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Given the tools, personnel, laws and circumstances that Abhisit has had to work with, what would you wish he was doing now that he is not doing? He has the opportunity here to be a transformative PM. This isn't over by a long ways.
he's under voluntary house arrest. what else?
Do you think he's not conducting the country's business? You think the only planning/negotiations going on are what we read about in the newspapers? You think he's quaking in a bunker? You think he should be on TV getting everyone worked up?
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Talking about Thai culture, there is the concept of ga-boht (กบฏ). This is a very old Sanskrit word. This means to revolt, stage a coup, being anti Thai, trying to overthrow the government to bring in a new regime or new way of doing things (like the president of Taksin stickers). This is how the red shirts are perceived by most Thais now. Its a stigma meaning that you are not a united Thai with the people and taints the whole of your family if you go this way. Hence the reduced number of red shirts and the general downward demise of the movement. Since the black shirt army kicked in; and in the modern day world of mass communications, this was hard to hide, most Thais have turned against the red shirts. Writing is on the wall now, so to speak. Being Thai is very a very strong concept with Thais. Watch the demise of the red shirts...
You have struck on the "mot juste" As my wife says "I've never seen any "ga-boht" as stupid as this group. The government doesn't have to destroy them, they will destroy themselves".
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Going to bed, very interesting day. Good news about possible end to the violence, but bad news the mob prevailed in this manner, not good for Thailand. Also sad Abhisit's days are numbered, I believe he could have accomplished much for all Thais given more time and cooperation, and greatly improve the country's international standing. Hopefully he will return to be PM once again. Just my opinions, as you have yours. Good thread. G'nite.
I do agree with you. In spite of criticism of Abhisit (and nearly all well deserved), I think he was the right man at the wrong time. Essentially he was used by those who lacked the courage to face the public with their own ethics and idealogy. Nothing would please me more than if Abhisit formed his own party, selected his own advisors, and stood by his convictions.
Given the tools, personnel, laws and circumstances that Abhisit has had to work with, what would you wish he was doing now that he is not doing? He has the opportunity here to be a transformative PM. This isn't over by a long ways.
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New elections and the show is over.But this government know they will loose.
An immediate General Election is the answer but if the PM is so confident that the people of Thailand are behind him what has he to loose.. NOTHING... but he has everything to gain .. A country reunited and the Red-shirsts have already pledged that they will accept the outcome of a general election..
Why is he so chicken hearted .. or is his yellow colour a thick stripe down the centre of his back...?
Why would you suppose that a group that holds an unlawful, violent assembly to bring down a government would not create similar mayhem during an election. You can't forsee threats to blowup polling places likely to vote for non PTP candidates? You can't see mobs showing up to block legitimate campaign gatherings? If you're honest with yourself I think you can see those very types of things occuring and more. You just can't hold elections in this climate. If that means this government falls to the military if it can't affect a solution, then so be it. There's no democracy to be had here if this government doesn't hold the line.
With regards to your comments I suggest that you should throw them out with the rest of your rubbish.
Firstly the protestors themselves tried to stay peaceful and have basically only retailated when provoked by a force sent against them by an undemocratical government, the government do not hold the majority of the electorate as of the last general election but voted themselves into powerafterr the collapse of the last democratically elected government - that is when a General Election should rightly have been call according to the principles of democracy.
The violence however has either been started by opposition to the UDD movement or a small break-away faction trying to create anarchy within the country. As regards unlawful any government can rush through emergency legisalion and change the playing field, when the red-shirts commenced their campaign they were not breaking the law, the government changed the playing field in an attempt to remove the embarrasement the UDD movement was creating for them.
As for your absurd acquations relating to the election process may I refer you the the mostly peaceful and orderly way the electon ran in 2007 here in Thailand. I can see your answer is simply to have the military take over the government and rule the country again .. Not really the correct answer.
Finally as for democracy in Thailand I would agree that it doesn't exist her in Thailand whilst ever the present government is in power as they were not democratically elected to rule ....
I don't agree with a single word of your post, but I'll rebut a single issue specifically, I am not in favor at all of the military staging a coup.
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Definitley seems with youtube and Methee that the evidence of red involvement in violence is increasing. I guess that mustr have played its part in todays climbdown by their leadership. This stuff wont play well with neutrals. I would think the government will make a coujnter offer and I would guess the sideconditions will be difficult. There are people going to be potantially facing death sentences
It will also be interesting to see the reaction of the multicoloureds and PAD. Without their agreement to a deal there is little chance of it working
Agree. Also believe the folks that think Anupong minced words today are mistaken. For those with reason to listen, he said a lot.
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MCOT: Red Shirt is ready to hold new round of talks if government agrees to dissolve parliament in 30 days: Veera
LMAO .. we'll talk if you meet are demands before hand.
Send in the tanks.
I think Veera wants to negotiate the terms of his future freedom.
Well, it's a 100% improvement on the original demand for dissolution in 15 days and a 3,000% improvement on their later demand for immediate dissolution.
At least it's some movement and perhaps shows that Red Shirt solidarity on infinite intransigence is breaking down.
Also indicates that Veera has moved away from the demand for Abhisit to leave the country.
A tiny little, infinitely tiny, ray of sunshine?
I agree. Abhisit should reduce his offer on dissolution to 8 1/2 months, reducing the previous offer by 15 days just as the Reds have raised there's by 15 days.
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The RED are so stupid & unimaginative; <snip>
(unsure if you are being facetious or not, doesn't matter - my reply fits either way)
Actually ct I think their leaders have outsmarted the government almost every step of the way for the past 6 weeks.
Crude maybe, but some crafty people are running this thing for the Reds, as evidenced by the choice pick of the 3 Army officers attacked (the Colonel killed) on the 10th and its ramifications on the upcoming Army leadership reshuffle.
Now Army says no force will be used to disperse the protesters -- I thought this was a promise (to disperse). See? Red's outsmarted the gov't and Army again. They are winning. I think they will get all they want or very close to it.
Anupongs statement was contradictory: it is an attack on the monarchy, we will defend the monarchy, we wont use force to clear protestors, we wont let Thais kill each other. Go figure but it sure seems to confuse
And each day some more time passes and legislative business gets done. Soon the rains will come and that may thin the crowd a bit more. Playing for time it looks like.
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Sadly Thailand and its people are being le down the same road as Castro led the Cubans 50+ years ago. Castro led his campaign on the platform of individual freedom and the betterment of life for all.
When that victory was achieved Castro then came out in his true colours and announced that he was a Communist and then established along with his brother and Che Guevara a communist regime which was as draconian and as oppressive as the very system he (Castro) had led a war against.
The Cuban people did not achieve freedom or equality but Castro to a lesser degree and his brother still lead an oppressive regime .
Their tactics and their political dogma are the very same self serving aims that Jutaporn, Arisman, Weng, Veera and Thaksin have adopted in their quest to establish their new political enslavement of Thailand and its people.
I think everyone knew that Castro and Che were Communists - not a well kept secret... I don't think the analogy is sound apart from the 'people' are in pain and are reacting against the elite and priviliged.
What have the "people" got to do with anything?
http://kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/iss...article_31.html
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Gold is still expected to consolidate for a few more months. If the consolidation remains in a tight range (1000-1200), then expect Gold to explode upwards once a new weekly buy is generated.
that's what Mrs Naam is telling me since she started hoarding gold in 2007. however, when i ask her about her purchases of the last few months she pretends to be too busy to answer.
Maybe something like that:
hel_l, I don't know. I defer to the lady.
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New elections and the show is over.But this government know they will loose.
An immediate General Election is the answer but if the PM is so confident that the people of Thailand are behind him what has he to loose.. NOTHING... but he has everything to gain .. A country reunited and the Red-shirsts have already pledged that they will accept the outcome of a general election..
Why is he so chicken hearted .. or is his yellow colour a thick stripe down the centre of his back...?
Why would you suppose that a group that holds an unlawful, violent assembly to bring down a government would not create similar mayhem during an election. You can't forsee threats to blowup polling places likely to vote for non PTP candidates? You can't see mobs showing up to block legitimate campaign gatherings? If you're honest with yourself I think you can see those very types of things occuring and more. You just can't hold elections in this climate. If that means this government falls to the military if it can't affect a solution, then so be it. There's no democracy to be had here if this government doesn't hold the line.
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Of course there has always been corruption in Thailand like there is in every country - here just more obvious - but to compare Thaksin with anyone before him would be the same as to compare a boy stealing a sweet in a corner shop with the Brinks Matt robbery
forgot - and he isn't in Thailand , if he was he would be in Klong Prem where he belongs
The fortune that Thaksin accumulated was/is obscene, yes, but Thaksin's wealth is rather small when you compare it to the entire wealth of the old money elite ruling the country. I'm sure these people too didn't get their money from an honest day's work.
Why were the courts so keen to nab Thaksin for his crimes? - Because he got popular vote and was upsetting the balance of power. "No, no, no!" said the old boys, "We'll start a Yellow movement and the army can't touch us."
Thaksin bought the godfathers who delivered their voting blocks. Just like the rally now, he biought them and they're delivering him bodies.
Read it!
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A very simplistic view of the situation. I think that the Government have been very restrained with these loonies and have been reluctant to take a heavy hand because they are hoping to avoid or minimize casualties. Unfortunately for them, the red shirts have taken advantage of this and upped the ante to escalate the confrontation which as sure as night follows day, WILL come.
The sad part about it is that many rank and file red shirts who are rallying on the mistaken belief that this is all about democracy will be merely cannon fodder thanks to Thaksin and the red shirt leaders to further their political goals. The red shirts have been let get away with too much for too long so in their mind, they can do anything with impunity which of course will not be.
A sad sad day for Thailand.
I'm sorry but this is very simplistic thinking - we are at the cusp of a cultural revolution - Thaksin is just a small part of it - some parts we cannot discuss (but the OP alludes to)- some we can. Abhisit HAS to call an election - with dates. Even his Army masters have said there has to be a dissolution - he should stop clinging onto power and let the people decide.
Why do you continue to assume "the people" have anything to do with this? At first I could pass thisoff as naivete or ignorance as you've been here such a short time. I now believe you where your blinders willingly. Get this straight. This has nothing to do with "the people". This is a battle between provincial godfathers and the central government.
You don't need to be rude... it is my position that this part of a larger cultural shift and as such many are used as pawns in the great 'shift' and as such 'the people' have 'everything' to do with it - go study cultural shift (with respect).
You're right , it's about a cultural shift, but it's a shift BACKWARDS to the days where the poor were beholden to their rural chao por. All law, economics, world view stemmend from the feudal families of the provinces. They hate given up that peasantry they fed on for so many years. They hate the fact thatbanks might make loans rather tha loan sharks. That the government establishes price supports for rice, rather than the owner of the local mill just telling you how it is. C'mon man, WAKE UP!
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Taken with a greater cultural overview - this is paradigm shift happening NOW - countries go through it in different ways. The point is that, at the very basic, grass roots there is a call for CHANGE... a change from the 'old' ways of being ruled by an elitist group who make all the money and have all the power. It is true that most of the 'foot soldiers' will not realize they are a part of this shift - but they are.
I believe that a large part of this is in anticipation of a future 'event' - one that no one wants but, sadly, will come - out of that could be a huge divide whilst the elitist yellows further see the increased unpopularity of that events outcome (I can say no more). Thailand is achanging... see how the elites cling and claw onto their power and bank balances - the majority of Thais will, eventually, wake up and when that day comes it is over...
Is this all just a "feeling" you have? Do you have any sense of how we arrived at this place?
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Abhisit/Government have already lost control of this country. The army and the police do nothing to stop the protests - for the simple reason they support the "reds" don't they. Anyone can see that.
The chief of the army already suggested that Abhisit dissolve the house. That was to allow him an opportunity to save face. Beacuse the next military coup is about to happen instead. I give it three days at the most.
A very simplistic view of the situation. I think that the Government have been very restrained with these loonies and have been reluctant to take a heavy hand because they are hoping to avoid or minimize casualties. Unfortunately for them, the red shirts have taken advantage of this and upped the ante to escalate the confrontation which as sure as night follows day, WILL come.
The sad part about it is that many rank and file red shirts who are rallying on the mistaken belief that this is all about democracy will be merely cannon fodder thanks to Thaksin and the red shirt leaders to further their political goals. The red shirts have been let get away with too much for too long so in their mind, they can do anything with impunity which of course will not be.
A sad sad day for Thailand.
I'm sorry but this is very simplistic thinking - we are at the cusp of a cultural revolution - Thaksin is just a small part of it - some parts we cannot discuss (but the OP alludes to)- some we can. Abhisit HAS to call an election - with dates. Even his Army masters have said there has to be a dissolution - he should stop clinging onto power and let the people decide.
Why do you continue to assume "the people" have anything to do with this? At first I could pass this off as naivete or ignorance as you've been here such a short time. I now believe you wear your blinders willingly. Get this straight. This has nothing to do with "the people". This is a battle between provincial godfathers and the central government.
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...one pink shirt was seen beating up a red shirt at the SkyTrain station...
That's a good start.
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It's important to remember that with the exception of the Democrats there is no party with any sort of platform. They are all opportunists that can deliver various voting blocs. They morph their ideology of the moment to whomever they cut their latest deal with. In that context the Democrats ARE the "middle party"
They appear, to me, to be the 'middle' of the 'right' which is not quite the same - if you see what I mean... the truth is - there is no one party at the moment who in the remotest way is 'inclusive' and 'honest' and I guess it should be seen in the longest terms - hoping that over decades it slowly and surely grows and matures - long after you and I have gone I'll warrant...
All parties, with the exception of the communists (which aren't a party) are right wing in Thailand. The Democrats are the furthest to the left of that group. You didn't read any of that stuff I PM'd you did you?
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Despressingly there is truth in this... and the answer is? (queue drum roll)The answer is the lives of Thai people continue to improve over time. Not as fast as some would like and at the expense of some entrenched interests, both in the capitol and in the provinces. The Red Shirts represent those provincial "interests" that feel displaced by Abhisit's stated goals of moving towards a more fair, just and egalitarian society. Maybe the PAD represents those interests nearer the seat of power, but their strong southern constituency would tend to belie that observation. The vast majority of Thai people are aligned with neither group.
Agreed... but you always get 'over exaggerations' of positions during the early 'teenage years' of growing nations. The problem is there is no 'middle' party - you see my position comes from a natural aversion to commercialism, materialism and exploitation of the poor by the rich - for me, generally, yellows represent more the rich and reds more the poor:
simplistic, I know
not entirely accurate, I know
muddied by the 'Thaksin Factor', I know
but, generally, broadly, this is my position - 'IF' there was a middle party who helped the poor and down-trodden without the nuisance of the 'Thaksin' factor I would support it - I hate this corruption and double faced noise - all sides are corrupt here - if they actually READ the Buddha's teachings on karma and responsibility (personal) they might tempers their GREED and AVERICE.
It's important to remember that with the exception of the Democrats there is no party with any sort of platform. They are all opportunists that can deliver various voting blocs. They morph their ideology of the moment to whomever they cut their latest deal with. In that context the Democrats ARE the "middle party"
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exactly - it's the last ditch attempt by the desperate Elite to retain power - it's over - they are doomed
more hysterical heavily biased nonsense - obviousluy, it cuts both ways
Yes..........."cuts both ways."
The tragic reality is that it does not matter which side wins.........the elites will retain power.
This "game" is being played at a high level.......it is a power struggle (i.e., struggle over which elite faction retains majority control over the most MONEY).
In the end, the people lose.
This same political game is being played in every nation-state.
Nothing will change until there is fundamental change at a level most people don't think about: the level of ideas/thoughts that underpin decision-making.
For that to happen the flow of information must change (not happening now).
Chanting "change" over and over again does not lead to change (we just saw that in the USA).
This is all a sick game.......the masses lose.............the elites win.........frustration builds............the game starts over again.
Despressingly there is truth in this... and the answer is? (queue drum roll)
The answer is the lives of Thai people continue to improve over time. Not as fast as some would like and at the expense of some entrenched interests, both in the capitol and in the provinces. The Red Shirts represent those provincial "interests" that feel displaced by Abhisit's stated goals of moving towards a more fair, just and egalitarian society. Maybe the PAD represents those interests nearer the seat of power, but their strong southern constituency would tend to belie that observation. The vast majority of Thai people are aligned with neither group.
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Any foreigner who has some romantic notion of the reds being a simple folk who just want equality ought to get down into their camp and see for themselves what is happeneing and try to talk to some reds. I say try because talking isn't something they seem very keen on unless it is to say "civil war". I have attempted to engage red supporters both before and after the 10th and it is always the same. You must do what we say, you must think what we think. I must need re-educating for daring to have a different opinion to theirs (incidently my opinion included higher taxes for the rich, a law to force employers to advertise remuneration rates for jobs so that all applicants can compete on level terms, laws to punish corrupt politicians, strict land zoning in and around Bangkok to prevent huge factories polluting surrounding rice fields and to make it more economical for businesses to locate in the provinces). None of these ideas was listened to or understood only ridiculous rhetoric like "Abhisit is like the Burma government", "Thaksin will come back and help us" and even on one occasion "we must kill rich people to get equality".
For those who still think this is a peaceful protest about democracy take a look at how they are being whipped up into a violent frenzy. Has no one noticed how many of these reds are dressed in the style of the Khmer Rouge? Does that not worry anybody here? It certainly worries me. How many Thai flags can be seen at the redshirt stockade? Yesterday I counted one medium sized Thai flag and 25+ red flags of varying sizes, some with a black design on them that I am not familiar with. I don't understand why people are not seeing the significance. In Europe groups don't dress like nazis by accident, they dress like nazis because they are nazis. Similarly, in Asia people don't dress like fanatical communists by accident, it is because they are fanatical communists.
The red shirts have declared war on the government. They have vowed to hunt down the government. That means they have violent intentions. Where does this stop? Only the government and their helpers? Does it extend to those ultra rich Bangkokians who do nothing all day but go shopping? Does it go further to those who have nice cars or houses? Where does it stop? Are they against all those with better lives than they have? Are they going to hunt down people who have voiced opposition to the reds? Will they fall back on one of Mr Thaksin's favourite plays - "the farang is to blame"?
I have taken the time to go and speak with the reds, see what is actually happening and quite frankly they scare me. I am someone of very modest income but to these guys I probably look like a "rich elite". I hate their lawlessness under the guise of democracy and I hate the way they will not talk to anyone.
I don't want to see bloodshed and I don't want to see a protracted conflict here but if it starts I will be asking for someone to pass the kalashnikov so that I can point it at a red head as I trust the Bangkok elite not to attack my family for not being "prai" whereas I do not trust the redshirts to let honest, hardworking people go about a peaceful life and to try and improve society in a constructive way.
I visited the Redshirts Phanfa Bridge stage and rally site along Ratchdamnern Avenue on April 8 and pretty much found the same as you. Reds totally brainwashed by Thaksin and his lieutenants paid to spout anti-govt invective, full of hatred and blatant lies, that was clearly aimed to whip up violent feeling amongst the crowds wearing their Thaksin-logoed Redshirts and pathetic footclappers, waved around anytime anyone on stage finished a sentence. Neo-nazi rally type stuff. The few Reds I tried to engage in conversation were more or less incapable of saying anything rational beyond a blind adherence to the party line to smash the "elitist" Democrat govt and bring back Thaksin, who was a poor, hard-done by phrai, just like them.
Yesterday, I got a taxi out to Morchit with a totally demented Redshirt taxi driver who scared the living daylights out of me, not with his driving but his worldviews. He was convinced there was going to be civil war in the next few days and seemed quite happy by this prospect. Again, Thaksin had been cheated out of the PMship and was an innocent victim who had only ever helped the country. Never done anything wrong or criminal, it was all made up by the govt to discredit him. The double standards and corrupt Democrat govt were going to pay, as the Reds were going to make them, through violence if necessary. By the time, we got to Morchit this madman was making whistling noises and explosions, then laughing at the prospect. Never been so glad to get out of a taxi in my life.
Heaven help Thailand...........................
Folks.... the violence between the red shirts and government is horrid, yes... and meeting DEMENTED red shirts is not a pleasant experience... but tell me... aside from the obvious violence and reprehensible killing.... is it THAT much worse than what Bernard Madoff did in the U.S.?
I'm sorry, but I fail to see the connection between Bernie Madoff and the Redshirt protesters.........please explain yourself?
Are they doing pyramid schemes now as well, or perhaps you are referring to one of Thaksin's get rich quick schemes? He certainly never threw any Molotov cocktails, stole military weapons, threw hand grenades, kidnapped trains, damaged public property, threatened journalists or killed anyone, so what is the comparison you are trying to make?Maybe the connection is that in both cases many of the supporters knew it was a scam but figured they'd make enough money before it all blew up that it wouldn't matter.
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Yep, you now know why the Reds erected all the bamboo barricades.
To keep the violent PAD/Yellow/Multicolors out.
The PAD want to invoke violence, they will try tonight it seems.
Hope the barricades hold or many will be killed due to PAD starting violence against Reds.
If the PAD went to Khon Kaen and starting sleeping and pissing in the streets I'm sure it would take less than a month for an angry mob to form and kick them out. Reds have been begging for violence and they'll keep being A-holes till they get it.
Official police figures.
70% of reds are Bangkok residents.
Good, less incentive to hang around should trouble start.
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Clearing out the protest site will not be easy. see for yourself. Go and kick a wasp's nest. Yes, you can destroy the nest, but there will be a lot of agitated wasps buzzing around. No matter how well protected you are, a few are going to manage to sting you. It isn't a major health issue if you are able to take a few stings, but if you are allergic to wasp venom, all it takes is 1 jab and off you go into shock. A few more and you have cardiac arrest and then it's off to the funeral home.
The go slow approach with increased displays of "power" are sufficient to discourage many protestors. This incessant demand for an immediate "Go crack some skulls" will only make matters worse. I believe we are at the turning point and a few gentle nudges will bring this to an end. Despite angry comments to the contrary, the authorities are making progress. The protestors are contained in one area, other protest areas have been dealt with, ingress and egress is controlled and the situation is controlled. Let the authorities proceed at the current pace and this will come to a peaceful end. There is no need to create martyrs. Patience.
AMEN!
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Culprits fired RPG at PTT petrol depots in Pathum Thani
These are the things those reds are up to now. If the tank had blown it would have caused huge loss of life.
Now I'm just waiting for those reds here to cme out of their holes and say "oh tha government did this to discredit the red " such a statement wouldn't surprise me at all
The reds can end all this now by simply leaving and going home - anything that happens when the government /army moves in to clear them is 100% their fault
Get the <deleted>.. out of Bangkok
News to your ears eh BKjohn? If the tank had blown... If these people weren't repressed in the first place... If they got a fair wage for the work they did... If they didn't have the send their daughters to work in the sex industry in the City to make ends meet... With all these "ifs", you can see the "whys".
Having spoken to loads of poor Thai people about this I would add that nobody sends a daughter to the sex industry to make ends meet. Making ends meet is not that much of an issue in Thailand. However, it is an issue to get beyond this subsistance level for some/many although not as much as it was a few decades ago, so it would be better to phrase what you wrote as sending their daughters to the sex industry of the city to improve their lot. Many villagers look down on people who encourage their kids to do this by the way and would never countenance doing it themsleves. It is a very complicated issue
Many years ago there used to be selling of kids especially in the upper Northern region I havent heard of much recently except a little around Chiang Rai and Chiang Mai which I heard about a few yerars ago that sadly involved girls at completion of P6. However I actually heard about this from a relative of a family trying to stop other older family members doing it and it wasnt about making ends meet at all.
By the way I dont disagree about the repression but there is no need to exaggerate it as that just undermines the arguement
Also firing RPGs at aviation fuel tanks is the act of a lunatic or real terrorist and Im sure we would all condemn this act and hope the person respnsible is captured quickly and hopefully not given bail
15-25 years ago the selling of children by their families to factories and brothels was very common in the NE. There has been great social progress there along with steadily improving incomes and educational opportunities. Compared to then, life is very much improved in the NE and continues to improve. No one HAS TO be a prostitute anymore.
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Oh Lordy! Has the train driver fled the scene?
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In what reality are soldiers supposed to die when being attacked by weapon wielding maniacs and not respond to defend themselves? I totally do not understand the people criticising soldiers defending themselves, the red shirts have been given soooo much leeway it is ridiculous. In most other countries you go at it with the police and military with lethal force and you are immediately put down.
You are wrong. Often the army can be overrun by the people as you recently saw in Kygystan. Further back, the most notable countries that disprove your statements was pretty much all the former eastern block countries with their revolutions.
The position of the Red camp (I can't believe I am explaining this to you, but hey, its raining and I can't get home) is DEFENSIVE the Army will not be attacked by this structure and the only danger is poses is if somebody runs their stupid self into it. It's been on TV all week so one would need to be off ones trolley to get impaled on it.
But, that all part of the game of PAD posting. Just trot out any old thing.
Keep trying though, some of you are getting the hang of it..... just
I agree that the posture of the red protesters towards the army is defensive. Where I disagree is that IMO they took an offensive troop into an area of noncombatants. They have moved into residential and business districts and have curtailed the freedoms of the people that live and work there. The army is but the response to that offensive. It is my hope rational people will reach a compromise that avoids bloodshed and also moves the country forward.
Bangkok On Edge After Deadly Grenade Blasts
in Thailand News
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I don't agree that others are controlling him. I do agree he must depend on others, some of whom are incompetent and some with conflicting agendas and he has to navigate his way through all that. As far as others having oversight responsibilities, that's normal in any government in any country. As executive he knows he's ultimately responsible however.