Hanaguma

Really? I was under the impression that asylum seekers should stop in the first safe country they enter. In most cases, that would be Mexico, wouldnt it? Not to mention the bill AFAIK did not have any provisions at all for detaining and housing asylum seekers. The current facilities are obviously inadequate.

Well, it seems that the so-called asylum seekers are availing themselves of billions of dollars in government assistance. Just check out the fun that cities like New York and Chicago are having. New York state alone estimates that caring for illegals and asylum seekers will cost the state $10 billion (with a b) in 2023. "Coming to work" is not a valid reason to seek asylum. They can work in their own countries. And apply for legal entry to the US at the same time. Meanwhile, the US government needs to do its job and seal the border as much as possible, and end the practice of letting asylees simply disappear into the countryside. Or worse, giving them plane/bus tickets to the city of their choice plus full benefits on arrival. They need to be detained until their cases can be adjudicated.

You also have to remember that farm workers are only a small fraction of the overall illegal immigrant population- perhaps 300,000 or so. Considering that 6-8 million entered the US over the course of the Biden administration, one wonders what they are all doing. Consider another country with a large agricultural sector like Australia- how do they do it when there are so few illegal immigrants?

Well, she does have considerable experience working under older men.

"Close the border" means not permitting anyone to cross at other than official border crossings. Those who try get refused. If they enter the US they are detained until being returned to Mexico. It also means that people without valid visas or permissions to enter at border crossings are also refused. Those who claim asylum are detained until their claims can be adjudicated. Invalid claims mean returned to Mexico. ETA: illegals found working on big farms would be given a chance to prove their case as to why they should be allowed to stay in the US. I'm not a totally heartless a..hole. People who have stayed long term (more than 10years) should get some consideration- perhaps enrolment in a guest worker kind of scheme. Their employers would get ONE warning to cease and desist from this day forward. But the 8 million who came in the past three years are not working on farms.

It was just a speculative example, based on your original claim. The actual price increase may vary. Now, on to your claims...

Biden is too addled and confused to lie. That is the conclusion of the report. Trump is still sharp enough to be a braggart and an arrogant prick. I know which I would pick if, God forbid, those were the only choices available.

"Foreign born" does not mean illegal immigrants. Are you a bit bigoted to make such an assumption?

You tell me, it is your assertion. What is the rise in prices for 'food'? You need to break it down by category because in many areas of agriculture there aren't so many illegal workers. Another shibboleth without details to back it up. I think most Americans would gladly pay an extra quarter for their lettuce if it was being harvested by American citizens or legal residents. I agree that those who employ illegal workers should be punished. But the problem starts at the border. Close it off and then work towards a solution for the ones already in the country. ETA: most of the ag. workers are Mexican born. The current 8 million illegal immigrants that Biden has let into the country are from myriad nations, a minority from Mexico. They aren't happily harvesting for US farms- they are heading for cities, disrupting life for the residents, using/abusing social services meant for Americans and legal residents, shooting at cops, etc. These are NOT your father's generation farm labor.

Your first article talks about the minimum wage, not what you claimed as the "minimum LIVING wage". They are different. And in any case, the actual minimum wage is $0.00. That is what workers get paid when they price themselves out of the job market. As to your Slate article, it is 17 years old! Oh, and does not differentiate between legal immigrants and illegal. Also talks about visa programs for various industries, which I support and also have nothing to do with illegal immigration. Oh, and it is Slate, a far left slanted website. Other than that, great article.

Cool, now we are getting somewhere. Could you explain what you mean by a "living minimum wage"? Kind of important if we want to move forward. Otherwise, it is just another meaningless platitude. I don't blame immigrants for anything at all. My wife was/is an immigrant to my country. Took almost a year to get the paperwork done, fees etc. Immigrants are great. However...... illegal immigrants are not. Immigration policy needs to take into account the present and future needs of the country. The days of the happy brown people picking lettuce in California are almost over. Today's illegal immigrants are the Hispanic kids in New York, who beat up cops and SHOOT at them when they are busted robbing a store. ETA: still waiting to hear your comprehensive list of jobs that "Americans won't do".

You don't learn about history by hiding it or destroying it. How was Penn's statue praising atrocities exactly? He was, like many historical figures, a complicated and flawed person. Looking at the past through 21st century social justice glasses is childish and ridiculous. A statue of Teddy Roosevelt was removed from the Museum of Natural History in New York, for God's sake.

Not this tired old shibboleth again. There is no such thing as work Americans dont want to do. There IS work that Americans won't do for the wages that an illegal immigrant would accept. The majority of farm labour and food processing jobs are still held by Americans and legal residents. More than 90% of hospitality workers are the same. 80% in construction, as well as housekeeping/maid jobs. So what are the jobs that Americans aren't doing again? https://www.americanprogress.org/press/release-millions-undocumented-immigrants-essential-americas-recovery-new-report-shows/

This would be the smart play for the Democrats. I think Newsome would probably win against Trump. Harris? Dont think so. They might have Joe stumble along until the Democratic National Convention in August. Then, instead of accepting the nomination, he would simply step aside for Harris. It would be far too late for another candidate to be selected or any kind of contest. So Kamala gets coronated and the SJW side of the party is assuaged.

Not to mention that Harris was picked purely on the basis of her genitalia and her melanin. Biden paying a favour back to James Clyburn.

No argument there, not a fan of either member. But I'm not sure why you are mentioning them as they are not in the same category as a sitting vice President. Both parties have their share of whackjobs. And Michelle won't run. Is she the only possible option other than Harris if Biden steps aside? I gave you a list of 5 successful governors who could easily step up to the plate. You counter with a first lady with zero political experience. If that is the best hope for the Democrats, they better start heavy prayer sessions for Joe's health.

Misogyny? Where would you pull that from? I don't like her because she is shallow, fake, incompetent, and in way over her head. For the GOP, I would prefer Governors Noem or DeSantis or Reynolds or even former governor Christie. Haley would not be too bad, although I am not a fan of her neo-con roots. My question was: who else could the Democrats realistically nominate other than Harris, if something were to happen to Biden? Or do you think she would be just jim dandy as the Democratic candidate?

So, basically, we can encapsulate the report as follows: they both screwed the pooch. Trump out of hubris and arrogance, Biden out of senility and age. Can I be a Special Prosecutor now?

To an extent, you are right. Both are somewhat stuck with the nominees that are now available. Difference being that the GOP has a deep bench to turn to, if Trump either gets imprisoned or incapacitated. Any number of viable alternatives who are capable of leading. The Democrats? Let's say that the same happens to Biden, either his age finally catches up or he steps down. Who do they have other than the execrable Kamala Harris? She would be an unmitigated disaster as a nominee and also, God forbid, as President. Some are speculating that Biden is holding on until after he (possibly) wins the election, then can step down early in his term. Again, a disaster for the United States and something that voters really need to consider.

Probably true. Plus the Democrats are trapped. If they whack Biden as the nominee, they pretty much have to choose VP Harris to replace him. And that is NOT a winning prospect in November. She is one of the few politicians whose favorability rating is even lower than Biden. If the DO try to choose someone else, it had better not be a white man, or the SJW wing of the party will scream bloody murder. So, who does that leave?

Trump appointed, but working for Merrick Garland, Biden appointed. Do you think Garland (who is no dummy) would appoint a special prosecutor who would blade his boss?

I dont think the vast majority of the Jan 6 rioters had the intellectual horsepower to attempt anything so complicated. They were just venting their frustration at losing and got caught up in the moment. Hence their lack of preparation, guns, etc. They had exactly zero chance of doing anything other than being a nuisance. The street protests actually WERE an attempt to disrupt government, albeit at the local level. Police were targeted, municipal property destroyed, etc. IMHO far more serious and dangerous than January 6, given the scale and destruction that happened. But that is a topic for another day.

Teacher teacher! I know this one! The "street protests" went on for months and resulted in dozens of deaths, hundreds of businesses burned, widespread looting, property damage in the billions, and carnage. The Jan 6 riot was over in hours with no loss of life other than an unarmed woman shot by a cop. And regrettable but minimal damage to the Capitol. Can I have a cookie now?

Yes we get it, "b-b-but Trump...." Fuel for another topic perhaps. Let's try to stay on this one rather than resurrecting mummies from the past.

And the media as usual are making the GOP reaction the story, rather than the story itself. You can check for yourself the usual headlines about "Republicans seize" or "Republicans pounce".... . You might think that the GOP spends a lot of its time sieiing and pouncing. Here they are seizing; https://www.axios.com/2024/02/08/trump-haley-biden-special-counsel-report and pouncing!