I was two days late.

2000THB for 2 days late? Wow this is some penality!

Standard fine for those who find the 90 day reporting window of 15 days prior to 7 days after the due date for the report unsuited to their busy lives !

Yes but there are periods of outage. Did you use Internet Explorer for your internet form filling? Other browsers require use of IE mode using an extension such as IE Tab to get submit to work.

No, I'm using my Macbook; it has a built-in user agent.

Others have reported issues when using Mac's

Are you sure the Mac has a built in IE emulator ?